Bad Clients

[KITT]

I don't know what is going on lately, but I have been hearing more and more about clients running out without tipping and even some going as far as to assault a lady to get out without paying.

I had one of the latter last night. A guy came in with his buddy, who waited in the lobby. I had a pleasant session with him, but at the end, he tried to leave without paying. I was standing at the door of the room and asking for my tip when he actually backhanded me to get me out of the way and ran out....without his shoes!!
His friend was shocked..he stood up asking "Was that my friend?" That guy took off like lightning when he realized that his friend had just assaulted me, ripped me off, and ditched him there.
Just another reason for us ladies to get our tips up front.
This is for the ladies:
Native, 6'-6'2", 180-200 lbs, short black hair, goatee, well groomed, mid - late 20's, the small side of average"size," no piercings or noticeable tatoos, quiet demeanor.

I can honestly say that with being ripped off twice in the last couple of months and hearing about so many other ladies getting the same treatment lately, I will be getting my tips up front unless I know the gent.
Anybody else have thoughts on this?

 

[KITT]

LOL...the only reason that I mention the guys size is to belittle him in my own little world. Thanks for all the support. I hope nobody thinks I was just looking for a violin solo of "my heart weeps for you" The main reason I made the post is so that some of the other ladies will be aware of him and so that I could vent. I will definately be more carefull and listen to my gut when it comes to bad feelings about someone...but as much as I threaten to start taking tips up front, I know I will probably conduct myself in the usual way....Maybe I shouldn't be posting that...What the hell!! I trust you guys!!! Much Love!!

 

[girlguru]

On the other hand, there is an agency out there that does the exact same thing but obviously to their own advantage. The girl arrives at her call and recieves her 200 fee, asks to use the washroom and calls her office to give them the "ok" she was safe. But the agency will say if they arent getting more money at that point then she should somehow deek out quickly or trickily. In a way thats the same style of rip off as mentioned above and is not acceptable because it puts the next sp to see that guy at risk.

I was also wondering why on earth these girls have been taught to wait until the end to recieve some of their tips! That is totally backwards too!

 

[KITT]

oh yeah...I got a bruise here and ...over here...and a really sore spot down there.....and don't forget about these two spots here.....
I think I need sweet kisses allllll over!!!

 

[Rocky1]

Kitt, where the heck you working now hon? I don't get around as much as I would like and though you are on my "Hello" list, I'm not sure where I'm gonna find you. Point me please!

 

[Steve Ray]

We will just have to come and visit you more often so that we can make up for this guys behavior.

I have no problem with paying up front. It is really all the same to me.

 

[KITT]

UM....chocolate truffles work too.....

 

[eagle]

People like that should get their nuts cut off. There is just no excuse for idiotic behavior like that.

The problem with paying up front is the legal aspects of it. The moment money exchanged hands threre has been a transaction. Thus the law can easily prove that you were selling sex.

It is a little harder too prove it if the deed has already been done.

There is no law against selling sex in Canada. I can confess in front of a judge that I paid for the best BJ in the world and no law is broken.

To break a law as a client you must either

1. Communicate for the purpose in a PUBLIC PLACE ( inside a motor vehicle IS a public place

2. Be found in a common bawdy house ( essentially a brothel but some incall places could possibly qualify)

3. Procure for another person or be with someone underage.



Agencies on the other hand get issues about living off the avails etc.

Bottom line if you only hire escorts and only talk privately, you break no laws. Massage is somewhat riskier but it might be tough for LE to show a place is a common bawdy house. Street is riskiest of all ( in a lot of ways) BUT if you can get the lady to a private place BEFORE you begin any discussions of a sexual nature, you have not broken the law.


AS always , none of this means that law enforcement won't hassle you or try to embarrass you as a way to get you to testify against someone

 

[wolverine]

I think the MP breaks the bawdy house law only if the SP has to hand over part of her tips to the MP. By law, the MP can only collect the room fee. Or so I think. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[eagle]

I think the MP breaks the bawdy house law only if the SP has to hand over part of her tips to the MP. By law, the MP can only collect the room fee. Or so I think. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Don't know-- that might be the case but the definition in the criminal code seems to indicate that any place where prostituton occurrs regularly might qualify-- I just know that I would not be comfortable that I am complying with the law if I was at a massage place. The safest legally is your own hotel room.

The exerpts below are copied directly from the CRiminal Code



"common bawdy-house" means a place that is

(a) kept or occupied, or

(b) resorted to by one or more persons

for the purpose of prostitution or the practice of acts of indecency;


Bawdy-houses

Keeping common bawdy-house
210. (1) Every one who keeps a common bawdy-house is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years.

Landlord, inmate, etc.
(2) Every one who

(a) is an inmate of a common bawdy-house,

(b) is found, without lawful excuse, in a common bawdy-house, or

(c) as owner, landlord, lessor, tenant, occupier, agent or otherwise having charge or control of any place, knowingly permits the place or any part thereof to be let or used for the purposes of a common bawdy-house,

is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Transporting person to bawdy-house
211. Every one who knowingly takes, transports, directs, or offers to take, transport or direct, any other person to a common bawdy-house is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

 

[girlguru]

There are several agencies and I am sure mp's that require the ladies to give up a percentage of their tips. This makes no sense and from a mans point of view it sure doesn't encourage a guy to tip. A tip is generally for outstanding service not for the owner of the agency to claim part of it-thats absurd. The only real thing that the agency does is the initial phone correspondence but really nothing more. So why do they think they are entitled to the girls tips?

 

[littlejonny]

Unfortunately, they must have taken a lesson from most of the restuarants and bars. The staff usually have to give up some of their tips to management, etc. Don't go thinking that I'm condoning it for either them or mps/agencies, it's just something that happens.

 

[wolverine]

The only real thing that the agency does is the initial phone correspondence but really nothing more. So why do they think they are entitled to the girls tips?

Just to play devil's advocate...because the agency is also putting in the time, money and effort in promoting and marketing you instead of having you to do it yourself? Again, not that I condone it, but just looking at things from a purely business perspective. I'm not even sure if the MPs and agencies pay a salary or not. I would assume so just for the sake of legality, even if it's just minimum wage.

 

[BS Detector]

I will be getting my tips up front unless I know the gent.
Anybody else have thoughts on this?

Can't blame you a bit sweetie. Hope you're OK. I know a lot of guys complain about that here but you are not left with much choice.

 

[BS Detector]

That's one less thing for me to forget in my after-session daze.

Yeah...That too!!!

 

[Melanie]

Kitt if it's any consolation I always take my tips up front now the studio I was working at (no names mentioned) had a policy if you were ripped off it was your problem and you still had to pay out the company for the client. It seems there has been quite a rise of guys willing to take the service and skip out on the bill. I for one had a client about 3 weeks ago who I had seen and collected the money up front a few times. Since we had seen each other before and I was comfortable with him I did not take the money up front on his last visit. Needless to say he skipped out, it's not the money that necessarily offends me it's the breach of trust. I liked this client I had thought we had fun together and now I have to sit back and doubt myself and my ability. Not sure if his mo is to gain the ladies trust and rip off or if I did something really bad or my service wasn't up to par and he felt he shouldn't have to pay. Who knows? I certainly don't.

I guess what I'm trying to say is thank-you for the descriptions of the guy who did this to you it could help many other girls and should be common practice when one of us gets ripped off so I'll follow suit. The client that ripped my off was about 5'6" dirty blonde/brownish hair with a gotee (sp?) late 30's. He's originally from Winnipeg and talks incesantly about his polish girlfriend who still lives there and he visits often. He also thinks he's some kinda good country singer and more then likely will sing for you......hate to say it but that was by far the worst part of any of the sessions he really couldn't sing. He's nothing more the a nr (my favorite kind of session) because of his girlfriend or so he says. Anyways ladies beware of this guys he's a smooth talker. Hope this helps getting more of these scums out of the studios that think us women are there just for funsies and not for a living...although the fun is the best bonus

Thx for letting me vent, Mel

 

[wolverine]

He also thinks he's some kinda good country singer and more then likely will sing for you......hate to say it but that was by far the worst part of any of the sessions he really couldn't sing.

"Mah girl done left me, and mah four dawgs just died/Ah crashed mah truck and mah trailer burnt down/Ah need me some lovin/And ah'm willin' ta pay"

 

[Melanie]

"Mah girl done left me, and mah four dawgs just died/Ah crashed mah truck and mah trailer burnt down/Ah need me some lovin/And ah'm willin' ta pay"

lol Now that's not nice, funny but not nice. I was honestly just letting everyone know so they could identify him..............honest

 

[Melanie]

On the other hand, if a guy is willing to hit a woman what makes anyone think he wouldn't do so to get his money back?

That's what makes it scary I would hate to think that any man would go to that extreme but I have heard of it happening. Mine was clever he used the "I left my wallet in the truck" routine(never knew it was a routine until I found out how common it was). Sacry thing is he asked me to come to the truck with him to get the cash and I remember actually saying to him no it's too cold out I trust that you'll be back. If he had no intention of paying me in the first place my mind can't not wonder what could've or would've happened if I had gone to the vehicle with him

 

[BS Detector]

Scary thing is he asked me to come to the truck with him to get the cash and I remember actually saying to him no it's too cold out I trust that you'll be back. If he had no intention of paying me in the first place my mind can't not wonder what could've or would've happened if I had gone to the vehicle with him

So glad you didn't go sweetie. Another word of caution!!! Heard of a guy within the last couple of years that watched ladies coming out of the studio and followed one home. Get into the habit to see if you're being followed and take some weird ways home to make sure. Take a couple of side street with little or no traffic and see if you are being followed. If so, might be an idea to let him follow you right to a cop shop. People are getting weirder and weirder by the day it seems and you ladies can not be too careful.