Attawapiskat - Canadas Great Shame

vancity_cowboy · Dec 13, 2011

WrongMan said:
You need a long-term plan that include job training. You need the Feds, Provinces, city and Aboriginal leaders to sit down and develop an plan.

but the feds, provinces, city and aboriginal leaders have been having a go at it since european contact - and together they've managed to royally fuck it up. only in cases where industry has a stake in the area, and then only since the relatively recent supreme court decisions, have you had truly effective and meaningful first nations job creation and training. it can be done, but at a cost, and it can be done relatively quickly too, but only if industry gets behind it. as for aforementioned beaurocrats, if it was left up to them, the first nations would simply dissappear in another 100 years or so. however, the beaurocracies would damn sure carry on forever...

DavidMR · Dec 13, 2011

alinburnaby said:
Just as Charlie Angus the NDP MP for Attawaspiskat since 2004 didn't make a peep about anything other than the school (can you say teacher's union?), Charlie Angus won't make a peep about Attawaspiskat in a few weeks.

That's not the case at all, that's just what Minister Duncan is saying. Al, I am surprised you would lower yourself to repeating a phoney Tory boilerroom talking point. Do you get daily feeds from HQ? And the bit about the teacher's union? Wow. That's really way below what I expect from you.

DavidMR · Dec 13, 2011

alinburnaby said:
Hansard isn't that hard to read. Try it. Or even better, ask Theresa Spence how often Charlie Angus visited Attawaspiskat before she made this an issue that he could arrange a media opportunity for.

And you have that direct from Theresa Spence, right? So that's why Angus and Turmel visited Attawapiskat, but not Duncan, because it's just a photo op. But if Duncan goes there on a ministerial jet, that will be government business, not a photo op, right?

DavidMR · Dec 13, 2011

DavidMR · Dec 14, 2011

alinburnaby said:
Every single one is about the school. I've indicated numerous times that Charlie Angus has been working on building the school.

Let's see if you can dig up something in Hansard that isn't about the school, but instead, deals with the sewage system, water system or housing. I couldn't find any before Chief Spence declared an emergency. Which is why I stand by my statement that Charlie Angus's only concern was about the school.

Most are about the school but others are more general, as you know. I think you had better check back with HQ on this one, you're sounding pretty lame suggesting that because his earlier statements highlighted the school that somehow he was failing on raising the issue of housing.

Here's a couple of articles from the media:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentis...rd-world-first-nation-attawapiskat?CMP=twt_gu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=w1iHT1TaiNI

huggzy · Dec 14, 2011

Tugela said:
What they need is a sustainable economy, and they pretty clearly don't have an economy at all, all of it is basically handouts. Their members that do generate income move off reservation so they don't have to contribute (but, of course, still keep all the benefits that comes with status), so it ends up that the only people contributing are the Canadian taxpayers, basically forever. Their own people don't care, so why should we? They need to get their act together and take care of this stuff themselves, like every other Canadian. Failing that, if they can't support themselves in the environement, they need to move somewhere where they can do that.

When you read this story it is all about what other people are not doing, but what is glaringly absent is what THEY are doing about it. I don't have a problem with government stepping in and helping out a community in an emergency. It is when that emergency is a permanent state of affairs and the community itself is doing nothing about it except casting doefull eyes, that is when I have a problem. I have no sympathy with these folk. They need to move, and that is that.

You seem to neglect the fact that the Canadian government has a legal obligation to provide this support. They are called treaties, which Canada has profited immensely from.

dabears · Dec 16, 2011

There are often more to the stories we hear through the Toronto media

This has been in the news lately as a hard luck story about the natives. This guy is reporting the facts!
At last someone tells the truth!
Have a listen. It takes a bit of time, but this guy is good.
Wow...pretty much sums up everything we already know.....corruption from the top to the top and the victims are everyone below them

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/1305119208001#.Tt0NcPwZ_WJ.facebook

Fudd · Dec 18, 2011

It makes me sick that poeple are blaming the First Nations people for there conditions. And those asshole politicians are not making things any better with there pissing contest. In the end it about the kids. These poor kids don't care who the fuck is to blame all they want is a decent home and school with heating and clean water. Can we put aside all the shit and do something about it?

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