Asian women as trophy wives

[sevenofnine]

funny i had a conversation with a guy today about trophy wifes

he is chinese i didn't want to appear racist or just stupid,
so this is him talking a chinese guy ok

he said when you marry out side your race,
white guys or women are trophys
don't really have an opinion why other races would seem to think if your going to marry out side your race white is best

i just happen to be born white what the fuck do i know.
and well some races are really frowned upon,
i mean if your a white guy or a normal guy marrying out side your race this is like the last race you would marry into,
and that would be filipino
or native america
indian or pakastan

its funny white guys or people get all the shit for being racist,
talk to some non white guy about race, and get his thoughts and well there more racist then most white guys i come across.

 

[Ms. Yoko Anna]

It seems to me that it's kind of awkward that I don't jump in the thread, but I don't know what to say.
In either way, I think whatever I say can be controversial.

I can agree for what some men said in the show (sure, we are little and may appear to be safer), and the discourse of trophy wife actually does not offend me much. I don't think many Asian women will be hissy to be called trophy wife either.

Though I do get the yellow fever may come across superficial to feminist thinkers.

I do get the logic of femist; however, the fact white people get angry about Asian girls are seen to be trophy wife sounds a bit postcolonial to me as well. I feel the same feeling to white people (over)react on brack slavery and west coast hippies have "Free Tibet" bumper sticker. If we don't like the fact men see Asian girls as trophy, we will give men a big middle fingers.

You should also take it into consideration that Asian girls see white men as trophy, like Emmy casually mentioned.
Otherwise, there won't be that many of white men/Asian women couple. My friend did some interesting paper on it, and she analyzed the trend from politico-historical aspects as well as cultural. It was not just Asian women being skinny and cute in "exotic" way.

I would like to ask this question.
Why there are not many white women/Asian men couple much?

(I must say, though, I appreciate white men for trimming the area well compared to some Asian born Asian men who don't trim their straight hair down there. It is super ticklly when I go down on them)

 

[87112]

A lot of Asian men dont really want to chase white women because well this is North America and I'm in the States and a lot tend to be BIG with tats and smoking. The good old fashioned white women you know the kind to take home to mom are gone by age 23-25 so the pickings are slim. So if you dont find a good white women in their early 20s you will probably only see ones with tons of baggage and tatoos with ex lovers name on their backs etc. That is the sad truth.

 

[jesuschrist]

don't really have an opinion why other races would seem to think if your going to marry out side your race white is best

It is incredible that anyone could have no idea why others would find marrying into white would be best.

Look at the way the whole world is structured. Most history is European history. Most television is western television. Almost all the big named companies in the world are western. Most female models are white. Most successful men are white. Do I need to go on??

If these little facts didn't smash you in the head the minute you asked the question to yourself, hopefully preventing you from uttering it, then it is endemic of exactly the kind of thing I've always said is the challenge of being white: most of the world was built to your culture and your values, that is why you don't really understand what racism is. That is why you think the playing field is level, so you will say things like, "talk to some non white guy about race, and get his thoughts and well there more racist then most white guys i come across" - although facts are in the trees, you can't see the forest where the real truth lies.

 

[jesuschrist]

I would like to ask this question.
Why there are not many white women/Asian men couple much?

My opinion is that for many women, marriage is a means to move upward in the socio-economic status. By the same token, historically many disaffected white men look outside their own culture for spouses when for socio-economic reasons they have failed in their own society - ie: no reasonably attractive white woman would have him because he is a loser, so he goes looking abroad in another culture where the foreign woman would really have no idea what a loser he is. So asian men are not traditionally seen as a move up the social-economic ladder for white women. The only other factor in all this is why an asian man would not prefer a white woman.... or for that matter, why any non-white man would not prefer a white woman - and the reason is because women are historically seen as forebears of their culture, literally preserving it for his home and comfort, safeguarding his values as his life is oriented towards work outside the home and possibly abroad. Marrying a white woman would be turning away from his traditional values and worse yet, the discarding of them forever through offspring who will be under her as primary caregiver. His children will identify as white, and he loses his culture that way.

 

[sevenofnine]

supposedly you marry for love and some one to grow old with, and to have children with, and have a long and happy life

i find it incrediable that you would even think of race when it comes to love or having children

i find it incrediable that your not happy with who you are and what you are, and that you would envy anyone

i mean i came from the wrong side of the tracks i would be just white trash.
or could be,

i find it funny and incrediable that you don't learn to love yourself whoever you are and learn and grow, and envy no one.

like i said im white what the hell do i know
but i was born white trash, and well sixty years latter im not, and im jealous or envious of no one.
regardless of who you are, you are equal to all,
if you don't understand that

i find that incrdiable

 

[Flanders]

WTF?
Jebus! I thought you were White! What the Hell?????

It is incredible that anyone could have no idea why others would find marrying into white would be best.

Look at the way the whole world is structured. Most history is European history. Most television is western television. Almost all the big named companies in the world are western. Most female models are white. Most successful men are white. Do I need to go on??

If these little facts didn't smash you in the head the minute you asked the question to yourself, hopefully preventing you from uttering it, then it is endemic of exactly the kind of thing I've always said is the challenge of being white: most of the world was built to your culture and your values, that is why you don't really understand what racism is. That is why you think the playing field is level, so you will say things like, "talk to some non white guy about race, and get his thoughts and well there more racist then most white guys i come across" - although facts are in the trees, you can't see the forest where the real truth lies.

 

[jesuschrist]

i was born white trash

Sorry to hear you call yourself that, but I fucking hate that word.

 

[jesuschrist]

WTF?
Jebus! I thought you were White! What the Hell?????

See isn't that incredible. I am brown, a fucking Semite, but in all the pictures I have nearly blonde hair and definitely blue eyes. They got my skin colour wrong, they got my hair wrong, they got my eye colour wrong. I have a big nose, lots of black body hair, big dark eye brows,

and I look nothing like this man:

and I look more like this man:

 

[badbadboy]

I know a number of white / asian couples and although I wouldn't call the spouses "trophy wives" they definitely do make good couples. It does take two I suppose.

JC, seriously, Tyra Banks?

 

[Ms. Yoko Anna]

My opinion is that for many women, marriage is a means to move upward in the socio-economic status. By the same token, historically many disaffected white men look outside their own culture for spouses when for socio-economic reasons they have failed in their own society - ie: no reasonably attractive white woman would have him because he is a loser, so he goes looking abroad in another culture where the foreign woman would really have no idea what a loser he is. So asian men are not traditionally seen as a move up the social-economic ladder for white women.

That, I kinda disagree.
I don't think Asian women takes looser men because they don't know any better.
But, in my very biased observation, and sorry if this piss anyone here off, but Asian girls see men's value not in his social status only. We see the whole package. Even though the man has no wise life skill or social status, if the man has a nice heart, we will take care of them. We like taking care of men, feeding men, assisting men. Some western feminists may say it is because we never been given a different option in our culture, but I tend to think it is BS. Who don't want be taken cared of. Compassion is the best virtue for us.

I'm not trying to bash Western girls by putting Asian girls up.
Hey, I'm biased. And due to this trophy discourse, my business is fruitful in this industry.
But we are not looser taker. So-called loosers have disposition that we would love to polish.

 

[Flanders]

Huh...
King James is full of shit!

See isn't that incredible. I am brown, a fucking Semite, but in all the pictures I have nearly blonde hair and definitely blue eyes. They got my skin colour wrong, they got my hair wrong, they got my eye colour wrong. I have a big nose, lots of black body hair, big dark eye brows,

and I look nothing like this man:

and I look more like this man:

 

[InnocentBoy]

The first biggest stumping block is physically. White guy (bigger in size) asian female (smaller size). Looks right feels right.
White girl (bigger in size) asian guy ( smaller in size) So while some girls dont mind smaller men, doesn't that defeat the purpose of getting a traditional man who is physically bigger and can protect her?

 

[lenny]

A few snips from the opinion "Asian Trophy Wives" & readers comments:

"Young Western women, today, are more likely to be grossed out by the idea of having sex with a withered old man. Marrying a man for his money has become less socially acceptable than it used to be. This is especially true among smarter, college-educated, upper middle class women. A rich man who wants a young white trophy wife may have to settle for a slutty prole white woman.

"So I think that this phenomenon (if it really is a phenomenon and not something the author made up in order to write an article about something) is a result of Asian women not being as grossed out by old men because Asian culture is a generation or so behind Western culture. The author of the article mentions how the Asian trophy wives are well educated with good careers—that’s the type of white woman who is least likely to be interested in being some old man's trophy wife.

"...Lee writes in a comment:


"In addition to white men conquering our lands in East Asia by stealing our gunpowder invention, now they're stealing our women. This is why a lot of Asian men are bitter, because or your imperialistic past and taking things from our lands, and now you're taking over women? Another reason why we're bitter is because while you white guys with yellow fever can get Asian girls, we can't get white girls in return because of all the stereotypes you white guys created to "disenfranchise" us of all women.

"...Roissy, who is an expert on women, writes in his blog:


"It’s now my belief that most white women harbor a deep distrust, even jealousy, for Asian women. They see the Asian girl, like they see foreign women fresh off the boat, as competitors for the white men they have come to expect will bow and scrape before their precious white American vaginas. This jealousy contrasts sharply with the indifference they feel towards black and latino women taking their white men.

"...Also, might the asian cultures revere the elderly, as opposed to our youth-obsessed culture?

"...Do you think that the men listed in the article couldn't have their choice of glamorous white gold diggers, actresses or models? Surely they could have.

"They probably chose Asian women because they are less neurotic than white american women, harder working and smarter to boot. As a HBD embracing blogger you should know that Asians have higher IQs on average than whites and that overseas Chinese have IQs on average that approach or equal those of Ashkenazis.

"...I lived in Japan for 10 years. All of the white guys living there have the "Asian fetish". I was one of the few that did not have the Asian fetish and still ended up married to a Japanese lady. Generally my marriage is good. Asian women are easier to get along with than women of other races (including white) because they do not "shit test" you or do any of the other socio-biologically based BS that women of other races like to do so much. East Asian women, on average, are more intelligent than the women of other races as well.


http://www.halfsigma.com/2009/08/asian-trophy-wives.html

 

[87112]

I dont buy into this White man has more money shit. Every go into a payday loan place. You can a lot of White people. How many Hong Kong or Japanese or Korean people do you see in Payday loan places and pawn shops?

 

[jesuschrist]

That, I kinda disagree.
I don't think Asian women takes looser men because they don't know any better.

Maybe not university educated asian women, and certainly you don't. We see a lot of university educated women from China, Korea and Japan do what we would expect to observe - as they become empowered by education, so does their economic status, and they seek partners who are also highly educated and perhaps more upwardly mobile economically. But what I was saying was not from the perspective of the asian woman so much as the perspective from the white man - he goes abroad to find a foreign woman because in those foreign countries, his loser status is reset.... and on foreign soil, being white is typically seen as having higher status - so not only does he shed his old loser status but automatically gains one being white - and the foreign woman, typically uneducated and working 80 hours a week, sees him as both a gain in social status, a gain economically, and maybe even a ticket out of her country and into the west.

But, in my very biased observation, and sorry if this piss anyone here off, but Asian girls see men's value not in his social status only. We see the whole package. Even though the man has no wise life skill or social status, if the man has a nice heart, we will take care of them. We like taking care of men, feeding men, assisting men. Some western feminists may say it is because we never been given a different option in our culture, but I tend to think it is BS. Who don't want be taken cared of. Compassion is the best virtue for us.

As I understand it, this is a virtue of women from Japan. Less so of Korea and even less so of China. China, in particular, is beset by economic hardship and fierce competition for resources. Chinese women, in my opinion, are far less impressed by compassion for the man as they are what a man can do to provide for the family. As for western feminists, who are curiously beset by the same arrogance that plagues westerners in general and western men alike; they believe they know all about the foreign culture, and can thus opine that "the coloured woman was never given a different option in their culture" and other such patronizing ideas. Feminism is not universal, and asian women must have their own brand of feminism rather than take the one given by western women rammed down their throats.

I'm not trying to bash Western girls by putting Asian girls up.
Hey, I'm biased. And due to this trophy discourse, my business is fruitful in this industry.
But we are not looser taker. So-called loosers have disposition that we would love to polish.

Well then you must see a market left wide open by western women that an asian woman can exploit. Isn't that what it is?

 

[jesuschrist]

I dont buy into this White man has more money shit. Every go into a payday loan place. You can a lot of White people. How many Hong Kong or Japanese or Korean people do you see in Payday loan places and pawn shops?

Because they aren't allowed to be given loans there

 

[Trus'Me]

I spent a couple years in Beijing and slutted it up as a white trophy bf. Fucking awesome. I went from a skinny geek in Vancouver that was laughed at by the Witches of East Van to Brad fucking Pitt. It's no joke over there. Chinese artists, musicians, and writers... fashion designers, retail entrepeneurs, and government diplomats (expats) etc... powerful, wealthy and single 30 something Chinese women that treated me like a princess and I seriously dont understand why the fuck I'm back in Van. (well, BC is a much better place to live)

Sugar momma's. Mature. Horny. Intellectual... and yes, will dump you on your ass in a moments notice.

 

[Trus'Me]

I have to add that my heart got broken. Never have I encountered such cold dismissal. Cold as ice. I'd do it all over again though.

 

[Red Ryder]

Oh, for christ's sake...

Yes because as a concept asian trophy wives is offensive. As are trophy white men. Or trophy black men. Or trophy blonde women.

People choosing others based on servitude, wealth, power, status, etc. is plain offensive. Don't tell me you aren't offended when you hear women only preferring men for their money or status.

...could you lighten up just a bit - Jeezuz. We get it - you're a real PC renaissance guy.
I will, no doubt, offend you in saying that I love it that women prefer me for my wealth and status! (combined with being considered a "nice guy", gray hair and all) It took me quite a while to get here, relaxed, confident and secure.

When it comes to taking offence, to paraphrase that old adage, I wish one could take more real offence at the situations that are worthwhile getting offended about, and less imaginary offence at trifles and distractions. It's actually offensive to see someone going so far in seeking out or inventing offence in order to nurture self-righteousness, perpetuate a narrative of victimhood, create a crutch for low self-esteem or as a sop to revisionist history and post-colonial guilt.

Serious prejudice is wholly unacceptable and should never be tolerated. However, pehaps one might consider focusing more angst, energy and attention on the really offensive culturally, racially or religiously insensitive and demeaning attitudes or prejudices. Then one would be in a much stronger position - both intellectually and socially - to protest the truly offensive conditions.
-Red