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Science? You lose 44,000 nerve endings and about 15 square inches of skin (when unfolded) in a circumcision. Of COURSE there's going to be a difference in sensation - unless you want to argue that 44,000 nerve endings do nothing and are there for shits and giggles. But when it happens at birth you don't know the difference, aside from . Much like being born without a toe, or something else that isn't life shattering missing, you know it probably is better to have one but your life is still pretty damn awesome so why mourn?

Generally the only people who get upset over this topic are the ones who have problems as a result - and rightfully so. It's your sex organ and a cosmetic change. I'm not sure why two people you'll (hopefully) never have sex with make the decision for you (and your future partners) sexual function/pleasure. Most people aren't done for religion so that's usually not the reason. It all started with masturbation but you think we'd see through all of that by now, and know it's not ACTUALLY cleaner because 85% of the world is intact and no one's dick has fallen off yet!
so if you lose 44,000 nerve endings, it isn't just cosmetic, is it? it can't be both

you know, stroke victims lose entire parts of their brains, so if you want to talk about nerve endings we're probably talking about MILLIONS of nerve endings. but many of those victims recover their full facilities due to their brains re-routing impulses through different sets of nerves. the nervous system does some strange things, like amputees feeling sensations from their lost limbs, so don't presume that 'lost nerve endings' equal lost sensation

just saying... :)
 

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so if you lose 44,000 nerve endings, it isn't just cosmetic, is it? it can't be both

you know, stroke victims lose entire parts of their brains, so if you want to talk about nerve endings we're probably talking about MILLIONS of nerve endings. but many of those victims recover their full facilities due to their brains re-routing impulses through different sets of nerves. the nervous system does some strange things, like amputees feeling sensations from their lost limbs, so don't presume that 'lost nerve endings' equal lost sensation

just saying... :)
So you're saying you're circumcised?
 

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So you're saying you're circumcised?
i'm not saying one or the other - i'm just trying to comment logically in a thread that is rapidly degenerating into a pissing contest over who gets the most enjoyment... cut or uncut. imho, there are so many other factors that influence the level of enjoyment achieved, like upbringing, expectations, feelings of guilt, attitude to women, physical health, levels of experience, skill at choosing partners that match your expected level of enjoyment, etc. that whether you're cut or not doesn't even enter into the 'sensation equation'
 

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i'm not saying one or the other - i'm just trying to comment logically in a thread that is rapidly degenerating into a pissing contest over who gets the most enjoyment... cut or uncut. imho, there are so many other factors that influence the level of enjoyment achieved, like upbringing, expectations, feelings of guilt, attitude to women, physical health, levels of experience, skill at choosing partners that match your expected level of enjoyment, etc. that whether you're cut or not doesn't even enter into the 'sensation equation'
If you were uncut then you could go and get cut and find out for sure though... If you're cut you could go get the penis protector thing and find out that way. I think all anyone is saying is that if all other factors are equal then the uncut penis will be more sensitive...
 

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Science? Here ya go...

http://www.foreskinfunctions.com/

Other facts. Not from the above link

Circumcision and sexuality
Sigmund Freud (1920) asserted that circumcision was a substitute for castration, suggesting a possible connection between castration fears, neuroses, and circumcision. Documented cases exist of circumcision resulting in a life-impairing level of castration anxiety (Ozturk, 1973). More recently, Immerman and Mackey (1998) described circumcision as "low-grade neurological castration." They argued that the resultant glans keratinisation and neurological atrophy of sexual brain circuitry (due to loss of sensory input to the brain's pleasure centre) may serve as a social control mechanism which produces a male who is less sexually excitable and therefore more amenable to social conditioning.

Indeed, for centuries, circumcision has been used as a strategy to reduce sexual gratification (Maimónides, 1963, p. 609). According to Saperstein (1980), quoting Rabbi Isaac Ben Yedaiah, as well as the empirical findings of Bensley and Boyle (2001), and O'Hara and O'Hara (1999), heterosexual intercourse is less satisfying for both partners when the man is circumcised. Due to the neurological injury caused by circumcision, and the resultant reduction of sensory feedback (Immerman & Mackey, 1998), it is highly likely that circumcision may promote sexual dysfunction such as premature ejaculation, and consequently, also the reduction of female sexual pleasure (cf. Money & Davison, 1983). The possible deleterious effects on social and marital relationships (cf. Hughes, 1990) may be considerable, especially in countries where most men have been circumcised.

Structural Changes
Among the structural changes circumcised men may have to live with are surgical complications such as skin tags, In addition, Immerman and Mackey (1998) and Prescott (1989) postulated that severing of erogenous sensory nerve endings in the foreskin during infancy leads to atrophy of non-stimulated neurons in the brain's pleasure centre during the critical developmental period.

Gemmell and Boyle (2001) surveyed 162 self-selected men (121 circumcised; 41 intact) and found that circumcised men reported significantly less penile sensation as compared with genitally intact men. Participants rated their current level of penile sensation (on a scale from 1 to 10) as compared with that experienced at age 18 years (allocated 10 out of 10). Circumcised men complained significantly more often than did genitally intact men of a progressive decline in penile sensation throughout their adult years--presumably due to increasing keratinisation of the exposed glans and inner foreskin remnant in circumcised men. Gemmell and Boyle also found that a significantly higher proportion of circumcised as compared with intact men reported bowing or curvature of the penis (also reported by Lawrence, 1997), shaft skin uncomfortably/painfully tight when erect, and scars/damage to the penis. Although the frenulum was reported as an area of heightened erogenous sensitivity, in the typical circumcised male, either no frenulum remains or only a small severely damaged remnant exists. The complex innervation of the foreskin and frenulum has been well-documented (Cold & McGrath, 1999; Cold & Taylor, 1999; Fleiss, 1997; Taylor et al., 1996), and the genitally intact male has thousands of fine touch receptors and other highly erogenous nerve endings--many of which are lost to circumcision, with an inevitable reduction in sexual sensation experienced by circumcised males (Immerman & Mackey, 1998; O'Hara & O'Hara, 1999).

So.... snip the skin off, and you might get the pleasure of having skin tags, penile curvature due to uneven foreskin removal, pitted glans, partial glans ablation, prominent/jagged scarring, amputation neuromas, fistulas, severely damaged frenulum, meatal stenosis, and excessive keratinisation. I guess it's 6 of one, half dozen of another huh?
Are uncut guys bigger?

That depends on a mans genes and family backround
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Actually uncircumcised penises do tend to be bigger. Some people dispute this, but there is a lot of evidence and studies to back it up.
An Australian survey in 1995 showed circumcised men to have erect penises an average of 8mm shorter than intact men.
[1. R. D. Talarico and J. E. Jasaitis, "Concealed Penis: A Complication of Neonatal Circumcision," Journal of Urology 110 (1973): 732-733. 2. Richters J, Gerofi J, Donovan B. Why do condoms break or slip off in use? An exploratory study. Int J STD AIDS. 1995; 6(1):11-8. ]
That 8mm is about a third of an inch, but I know I've seen other places where studies showed it could be as much as 3/4 inch difference between cut and uncut penises. I couldn't find that just now though.
It may be because of the interruption in blood flow the penis experiences after circumcision. It's known that circumcision changes the blood flow, and it's also well known that changing the flow of blood to something can affect its development. Some doctors use this deliberately to block arteries supplying blood to tumers to make them shrink. So why do people have such a hard time accepting that circumcision does this to the penis?
Several feet of blood vessels, including the frenular artery and branches of the dorsal artery are removed in circumcision. This loss of the rich vascularity interrupts normal flow to the shaft and glans of the penis, damaging the natural function of the penis and altering its development. [1. H. C. Bazett et al., "Depth, Distribution and Probable Identification in the Prepuce of Sensory End-Organs Concerned in Sensations of Temperature and Touch; Thermometric Conductivity," Archives of Neurology and Psychiatry 27 (1932): 489-517.� 2. Netter, F.H., "Atlas of Human Anatomy," Second Edition (Novartis, 1997): plates 238, 239.]

ooooh , a whole 8mm :rolleyes:
 

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Well, there is no doubt that a cut penis has less sensitivity than a uncut penis.

Just ask John Bobbitt.............He had his penis cut in 1993 by his wife Lorena, and according to him, even after 20 years, he still only has about 5% of the sensitivity he used to have before he got cut........................I rest my case.:)
 

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If you were uncut then you could go and get cut and find out for sure though... If you're cut you could go get the penis protector thing and find out that way. I think all anyone is saying is that if all other factors are equal then the uncut penis will be more sensitive...
and all i'm saying is that all other factors are NEVER equal - and that those factors have far more effect on the level of enjoyment than whether the practitioner is cut or uncut; that is, being cut or not has zero effect on enjoyment

and anybody that thinks walking around with yer cock wrapped in plastic 24-7 isn't going to create a whole host of its own health problems is just simply dreaming in technicolour

lol on john bobbitt btw :D
 

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and all i'm saying is that all other factors are NEVER equal - and that those factors have far more effect on the level of enjoyment than whether the practitioner is cut or uncut; that is, being cut or not has zero effect on enjoyment

and anybody that thinks walking around with yer cock wrapped in plastic 24-7 isn't going to create a whole host of its own health problems is just simply dreaming in technicolour
Uhm, okay that pretty much sounds like the siren song of a dude that is cut trying to convince himself he's not missing out on anything...
 

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been thinking about this for a while!
for the life of me i cannot find where to buy on on that site?
 
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