Are you pooning less?

[Maury Beniowski]

What's happening to this hobby? Last summer, a noticeable decline began to be felt in this business. At first it seemed to be caused by a combination of too many business licenses issued by City Hall and the proliferation of illegal shops. But now that moratoriums are becoming the norm, the stagnation continues to persist. Many shops are reporting significant drops in business and most girls agree that unless they have a stable of regulars, they may as well find something else to do. Clients are either becoming more selective, or are demanding much lower prices than in previous years. What about you?

 

[Cock Throppled]

There are all kinds of reasons for the ups and downs - or in this case the ins and outs - of business cycles. It does seem odd that there is a downturn during what is generally seen as boom times locally. It may have something to do with a greater selection ( I doubt that other than when the city was first formed there has been such a proportion of women for rent), but it might also have to do with the fact there has been an apparent rise in rates from almost all circles. There does come a breaking point for consumers. While some might hold their clients during a price rise, others simply go elsewhere or go without.Just like that money lost to bars because there are no Canucks playoffs - those dollars will get spent, just somewhere else.

 

[old pooner]

I think the decrease for many SP's are some of the AMP's who are providing some pretty good service for much less money. Such as MM ($$.2) or Yumi ($$.6) who provide things such as CIM.

 

[Quarter Mile'r]

As one possible factor to this, a girl I have been seeing has gone the indy
route for just that reason, she said she worked in a "shop" and made
next to nothing. Now that she has gone independant her income has
increased substantially.

Like OP said with places like MM and Yumi for $.2 and $.6 it makes it
harder for a girl to charge more than that and expect to be busy.

There are so many possible factors for pooning down turn, just the
price of gas alone is a problem not to mention tax dollars have been
squeezed out of us as well this time of year.

............QM'r

 

[SugarSeed]

interesting trend

do you think that online porn might have had an impact ?

There is so much web porn now, a person could (not me, a friend) get a quick wank in once an hour, when the urge would normally send them out hunting and gathering for nooner pooner.

just a thought, not sure if true

I was about to post my own survey, and it`s related to this good question.

https://perb.cc probably helps more with "quality" and getting maximum bang for buck: ie: avoiding scams, avoiding .... wasting time and money on something not-quite-as advertised. My feeling (after lurking here) is that if anything, numbers are probably up for indie-girls offering a great GFE ... that guys don`t mind spending $$ or $$$ as long as the quality is there.

Guys will spend more, be it for a car or massage, as long as they feel the money (and time) invested pays off and they are not being given the bum`s rush, or hustled .... even if that is the case.

Perb allows for a certain aspect of "shopping"

The other thought I had was that even though MM offers `tongue bathing and rimming` I was wondering if cases of Hepatitis are on the rise as a result ... and that might take a few customers out of circulation. Any stats on health issues relating to impact on the `market` ?

 

[LonelyGhost]

let's see ... one-fifth of my 'income' goes to income taxes ... half of what's left goes to mortgage and property taxes ... then its food, hydro, sat tv, internet, phone, bc med, house, car, bike insurance, credit cards and a whopping $50 into my savings account!

so, yeah, i've cut back!

even if i cut out the 'luxuries' in my life, i would only be able to afford this hobby about once a month max.

but hey, the olympics are on the way and that will raise my standard of living and reap me billions in spin-offs and LOL ... yeah right.

 

[Damaged]

...how do you expect to do that making $50/ session?

$50 a session? I'd settle for $100 a session.

 

[afterplay]

do you think that online porn might have had an impact ?

There is so much web porn now, a person could (not me, a friend) get a quick wank in once an hour, when the urge would normally send them out hunting and gathering for nooner pooner.

Not with me. If anything, the prevalence of online porn makes me say "I think I need to get me one of those," and off to the ads and directories I go.

A quick wank is tolerable, and gets boring pretty quick. By the time I'm in a place where I'm looking to go pooning, masturbation serves only to allow me to keep my concentration long enough to actually finish deciding who I'd like to see.

It's like dining out - no matter how good a chef you are, sometimes it's nice to have someone bring you dinner.

 

[DDawGG]

As I said in a different thread, "A lady should charge as much as possible without pricing herself out of the market"

Ultimately I am in control of how much an SP makes from me.

Am I cheap?... no - however I have a pre determined price point and if an SP feels she is worth more than that by advertising a certain rate, she doesn't benefit from my business, I NEVER negotiate with her.

If business is down, it might be time to take a look at your pricing in the market place.

 

[richmann]

Ultimately I am in control of how much an SP makes from me.
Am I cheap?... no - however I have a pre determined price point and if an SP feels she is worth more than that by advertising a certain rate, she doesn't benefit from my business. If business is down, it might be time to take a look at your pricing in the market place.

Some good points.
It is the pooner that is in control of how much he thinks an SP is worth to him. Many SP's are pricing themselves above what most feel it is worth. It is not always whether or not I can afford something but whether or not I feel the service is worth the money. I could spend $300 on an SP but I just don't want to. So the 150 - $200 SP's get most of my business and there are lots of them out there.

As far as Amp's go, if they are down in business I would guess it tis because of the increase in numbers of them popping up in the last year. You can already see a downward trend in the pricing with more and more of them asking for a brown above the room fee.

RM

 

[gravitas]

Its all my fault....I retire and then like a group of lemmings everyone else follows Kidding of course.

On a more serious note, as CT mentioned, there are a number of reasons why people either curtail there PPF'ing or quit all together. Personally it wasn't all that complicated (i.e. getting a sig other and all the related bullshit) I had simply had enough. Physically I seem to be getting by just fine with the occasional rumpty bumpty with a fuk friend, casual pseudo anon hook up or by beating the bishop. While I didn't quit for financial reasons I can definitely see where I have more cash these days. Went from having a decent, but mostly static, cash balance to it growing quite nicely.

Do have to disagree with sugerseed's porn theory. If having access to either digital or traditional porn was a substitute for sex I'd never leave the fucking house. When I died all you find is a hollow shell of a man with his right hand still wrapped around his pecker and the DVD of "Anal Amatures volume #762" on auto-replay.

 

[gravitas]

start to get disgusted by the whole business

The only time I've ever been disgusted by my own choices was the one and only time I visited a micro. I couldn't help but feeling guilty that I was taking advantage of the woman given her surroundings (I've been in INS inspection rooms with more warmth and charm) and overall vibe of the place.

That said, I'm not even remotely judging any other PERBerts and where, why, how and who you choose to PPF. As long as he/she/it is a willing participant and over the age of 18 plug the meter and shag away.

I have been increasingly disappointed in the overall hobby as the more involved you get (in terms of non-sexual relationships) the less fun it becomes. I've seen a fair bit of decency but have seen more deceit, deception and pain.

 

[richmann]

But it has been a significant drop.
I have found that pooners expect alot more for alot less. Unfortunaltely I think some of it has to do with this board. Some pooners are finding really cheap rates, and then they use that as a basis to see anyone else.
And the girls have to compete more with those "cheap" girls, and start lowering there prices as well.
What happened to the phrase "you get what you pay for"??

The lower the prices the more likely you are to get get bad service, or an ichy red rash!
Those who do this job for the sake of supporting a habit dont need to make alot of money to get there next hit, but those who make this thier career, like to make it a bit better, by looking nicer, and adding something special to their incall locations, how do you expect to do that making $50/ session?

You say your business is down and I am not sure why. Your price (if $200/hr on the website you link is correct) is in the lower range for indy caucasian SP's. Maybe the proliferation of the AMP's at the $140-160 range is hurting you. But I wouldn't blame the $50 crack whore's as I doubt that they are the reason for the drop discussed in this thread.

 

[old pooner]

I'm not really opposed to paying $$$ to an SP, IF I know I'm going to get my money's worth. The problem is there are a lot of SP's who charge premium price and then lay there and ask you if this will take long. I think that is why I would more inclined to deal with the SP's on PERB, because they know what a lousy review can do for their business.

 

[georgebushmoron]

This is all a sign that the paid-sex market has finally begun maturing in the Lower Mainland. A sign of a maturing market is when a group of products or services takes most of the share of the market, with new entries of products/services into the market place as fast as old products/services leaving, and prices stabilizing.

So applied to the paid sex market here, it means a few of the girls are making most of the money while the rest are making much less. The girls who make less compensate by i) offering the same level of service as the girls who make more, or ii) increase prices. It seems that they are increasing price more often because they don't want to stoop to the level of service being offered by those who have cornered the market. As for new entries into the market place, these are from craiglist entries and the influx of new illegal shops. The barriers to entry are none because there is little cost to be a craiglist entry or to set up an illegal shop. All these new entries have forced the existing service providers to a market price that is more or less consensual - around $140 for an AMP, $180 for an MP. The new entries have also forced some existing service providers out of the market, as evidenced by increasing retirements because it has become too competitive.

I think that the price is going to remain stable for some time at the rates I quoted above. Pooners who cry about high prices are complaining about the girls who have increased prices to compensate for decline of customers, or are simply unable to afford their uncontrollable impulses.

The girls who have increased prices to compensate for decline in customers have made the correct economic decision, in my opinion. They realise that there will always be a league of men who are interested in getting service from them and are willing to pay an increased price, who also find high-mileage asian providers not to their taste. The impact of a higher price on these girls has been less overall income, but probably not a lot less than what they had before. So guys, stop your whining or earn more money or control yourselves better.

The most exciting new thing for pooners in the market place has been the new craiglist entries and micros. Unless there is some kind of LE crackdown, this will continue for an unforeseen period. An LE crackdown will benefit the legal shops, and would be a god-send to them. It means prices can rise again in the MPs and the independants can more easily justify their new high prices while offering the same service.

 

[steverino]

Another way to look at it....

When people talk price they usually frame it as a $200 or $300 experience. But a few have taken the broader view that as a "hobby" practiced once a week that reflects around $20,000 in pre-tax earnings. Anyone surprised that a large part of the community is pooning less?

My sense is that many of us are far more discerning in who we choose (perb helps out immensely in that regard) and if we are faced with two choices that seem to offer a similar experience we are more likely to go with the better value/price.

Expectations do rise when pooners review the best sp's and you read about what kind of experience you can get and therefore want. Thus I do agree with the suggestion that pooner expectations are rising.

It does appear that the supply of ladies is increasing at a time when pooning activity is stable, again implying you better be offering superior service if you want to do well.

 

[n2supersymmetry]

*shrug* can't blame a guy for wanting to get the best deal for his money.
I do tons of searching and analysis on sp's I am interested in for what I believe is the right balance between price and service.
I got lots of porn stocked in my computer so I am perfectly satisfied to wait patiently for the right girl, right service and right price to show up.

 

[LonelyGhost]

good ol' 'marginal utility' at work (yes, us sociologists do understand economics):

simply put, when a pooner has had no sex, then its of great value to him ... when he gets some, it still has value but not the urgent 'need' and therefore not as much value ... after a couple hundred times having sex, there is much less urgency, need and value and therefore less willingness to pay MORE for something that has been used before and often!

when i started pooning i was happy to pay lots and pay often ... now i know what i like, what i want and what i'm willing to pay for it and how often -- that means a lot fewer TOFTT experiences and a greater willingness to repeat with the ones that I liked and who went above and beyond a simple 'bang-for-your-buck' mentality.

as well, there is even more incentive to forgo having sex simply because I know its there if I need it ...

 

[aznboi9]

I am in chilliwack, near to me is abbotsford, and they seem to have alot of cheap places because i do charge 200/hour and i am getting quoted 120/ hour by some of cheap asses who have seen some of the other girls that were nearby.

If you did move to New West, as in your previous thread, and still provided a quality time, then I think that you wouldn't have any problems. Your pics look great, from what I remember reading, I think that your service seemed pretty good and $200/hr is in the range of a lot of pooners. Your could just be in New West part-time while you build up your clientele.

Good Luck

 

[joe dirt]

people have to spend more on gas, so they spend less on pooning, blame it on george bush,