Are there fewer domestic SPs now due to alternative "employment" opportunities like instagram, OF, and even sugaring?

[Gerald778]

I've been browsing an old thread (https://perb.cc/xenforo/threads/20-year-of-pooning-summary.296931/page-2) about what it was like doing this 40 years ago. I'd imagine that now with OF and other ways to "monetize" attractiveness, there's less incentive for young and attractive women to become a SP.

Do you agree?

 

[Pumped]

I've been browsing an old thread (https://perb.cc/xenforo/threads/20-year-of-pooning-summary.296931/page-2) about what it was like doing this 40 years ago. I'd imagine that now with OF and other ways to "monetize" attractiveness, there's less incentive for young and attractive women to become a SP.

Do you agree?

Yes and no. There are more opportunities but they may not be successful. Not everyone who has an Onlyfans site is making money with it.

It's likely that they are doing what most young people are forced to do and have multiple gigs to make ends meet.

The selection of 'young and attractive' women who are SPs is greater now than it was 20 years ago. And many of them do have other jobs and being a part-time SP bumps their income to pay rent, or trips or car payments etc.

 

[VanCityNewb]

It certainly doesn't feel like it. Perhaps it's the general population boom, but lately I've been wracking my brain from literally having too many choices to ever possibly get to even try out. If anything, I think those tend to be ways to help supplement income and increase marketing reach. If a girl can make major, MAJOR bucks from something like OnlyFans, she's probably not the type that would've needed to do this to begin with. For many, if not most, working girls, it's just a hustle to get a bit of extra money and for guys to get a bit more of a glimpse behind the curtain, so to speak.

 

[Gerald778]

It certainly doesn't feel like it. Perhaps it's the general population boom, but lately I've been wracking my brain from literally having too many choices to ever possibly get to even try out. If anything, I think those tend to be ways to help supplement income and increase marketing reach. If a girl can make major, MAJOR bucks from something like OnlyFans, she's probably not the type that would've needed to do this to begin with. For many, if not most, working girls, it's just a hustle to get a bit of extra money and for guys to get a bit more of a glimpse behind the curtain, so to speak.

What do you use to find SPs? Perhaps it's the way I look for them. On LL it seems like 90% of the SPs are Asians that don't speak English. What do you use to find SPs born in Canada?

 

[VanCityNewb]

What do you use to find SPs? Perhaps it's the way I look for them. On LL it seems like 90% of the SPs are Asians that don't speak English. What do you use to find SPs born in Canada?

Well, firstly, avoiding the Chinese agencies, who I have little patience or interest in. Next, when browsing LL, I've started often filtering for only ads that have verified pictures. Which isn't fool proof, but it helps to cut down on the Chinese bait and switch ads. I'll still see a fair bit of Asian girls, but I've kind of started to prefer massage parlors, where you can see the girls first, and let the mamasan know if there are particular things you're looking for. Depending on the place, you can quickly get an idea for how honest and reliable they are, and what kind of talent they attract. Tiger has several Asians, but I've never once run into one I couldn't have a basic conversation with. Sole Spa has plenty of cute young ones, but with difficulties in conversing with, and a questionable level of honesty in providing what they advertise. Also, on LL ads, it's usually pretty easy to read an ad and get the feeling for the level of an indy's grasp of the English language. And finally, there are plenty of reliable agencies/collectives, like Bunz Club, TempGF, Coco, PDC, etc where it's not even much of an issue to begin with. And Asian Fever is great for the transparent honesty in their ads if you do prefer Asian girls, but prioritize English proficiency, as they'll call it out for what it is, pretty well.

Oh, and of course, there are a handful of lovely ladies active on the board and in the advertising section who you can reach out to and get a good feel for things also.

I hope that helps a bit!

 

[VanCityNewb]

Oh, and if course, reviews on here. I rarely ever see a girl without reviews. And probably most of the guys here post reviews that are little more than ads for girls at their favorite Chinese shop. But at least they typically tend to provide information on the level of English proficiency of a given girl, if that is more your thing.

 

[Harmony-bc]

Look on tryst, Twitter, blue sky and in the ads section here. I think because of how expensive leolist has become most Indy’s try to find other ways of finding good clients.

 

[Gerald778]

Look on tryst, Twitter, blue sky and in the ads section here. I think because of how expensive leolist has become most Indy’s try to find other ways of finding good clients.

oh wow, i have no idea... how much does unverified and verified LL cost?

 

[Harmony-bc]

oh wow, i have no idea... how much does unverified and verified LL cost?

Verified is 15$ and change for 2 bumps. Your ad stays on the first page for about 40 min.

Unverified used to be a couple of bucks more but no idea what it is now.

When I first went on leolist it was free, and then it was $1 a bump for a while. It stayed at $3 for a couple of years. I’d buy 20 bumps for each of the sections I’d advertise in and bump a few times a day.

Now I just bump once or twice a week so people who search for me can find me. I think it’s been about a week and a half since I last bumped Leo. Maybe I’ll bump it tomorrow. I still get clients from there. But I’m definitely not trying to spend $100 a day to advertise

 

[Gerald778]

Verified is 15$ and change for 2 bumps. Your ad stays on the first page for about 40 min.

Unverified used to be a couple of bucks more but no idea what it is now.

When I first went on leolist it was free, and then it was $1 a bump for a while. It stayed at $3 for a couple of years. I’d buy 20 bumps for each of the sections I’d advertise in and bump a few times a day.

Now I just bump once or twice a week so people who search for me can find me. I think it’s been about a week and a half since I last bumped Leo. Maybe I’ll bump it tomorrow. I still get clients from there. But I’m definitely not trying to spend $100 a day to advertise

can you explain how it works? how is it $100 a day if an ad costs $15? are you saying that you need to pay the $15 multiple times per day to stay on the front page?

also, what percentage of unverified are actual SPs rather than scammers? do real SPs use the unverified option?

do you know how to find SPs on X or Bluesky? I don't know what keywords to use. Clearly using "vancouver escorts" doesn't give many relevant results...

 

[Harmony-bc]

can you explain how it works? how is it $100 a day if an ad costs $15? are you saying that you need to pay the $15 multiple times per day to stay on the front page?

also, what percentage of unverified are actual SPs rather than scammers? do real SPs use the unverified option?

do you know how to find SPs on X or Bluesky? I don't know what keywords to use. Clearly using "vancouver escorts" doesn't give many relevant results...

Yes exactly. It’s 7.80 or something a bump. The minimum you can buy is 2. So that’s over 15. Your ad stays on first page roughly 40 minutes. I have 6 ads. 3 in Richmond. 3 in vancouver as I also offer massage and kink and I am 5 min away from the airport on the vancouver side.

If an outcall girl wants to advertise all over the lower mainland, that’s several sections to put an ad in.

Leolist owners are just very greedy. I’d rather not support them. But I still get great clients from there so I bump without resentment a few times a month rather than with resentment a few times a day lol

 

[Harmony-bc]

can you explain how it works? how is it $100 a day if an ad costs $15? are you saying that you need to pay the $15 multiple times per day to stay on the front page?

also, what percentage of unverified are actual SPs rather than scammers? do real SPs use the unverified option?

do you know how to find SPs on X or Bluesky? I don't know what keywords to use. Clearly using "vancouver escorts" doesn't give many relevant results...

On blue sky, putting gfe into the search engine might work. Not really sure how it works but I follow 2700 sex workers so come follow me and creep my “friends” lol

 

[maniacalone]

Yes exactly. It’s 7.80 or something a bump. The minimum you can buy is 2. So that’s over 15. Your ad stays on first page roughly 40 minutes. I have 6 ads. 3 in Richmond. 3 in vancouver as I also offer massage and kink and I am 5 min away from the airport on the vancouver side.

If an outcall girl wants to advertise all over the lower mainland, that’s several sections to put an ad in.

Leolist owners are just very greedy. I’d rather not support them. But I still get great clients from there so I bump without resentment a few times a month rather than with resentment a few times a day lol

Do the owners create fake ads to push you off the first page and compel you to bump yourself back to the page on purpose to churn more profits?

 

[Harmony-bc]

Do the owners create fake ads to push you off the first page and compel you to bump yourself back to the page on purpose to churn more profits?

Wouldn’t surprise me at all!

 

[Harmony-bc]

Wouldn’t surprise me if half the scammers on leolist that are unverified are actually run by leolist. Who knows.

 

[localguy]

Do the owners create fake ads to push you off the first page and compel you to bump yourself back to the page on purpose to churn more profits?

Oh no question they do. Leolist are shady and greedy ass fucks. They have no competition and abuse it

 

[westwoody]

Do the owners create fake ads to push you off the first page and compel you to bump yourself back to the page on purpose to churn more profits?

Look for “sponsored” in the ad. They are fakes that Leo makes money from.
90% of Leo ads are fakes. Either outright scammers of grandmas that use pics if women 30 or 40 years younger.

I reviewed on 2 such visits last week in the Winnipeg review section.

 

[Crookedmember]

In my town, probably 80% of the LL ads are scams asking for deposits. And the scams obviously work.

I'd hazard a guess that they've sucked so much cash out of the pooner pool, many legitimate SPs can no longer survive in the industry.

Men be stupid.

 

[rlock]

Wouldn’t surprise me if half the scammers on leolist that are unverified are actually run by leolist. Who knows.

Kickbacks are not a new thing in society.

 

[kelcaine]

I've been browsing an old thread (https://perb.cc/xenforo/threads/20-year-of-pooning-summary.296931/page-2) about what it was like doing this 40 years ago. I'd imagine that now with OF and other ways to "monetize" attractiveness, there's less incentive for young and attractive women to become a SP.

Do you agree?

Without seeing other replies here I do want to say it’s good to have variety in the SW world, because we all may excel in certain areas of SW or prefer certain areas. I entered SW as an exotic dancer when I was 19 years old. It helped put me through college but I also really enjoyed it too. After a while dealing with drunk men a lot & moving into fully being in my new career as an educator had me leave it. Then after being in civ jobs for years I went back into SW as a provider.

Personally I choose to be a provider & not do other SW for my own reasons. I do other part time civ jobs & plan to go back to having a civ job as my main job in a few years doing this as as my primary job, so doing in person services I can have more discretion & privacy & not do online work. As far as sugaring goes I did do some while I was a dancer and found a lot of men who tried to take advantage of myself being young, wanted more of my time for a really low price, and got super possessive. I have had a few men reach out offering an allowance but also wanting me to quit being a provider, which I won’t do. Also I don’t want to be dependent on an allowance, and like to make my own money knowing I can, have many financial goals, like my independence and freedom. Being a SB reminds me of my ex marriage in some ways, and I like my independence fully right now in every aspect of my life.

I don’t think I could get into the physical shape I was in as a dancer and restrain my body for that again. I do miss the stage, but I have mad respect for exotic dancers after being one and realizing what amazing physical shape I used to ma in to do that and the talent required and balance in those 5-6 inch heels.

I know many SWers who do a combination of different areas of SW, some stick two, some do just one. Again whatever you excel in, what works for you, what you find most profitable for your own self, do it. Having the variety we have in the industry is a very good thing!