Are people who NEED to smoke pot daily losers?

[DQ Guy]

I used to Smoke a lot of Pot back when I was younger..
I did it because I didn't have any friends.
And when I was High I had a lot of friends..
Little tiny green goblins, and smurfs lots of smurfs.
We would hang out and have a great Ol time..
Until one day I stopped, My friends were very mean to me.
so I quit cold turkey..
Funny thing Is, I still have my friends some days, and they're still funny

 

[ChineseDude]

Know thy drugs

http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/psychoactives.shtml

I used to do drugs for the rush, the euphoria cannot be compared to with even orgasm. But nowadays, I find myself doing it to self-reflect, What can I do better in life? Getting high without thoughts of constructive behaviors leads to deterioration of the mind. There's a lot to life than smoking pot, you can make pot a huge part of your life, and you may get little from it. On the other hand, you can make pot or other drugs a tool for your trade.

Weed sometimes gives me anxiety, it erases parts of your social skills. There are other drugs where you can connect with friends during recreational use. I promote the use of LSD, MDMA or mushrooms, who knows, you may get profound life-changing spiritual experiences with it. It may change your life, for the better or the worst .

Street products cannot be trusted, hemp with pesticides, Meth branded as MDMA, crack cocaine, etc etc etc.

 

[trackstar]

http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/psychoactives.shtml

I used to do drugs for the rush, the euphoria cannot be compared to with even orgasm. But nowadays, I find myself doing it to self-reflect, What can I do better in life? Getting high without thoughts of constructive behaviors leads to deterioration of the mind. There's a lot to life than smoking pot, you can make pot a huge part of your life, and you may get little from it. On the other hand, you can make pot or other drugs a tool for your trade.

Weed sometimes gives me anxiety, it erases parts of your social skills. There are other drugs where you can connect with friends during recreational use. I promote the use of LSD, MDMA or mushrooms, who knows, you may get profound life-changing spiritual experiences with it. It may change your life, for the better or the worst .

Street products cannot be trusted, hemp with pesticides, Meth branded as MDMA, crack cocaine, etc etc etc.

And which one of those lovelies were you on while you wrote this post?

 

[ChineseDude]

Sorry , I forgot to say, it does take a lot discipline for recreational use. I never smoked on a job or during my studies. I do drugs in moderation, once in a blue moon is a good high. Too much ingestion in quantities during a short period of time leads to addiction for sure. Caution when trying. Its like pooning, I remembered the days I went twice a week, it was no fun at all. Other pooners,though, might think otherwise.

 

[slamma]

I am a heavy drinker - have been since the age of fifteen. No history of abuse or neglect in the family, no trauma, no drama. I am not a violent or abusive drunk - I just like the way it makes me feel and I know when I've had enough so I go home and sleep it off. Drink water before going to bed, go to bed early, drink more water during the night, results in a very minor hangover that I can totally shake by having a shower before going to work.

Generalizations are just that. I have naturally met tons of drunks, a lot of pot smokers and a lot of cross users. My anecdotal experience has led me to believe that most heavy drinkers can and do function quite well within society. Pot smokers are generally a different breed. I can't help but notice how over time it just seems to kill all ambition. They don't try to do anything new or challenging - hell most of them don't try to do anything period - they just sit around, narrow their circle of friends down to other pot heads and hang around waiting to spark up another joint. And the fact that today's stuff is so much stronger must have something to do with it. A friend / acquaintance of mine is a pot dealer. He makes a trip into the BC interior every couple of months or so to bring back his supply. The users we know in common can't wait for him to come back. It is as if he is bringing back the holy grail. They seem to have no other function or purpose in life other than to smoke weed - and come to think of it, many of them have asked to borrow money only to duck me for long periods of time so as to delay paying it back.

 

[Kong420]

first off, just gonna say
Alcohol, and Cigarettes, both individually kill more people per year than illegal drugs....to which there is yet to be a proven case of pot overdose, or anyone dying from pot......

All i'm saying is that Alcohol, Cigarettes, and dare i say caffeine are more harmful to you than marijuana....look at the studies, the facts speak for themselves.

On top of that, i keep seeing on this thread how one dude seems to think that "pot heads are broke" and are always borrowing money... well let me tell you something my friend i never borrow money in the first place, i probably smoke more than most of my friends to which i probably am the one usually lending money. Also, have you ever heard of people robbing others, or stealing to support the "pot" habit? NO! you hear about people being hooked on Heroin, Crack, and Meth who usually have problems with property crime and supporting their habit. There's no actual addictive substances in pot, and ones that claim to be addicted, or are labelled as addicts usual have a habitual addiction, or addictive personalities....any substance could be a problem for these kinds of people. Again, i re-iterate, You won't find people stealing to get their pot fix......

To top that all off, judging by the facts, i think pot SHOULD be legalized, taxed and regulated. Not just as a substance but the whole damn plant can be used for a variety of resources.....

Do your research people and don't just buy into the stereotypes. The prohibition of marijuana, in my opinion, is one of the MANY things wrong with our legal system these days.

 

[moi]

My sister started dating a guy years ago that smoked pot daily. He then upgraded to a Herbalizer or "Volcano". I thought he was a loser that would amount to nothing at all and would neglect her.

8 years later, he is helping pay the mortgage while she is in university full time, helps with the housework, play WOW, goes to work and makes my sister very very happy. I have some of the most intellectual and funny conversations with him.

He still "herbalizes" daily.

 

[trackstar]

first off, just gonna say
Alcohol, and Cigarettes, both individually kill more people per year than illegal drugs....to which there is yet to be a proven case of pot overdose, or anyone dying from pot......

All i'm saying is that Alcohol, Cigarettes, and dare i say caffeine are more harmful to you than marijuana....look at the studies, the facts speak for themselves.

On top of that, i keep seeing on this thread how one dude seems to think that "pot heads are broke" and are always borrowing money... well let me tell you something my friend i never borrow money in the first place, i probably smoke more than most of my friends to which i probably am the one usually lending money. Also, have you ever heard of people robbing others, or stealing to support the "pot" habit? NO! you hear about people being hooked on Heroin, Crack, and Meth who usually have problems with property crime and supporting their habit. There's no actual addictive substances in pot, and ones that claim to be addicted, or are labelled as addicts usual have a habitual addiction, or addictive personalities....any substance could be a problem for these kinds of people. Again, i re-iterate, You won't find people stealing to get their pot fix......

To top that all off, judging by the facts, i think pot SHOULD be legalized, taxed and regulated. Not just as a substance but the whole damn plant can be used for a variety of resources.....

Do your research people and don't just buy into the stereotypes. The prohibition of marijuana, in my opinion, is one of the MANY things wrong with our legal system these days.

I found this to be a very interesting read. Just so you know, cigarettes are not more harmful than marijuana. People in general just smoke more tobacco than marijuana.

http://www.drugtext.org/sub/marmyt1.html

As far as overdose, it depends on what you consider to be an overdose. This also was an interesting READ:

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2298.html

"The intensely unique high produced by orally administered marijuana, or by an unexpectedly potent smoked dose of marijuana or hashish, can create effects that mimic serious illness. Physical effects include sedation, dizziness, numbness, muscle relaxation, loss of coordination, sensory deprivation, nausea, headache, and flu-like symptoms. Psychological effects of a marijuana "overdose" can include racing thoughts, confusion, memory loss, hallucinations, paranoia, depersonalization, nightmares, and depression."

This happened to me and is the reason why I no longer partake. I seriously wanted to fucking die!

 

[ChineseDude]

I don't believe in the legalization of marijuana. It sad to see Canadian society viewing marijuana as a social pastime. You see all these kids glorifying the cannabis culture. There are a lot of underachievers in the pothead community. Again I stress the controlled use of pot, and through the disciplined smoking, one may reach heights never achieved.

For once, I agree with the government, decriminalize the drug and not strictly enforcing it. Legalizing would just make more mess.

 

[trackstar]

I am a heavy drinker - have been since the age of fifteen. No history of abuse or neglect in the family, no trauma, no drama. I am not a violent or abusive drunk - I just like the way it makes me feel and I know when I've had enough so I go home and sleep it off. Drink water before going to bed, go to bed early, drink more water during the night, results in a very minor hangover that I can totally shake by having a shower before going to work.

Generalizations are just that. I have naturally met tons of drunks, a lot of pot smokers and a lot of cross users. My anecdotal experience has led me to believe that most heavy drinkers can and do function quite well within society. Pot smokers are generally a different breed. I can't help but notice how over time it just seems to kill all ambition. They don't try to do anything new or challenging - hell most of them don't try to do anything period - they just sit around, narrow their circle of friends down to other pot heads and hang around waiting to spark up another joint. And the fact that today's stuff is so much stronger must have something to do with it. A friend / acquaintance of mine is a pot dealer. He makes a trip into the BC interior every couple of months or so to bring back his supply. The users we know in common can't wait for him to come back. It is as if he is bringing back the holy grail. They seem to have no other function or purpose in life other than to smoke weed - and come to think of it, many of them have asked to borrow money only to duck me for long periods of time so as to delay paying it back.

Dude, you're going to kill your liver I hope you regularly see a doctor and plan on quitting at the first sign of deterioration. Remember, you do the booze you lose!

 

[Kong420]

I'm not sure what you were trying to show with that citation Trackstar..... If you actually read it, this is what it actually said:

MARIJUANA MYTHS:
5. Marijuana is much more dangerous than tobacco

Smoked marijuana contains about the same amount of carcinogens as does an equivalent amount of tobacco. It should be remembered, however, that a heavy tobacco smoker consumes much more tobacco than a heavy marijuana smoker consumes marijuana. This is because smoked tobacco, with a 90% addiction rate, is the most addictive of all drugs while marijuana is less addictive than caffeine. Two other factors are important. The first is that paraphernalia laws directed against marijuana users make it difficult to smoke safely. These laws make water pipes and bongs, which filter some of the carcinogens out of the smoke, illegal and, hence, unavailable. The second is that, if marijuana were legal, it would be more economical to have cannabis drinks like bhang (a traditional drink in the Middle East) or tea which are totally non-carcinogenic. This is in stark contrast with "smokeless" tobacco products like snuff which can cause cancer of the mouth and throat. When all of these facts are taken together, it can be clearly seen that the reverse is true: marijuana is much SAFER than tobacco.

This is a direct quote from the citation you used.....clearly it says at the end that "marijuana is much SAFER than tobacco"

Your other citation about overdosing is mostly talking about eating it. Again people, read what the actual citation says before allowing yourself to believe that it supports anyone claims.... again to quote your own citation:

According to Dr Grinspoon, "Marijuana is one of the least lethal of all medicinal substances known to humans." You cannot die from using marijuana, even in an acute dose situation, even though you might feel very sick. To counter the effects of too much pot, eat modest amounts of healthy food that does not contain fats, drink a natural caffeine tea (like green tea), or a calming tea (like chamomile) and rest quietly with a trusted friend or lover in a safe place. Eventually, the drug will exit from your body and the high will become manageable if not enjoyable.

Marijuana is far safer than alcohol, which can quickly injure or kill people in doses that cost only a few dollars. The smoked and oral ingestion of cannabis has been part of religious, sexual and recreational rituals for centuries. If you can learn to accommodate and flow with what might initially seem to be an "overdose," you can explore inner space and achieve significant pleasure and insight.

Basically what i took away from your post is that you had a near overdose experience, and that was enough for you.... well why not just NOT do so much next time? What is the point of consuming so much to the point where
you are overdosing?

I could go on and on..... nobody's even touched on the subject on how marijuana has influenced our music, and imaginations.....
http://boards.cannabis.com/activism/72501-famous-people-smoke-weed.html

Also, to touch on the subject of legalization, do you know how clogged up the prison system is? Do you know how many people are getting put in prison from certain states for smoking a joint, or just possessing over a gram of pot? IT'S ALOT OF MONEY to keep these people put away..

I don't believe in the legalization of marijuana. It sad to see Canadian society viewing marijuana as a social pastime. You see all these kids glorifying the cannabis culture. There are a lot of underachievers in the pothead community. Again I stress the controlled use of pot, and through the disciplined smoking, one may reach heights never achieved.

For once, I agree with the government, decriminalize the drug and not strictly enforcing it. Legalizing would just make more mess.

First off, theirs underachiever from all facets of life so that argument doesn't really hold any water. And how are kids glorifying these days? I think people are starting to view marijuana as a social past time because everyone is starting to realize just how harmless it is.

Do you know that Amsterdam pot use per capita is smaller than places in the United States and Canada? Making it readily available wouldn't necassarily increase pot usage...

THis is getting too long winded, but like i said i could go on...... using CREDIBLE RESOURCES and facts.

 

[wilde]

My anecdotal experience has led me to believe that most heavy drinkers can and do function quite well within society.

Rationalization is a powerful thing, it is also the first step in becoming an alcoholic.

One of my friend was debating whether he should quit smoking or drinking. I told him straight up that the hardening of his liver is going to kill him long before smoking will. He is still in denial.

Pot heads are perceived as lazy, unambitious and permanently skint. If you believe all that then congratulations you have been brainwashed by the anti-drug campaigns. The potheads I know are social, peaceful, engaging, and fully able to support themselves. Some are even well off and are professionals.

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[mclovin76]

just because some do doesnt mean its for all. pot is a medicine that is socially used for leisure. i believe that sick people should have access to it but children and young adults shouldnt. i dont like cing a 14 year old getting stoned but i dont like him getting drunk or smoking cigaretes either.

 

[alongcamejohn]

pot

I have been smoking pot since I was 15 (the summer of love, for those that know). I have also been in the top 1% of wage earners most of my working years.
I have not missed a single day of work, for any reason in my life.
I have never collected UIC.
I have never been on WCB.

The original posters generalizations are offensive to me, and a hearty F.O. to him.

Bottom line is some can handle their pleasures and some become consumed/obsessed by them.

 

[funnguy694u]

50 bucks aday aint bad for a habbit !! when i was an alcholic i spent double and even triple that... And as far as being loser's,the only loser's are the one's labeling others as that...It takes variaty to make the world go round...

EVERYONE MEDICATE'S IN THERE OWN WAY !!!
PEACE OUT!!

 

[Thatotherguy]

For once, I agree with the government, decriminalize the drug and not strictly enforcing it. Legalizing would just make more mess.

Umm, how exactly would legalizing it make "more mess?" By allowing it to be regulated and taxed? By making it more difficult for minors to get their hands on it (it's easier for high school kids to get weed than alcohol these days)? By getting the Hell's Angels and other organized crime groups out of the business? By easing the strain on our prison system? OK, actually the last one would be pretty minor in Canada, since there are very few people put in jail for weed (except for major traffickers).

Yeah, legalizing it sure is a bad idea

 

[rimas]

I have smoked pot for 33 years and am a business owner of a multimillion dollar company, not lazy, fat, stupid (except on occasion), or anything else associated with the cliches. I do not smoke cigs, workout 4 days a week, do ashtanga yoga (secondary series) 3 days a week, avid skiier, etc.

I also enjoy a good wine, nice scotch, and an occasional martini.

Bottom line is: some people are drunks and addicts, or lazy bums, regardless of what they put in their bodies.

 

[Heather Honey]

A friend with weed...

is a friend indeed

 

[Heather Honey]

Lol

I call it my anal glaucoma medication. I take it when I can't see my ass going into to work.

that's funny

 

[FuZzYknUckLeS]

MMU = Medical Maryjane User

This thread is hilarious when yer high.

My 2 pesos:

Nobody fukkin needs to smoke the shit, except maybe MMU's ( ). Myself, I smoked the shit when I was a teen. Quite heavily in fact. Check out the Yes album Relayer sometime after a bowl. And that Roger Dean album cover art! Some of my fondest memories there. Anyhow. Finished high school, left home, put the shit behind me. Had to get serious about life. Didn't touch the shit for at least the next 20 years. Then one day a bud gave me a J after a shitass day I had. Went home, lit 'er up, and I've been a casual smoker since. Does it affect my ability to do my well paying career? Or deal with my 2 mortgages? Or deal with my awesome marriage? Not so far. Am I a loser? I don't think I am. But ask me about 25 years ago, I might have given a different answer...didn't smoke the shit then either.
As for todays stuff being stronger? BULLSHIT! And it tastes like it came out of a cows ass. I enjoyed the days of Columbian (it was actually dark brown kids!) and Thai stick. Thai stick. Only weed I've ever smoked that actually felt stronger than weed. Yer high and yer like "Fukk me! That shit was laced man. No fukkin way that's just straight fukkin weed!" This B.C. Bud is the biggest con I've ever seen. It's home grown IMO. But it seems to be all you can buy nowdays. What ever happened to Columbian? Is it still around? I'm guessing that peeps figure why take the chance importing the shit anymore since everyone's happy to pay the same amount for this home grown shit now anyhow?