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SFMIKE

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And, he credits LSD for a lot of his success:


In a few interviews, Jobs hinted at his early experience with the psychedelic drug LSD. Of Microsoft founder Bill Gates, Jobs said: "I wish him the best, I really do. I just think he and Microsoft are a bit narrow. He'd be a broader guy if he had dropped acid once or gone off to an ashram when he was younger."

The connection has enough weight that Albert Hofmann, the Swiss scientist who first synthesized (and took) LSD, appealed to Jobs for funding for research about the drug's therapeutic use.

In a book interview, Jobs called his experience with the drug "one of the two or three most important things I have done in my life." As Jobs himself has suggested, LSD may have contributed to the "think different" approach that still puts Apple's designs a head above the competition.

Jobs will forever be a visionary, and his personal life also reflects the forward-thinking, alternative approach that vaulted Apple to success. During a trip to India, Jobs visited a well-known ashram and returned to the U.S. as a Zen Buddhist.

Jobs was also a pescetarian who didn't consume most animal products, and didn't eat meat other than fish. A strong believer in Eastern medicine, he sought to treat his own cancer through alternative approaches and specialized diets before reluctantly seeking his first surgery for a cancerous tumor in 2004.

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Yman

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You need to fucking jailbreak all apple products in order to install non-apple approved programs. waste! :frusty:

And the majority of software manufacturers in the nineties into the early 2000's didn't create a product to work on a Apple platform. So I guess what goes around comes around.
 

jesuschrist

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Ok let's get back on topic. Regardless of what you think of Apple and their products you can't deny that Steve was one of those rare people that changed the world. Even if he was a nobody it's still sad for anyone to die that young.

If you want to see a great movie check out Pirates of Silicon Valley.
He changed the world?

Steve Jobs (a computer support guy at a local computer store called "The Byte Shop") partnered with Steve Wozniak (an engineer with Hewlett Packard) to produce Apple. The first Apple entirely conceived of and created by Wozniak before Jobs came along. Jobs was the business partner and creative guy. Jobs pushed Wozniak out after Apple succeeded with the Apple II, again Wozniak's creation entirely. Then there is the unix-based BSD operating system, an open-source free system that was and is still what is the current mac operating systems with fancy window dressing over top. BSD is free.

Jobs stole from Wozniak and he stole BSD from the open source community. He then was criticized for employing under hazardous work conditions in factories in China and for a rash of suicides at Apple plants, for which Jobs himself expressed cavalier disregard.

Jobs can thank 90% of his success to Wozniak and the open-source community to which he never paid a dime. He was responsible for succeeding as a greedy businessman, and the only "visionary" thing he did was visualize sleek devices (which others had visualized long before him). People cried upon his death, and treated him like a God. But it seems all it takes to be treated like a God is to give people shiny little toys to play with.

He was not a visionary. He was not brilliant. He was not a God. He was just a greedy S.O.B and no different than any other CEO of a company. Apple will continue to make new shiny sleek toys for people to delight in like children without Jobs. Thus they did not need him to succeed, and Apple will continue to succeed because people like their shiny sleek toys and they don't mind paying a premium for them just so that they can walk around with that brand on their person.
 
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How the heck did j.c. type out and post his rant through his Commodore 64?
J.C., if you provide me with your mailing address, I'll send you a shiny new Etch-A-Sketch toy to play with. : )

All kidding aside, don't sweat it over an Apple... life is short.

Peace.
 

jesuschrist

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How the heck did j.c. type out and post his rant through his Commodore 64?
J.C., if you provide me with your mailing address, I'll send you a shiny new Etch-A-Sketch toy to play with. : )

All kidding aside, don't sweat it over an Apple... life is short.

Peace.
Not sweating it. Just want to remind those who have any brains left, those who didn't pass out drinking the Apple Koolaid, those who are weeping that their God "Steve Jobs" was a mortal and actually died, some forgotten but very important facts.

Aside from what I already stated, here are a few more:

1. Remember when Apple announced that their Iphone wasn't going to be able to play Flash movies? Incredible that seemed to those of us who know who computers and mobile devices work on the inside. After all, the iOS (the Iphone o/s) is largely Darwin, the same unix-based operating system that Macs run on, and the Mac runs Flash. Steve Jobs said, it was a security threat. The tech community burst out laughing. Only the stupid could believe such a stupid lie. What it really was, was that Apple was afraid of Adobe's monopoly of streaming video and Apple had its own designs on capitalizing on that through its app store. Apple was wanting to close off its products that in a world was increasingly sharing the same standards and interoperability. People have a right to hate Microsoft for that, and Apple was supposed to be the alternative away from all that. Well, I guess Steve Jobs decided that his pockets needed protection, especially in the face of Google's coming dominance with Android and its agreement with Adobe. So that means any shitty lie will do, and Apple fans are apparently really that stupid. What really happened was that Apple stifled Adobe's proposal and openness to its technology so that the Flash player could be implemented to run on the Iphone. Steve Jobs accused Adobe for creating an insecure product - scare mongering to make Iphone users think that somehow they were going to get viruses watching YouTube, but apparently is not a problem on the Mac for some reason even though they shared almost the same o/s. Needless to say, Adobe was extremely upset. I didn't know a God could also be a douchebag.

2. The antenna fiasco. Come on girls, were you so focussed on making your phone so pretty, you forgot about the antenna? And what did our God, "Steve Jobs" have to say about all this? See this link: http://www.pcworld.com/article/199853/apple_responds_to_iphone_4_antenna_problem.html .... "Jobs downplayed users' reception gripes as a non-issue.", and the solution to its loyal fans: to simply "avoid holding it in the lower corners". Then later he had to face the music because it was too obviously a huge hardware design flaw, so then he said it was a software error - the reception bars were programmed wrong so it looks like you have better signal strength than you really do. Another stupid lie for the stupid to believe, and believe me, there are a lot of stupid fans out there who swallowed that hook, line and sinker. In the end, there was no fix except.... to buy the next model. Go figure.

3. The anti-Android tirade. Realizing that the future of computing is mobiles, but also realizing that a giant had come out of nowhere the last 10 years (Google) to kill Apple's ability to gain more market share, Steve Jobs goes nuts at Android. Here's some choice quotes:
a) "However, we do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone. Folks who want porn can buy an Android phone.", source: http://www.androidcentral.com/steve-jobs-obsessed-android-and-porn-and-still-pretends-iphone-innocent
b) “Android is a probe in your pocket.”, source: http://9to5mac.com/2011/05/31/steve-jobs-android-is-a-probe-in-your-pocket-kara-swisher/ .... oh, so his loyal fans now will believe that Android phones are spying on you but the Iphone does not. How stupid does he think they are? Apparently very stupid.
c) "We think Android is very, very fragmented and becomes more so every day. We think this is a huge strength of our approach when compared to Google's. We think integrated will trump fragmented every time.", source: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20019957-260.html?tag=mncol;txt . Oh really? Well you're wrong Steve. Too bad you're not alive to see that Android has taken the majority market share.
 

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Not sweating it. Just want to remind those who have any brains left, those who didn't pass out drinking the Apple Koolaid, those who are weeping that their God "Steve Jobs" was a mortal and actually died, some forgotten but very important facts.
I think people admired Steve Jobs because he was a ' Mortal '. He was always in touch with his humanity. He influenced design and he helped produce products that the masses wanted to use. He also reshaped PIXAR into an entertainment company that produced animation that touched our heart and minds and it speaks volumes to his character.

Perhaps I drank the koolaid but I'm thankful. I've always found technology a bit daunting and Apple made it a little less so and even fun.
 

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RIP Steve Jobs but I have a few things to say in contrast to all the worshipping going on in the news.

do all these gadgets (smartphones, ipods, pads, etc) really make life easier?
not one mention of the suicides being attempted on a daily basis in those Apple factories overseas?
how about the road fatalities caused by morons texting or talking on the phone while driving?
you can apply this to the pedestrians who text or listens to music while walking. that's an accident just waiting to happen.

and no, I am not anti-Apple nor a Luddite. I'm just saying that all these gadgets are not what it's cracked up to be.
the constant upgrades, the paranoia when we loose or misplace our smartphones, the fear of cancer from the signals, etc.
 

Yman

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I always thought people baught apple products because they are the most appealing to the eye. They hardly make life easier for people.
No doubt the external design of the Apple products have given them an edge in the market over some of the less attractive competition. And technology has definitely changed how we live our lives. I quite often long for the old days before voice mail, e-mail and texting. In the early nineties I could escape work simply by leaving the office. No more.

Is that what you meant by referring to these gadgets making life less easier ? Or were you being specific to Apple products being more difficult to use compared to other brand gadgets ?
 

jesuschrist

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I always thought people baught apple products because they are the most appealing to the eye. They hardly make life easier for people.
Not quite true... they DID buy the products because they were attracted to their sexy design - ie: eye appeal... but more than that, owning such a sexy design made you one of the "cool" or "hip" ones. Alas you would often overhear these hipsters saying, "hey just call me on my Iphone"... whereas normal, sensible people would say, "hey just call me on my cell phone".
 

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He changed the world?

Steve Jobs (a computer support guy at a local computer store called "The Byte Shop") partnered with Steve Wozniak (an engineer with Hewlett Packard) to produce Apple. The first Apple entirely conceived of and created by Wozniak before Jobs came along. Jobs was the business partner and creative guy. Jobs pushed Wozniak out after Apple succeeded with the Apple II, again Wozniak's creation entirely. Then there is the unix-based BSD operating system, an open-source free system that was and is still what is the current mac operating systems with fancy window dressing over top. BSD is free.

Jobs stole from Wozniak and he stole BSD from the open source community. He then was criticized for employing under hazardous work conditions in factories in China and for a rash of suicides at Apple plants, for which Jobs himself expressed cavalier disregard.

Jobs can thank 90% of his success to Wozniak and the open-source community to which he never paid a dime. He was responsible for succeeding as a greedy businessman, and the only "visionary" thing he did was visualize sleek devices (which others had visualized long before him). People cried upon his death, and treated him like a God. But it seems all it takes to be treated like a God is to give people shiny little toys to play with.

He was not a visionary. He was not brilliant. He was not a God. He was just a greedy S.O.B and no different than any other CEO of a company. Apple will continue to make new shiny sleek toys for people to delight in like children without Jobs. Thus they did not need him to succeed, and Apple will continue to succeed because people like their shiny sleek toys and they don't mind paying a premium for them just so that they can walk around with that brand on their person.

Sad, Very Sad,

A person who handle is JC and who can spew all these lies. It's time for you to grow up do some real research instead of spewing this self made hate bullshit. It shows your immature technological ability to sort fact from fiction.

Job's Apple iPhone is just as one small example that changed the world's cell phone industry-"The iPhone introduced the world to three new, never before seen concepts in mobile phone devices; 1. Touch gesture including multi-touch for more tactile control of a electronic device, the world learns again how to better interact with an electronic device. 2. High resolution 383 ppi screens -- in a world of 72 ppi screens, this game-changer packed more pixels into a phone than any other device enabling much sharper graphics. 3. Digital content eco system; while other devices existed before like the Blackberry, these other dumb phones were no comparison to the new (2007) smart(i)phones which had robust content eco systems such as music, movies, books, and applications to further enhance the user's digital world."

So you also were Job's banker in that you knew factually that he never paid a dime? You should have stuck with that banking career cause you sure know didley squat about technology.

Perhaps you can explain to the world how you steal BSD from a "free open source community"? What a brain fart!

So how many inventive patents have you filed for or which company did you rescue from being almost bankrupt @ 3 billion andturned it around to be worth more than 350 plus billion which is worth more than both Google and Microsoft combined ? Job's had 300 patents, so if that isn't brilliance perhaps his self made net worth of 7 billion is.

You are so Sad, really very Sad, being so much outside of reality and so much pent up jealousy.........................
 

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Steve Jobs was really good at what he did, which was make a lot of money. He had the final say so on a lot of things, but what he did best was assemble the right people, who could then engineer beautiful things, inside and out, and make beautiful software. When things are good, people want to buy them. None of that is innovating, and none of the revolutions we've seen in our ability to get stuff done depended on his presence.

He was a guy with billions and a personal jet: part of the problem rather than part of the solution. I have cursed the products of Bill Gates far more than I have cursed the products of Steve Jobs - because they still suck! - but it's pretty obvious who had the sense to give those billions back to the world that made the wealth possible.

So long Steve, thanks for the good stuff, wish you made the world a better place for more than just those upwards of the middle class.
 

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He was a guy with billions and a personal jet: part of the problem rather than part of the solution.

So long Steve, thanks for the good stuff, wish you made the world a better place for more than just those upwards of the middle class.
Envy is ugly. Pathetic.

No doubt there is excess on Wall Street. Lots of guys are being over compensated for doing poor jobs at public companies. Steve Jobs, however, was co-founder and entrepreneur. He took risk with his own money and he was rewarded . As Billionaires go he lived quite modestly.

I have no idea of whether he was philanthropic. I know he was fiercly private.

With regards to the jet... I somehow imagine that being CEO of the largest company in the world would warrant the use of a private jet.
 

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Envy is ugly. Pathetic.

No doubt there is excess on Wall Street. Lots of guys are being over compensated for doing poor jobs at public companies. Steve Jobs, however, was co-founder and entrepreneur. He took risk with his own money and he was rewarded . As Billionaires go he lived quite modestly.

I have no idea of whether he was philanthropic. I know he was fiercly private.

With regards to the jet... I somehow imagine that being CEO of the largest company in the world would warrant the use of a private jet.
I don't see how what I wrote contradicts anything you wrote except that you don't like that I wrote it.
 

Webster

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Bill Gates and Warren Buffet didn't publicize the money they gave away until they realized that the American People and the American Media are too lazy to look at the public financial reports that charities put out. The publicity is a defensive measure.
When did they realize that? Is there some date I can look to?

Accepting the cynical view that it's somehow a ploy for good will of the kind that was utterly unnecessary to other billionaires, I'm glad Buffett and Gates came out and did what they did in public. It sets a standard, and other folks like Mark Zuckerberg - who seems exceptionally creepy otherwise - have followed in their footsteps, which is a good thing.
 

Yman

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Steve Jobs was really good at what he did, which was make a lot of money. He had the final say so on a lot of things, but what he did best was assemble the right people, who could then engineer beautiful things, inside and out, and make beautiful software. When things are good, people want to buy them. None of that is innovating, and none of the revolutions we've seen in our ability to get stuff done depended on his presence.

He was a guy with billions and a personal jet: part of the problem rather than part of the solution. I have cursed the products of Bill Gates far more than I have cursed the products of Steve Jobs - because they still suck! - but it's pretty obvious who had the sense to give those billions back to the world that made the wealth possible.

So long Steve, thanks for the good stuff, wish you made the world a better place for more than just those upwards of the middle class.

!st off I disagree with most of what you said. I don't believe Steve Jobs was part of any " problem ". I don't think his actions contributed to a break down in our capitalist democracy. If anything I believe the Apple story exemplifies what's working in our system. I think he realized from his early mistakes at Apple that a tech company had to be better , and it had to be shrewd in its dealings to survive and thrive in the market. I don't believe his key motivation was making money. He had a vision of the future using better designed products to improve the world. He was successful time and time again. It's a pitty we lost a great visionary too young.

I can't comment on his philanthropy ( if he was or wasn't ) as it wasn't public. The discussion of ' charity ' and giving back is a complex issue. The road to hell can sometimes be paved with good intentions. I would have loved to hear Steve Jobs thoughts on ' charity '.
 
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