Anti MP and Escort Motion

[westwoody]

Diane Redsky was on CBC trying to get the city to stop licensing parlors and escort agencies.
She claims that they do harm to native women.
Is she grandstanding? I have never seen any first nations women at EB and I am sure they would not risk having anyone too young working.
I don’t know of any actual local agencies.
IMO she is taking the place at the taxpayer trough that used to be occupied by that Con MLA. There is a lot of money in the save-a-hoe industry.

 

[MB Mod]

Doesn’t Serena claim to be Winnipeg’s only licensed escort? So she’s on a campaign to get rid of 1? Our tax dollars at work

 

[Loverboy78]

Diane Redsky was on CBC trying to get the city to stop licensing parlors and escort agencies.
She claims that they do harm to native women.
Is she grandstanding? I have never seen any first nations women at EB and I am sure they would not risk having anyone too young working.
I don’t know of any actual local agencies.
IMO she is taking the place at the taxpayer trough that used to be occupied by that Con MLA. There is a lot of money in the save-a-hoe industry.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/mani...rub-parlour-escort-agencies-illegal-1.6316316

Doesn't seem like they're going after indie escorts though. Just anyone that profits from the Sp's work. This is not necessarily bad.

 

[Uncled]

“advocates such as Redsky estimate there are hundreds of illegal rub parlours and escort agencies that use thousands of women and girls in Winnipeg alone.”

I think these “advocates” are exaggerating just a little bit.

 

[Loverboy78]

“avocates such as Redsky estimate there are hundreds of illegal rub parlours and escort agencies that use thousands of women and girls in Winnipeg alone.”

I think these “advocates” are exaggerating just a little bit.

This is a gross overestimate

 

[Chriswpg]

Doesn’t Serena claim to be Winnipeg’s only licensed escort? So she’s on a campaign to get rid of 1? Our tax dollars at work

Serena was the 1st independent,prob more now. But then there's the buildings to go to.... back in the day it was Broadway and executive bath. There's lots of licensed spots but probably not 100's here

 

[AlexTF]

“advocates such as Redsky estimate there are hundreds of illegal rub parlours and escort agencies that use thousands of women and girls in Winnipeg alone.”

I think these “advocates” are exaggerating just a little bit.

I wish, lol…

 

[Peter69Camaro]

There's a difference between "estimating" and actually doing any research to find the truth....but did you expect any less from a politician?
And the narrative would be very different if she had said "a few illegal parlours" and now the stage is set against any truthful discussion. I mean, look at the open and more objective comments here. Do any of you think these comments would be allowed in a public forum or during a Q&A session in parliament? You would probably be stoned for daring to say there may only be a few parlours that need to be shut down instead of the hundreds...
Am all for safeguards for providers and to eradicate trafficking, but i find that the proposed solutions without proper consultation end up harming the very people they are supposed to protect.

 

[nearandfar]

Serena was the 1st independent,prob more now. But then there's the buildings to go to.... back in the day it was Broadway and executive bath. There's lots of licensed spots but probably not 100's here

The only currently licensed businesses in Winnipeg under the "Doing Business in Winnipeg" by-law is:

• Executive Bath
• Diamonds
• Sexy Serena

That's it. Took like 20 min to figure that out from the data on the city's own website! She couldn't get a staffer to do that work ahead of time?

If she's really worried about human trafficking, there's definitely more low hanging fruit that can be had with some actual police work.

 

[shorty1967]

The only currently licensed businesses in Winnipeg under the "Doing Business in Winnipeg" by-law is:

• Executive Bath
• Diamonds
• Sexy Serena

That's it. Took like 20 min to figure that out from the data on the city's own website! She couldn't get a staffer to do that work ahead of time?

If she's really worried about human trafficking, there's definitely more low hanging fruit that can be had with some actual police work.

I think under Cal at EB all his girls were licensed. That may have changed now?

 

[surveyor66]

The only currently licensed businesses in Winnipeg under the "Doing Business in Winnipeg" by-law is:

• Executive Bath
• Diamonds
• Sexy Serena

That's it. Took like 20 min to figure that out from the data on the city's own website! She couldn't get a staffer to do that work ahead of time?

If she's really worried about human trafficking, there's definitely more low hanging fruit that can be had with some actual police work.

Someone should send this to her...

 

[Horse1957]

Someone should send this to her...

There is no sense sending this information to any of them as it doesn't support their narrative. I'm surprised with the whole argument of the "City making money off prostitution" in the first place when the news released the fact that the City only collects about $23,000 a year in license fees....

Is there a problem with sex trafficking in this country...HELL YES...and they need to figure out how to identify the pimps and organizations responsible and prosecute them to the hilt...while finding a way to provide mental and financial support to those that are in the business "not of their free will"

But if you close down places like EB and Diamonds across this country all you will do is completely drive the business "underground" adding to your problem....and remove what was a "safe location" for ladies who choose/need this line of work to actually earn a living to support themselves and/or their families.

I'm sure many of us have talked with our providers over the years and discovered that many of them are single moms. students etc that are "ok" with this line of work to fill their need for funding... most of them are in the business with a goal in mind and if they reach it...they leave the business....

I'm all for "legitimizing" the sex trade industry...collecting taxes and ensuring safe and clean environments for women across this country where they can earn a living doing a job "of their choice" for however long and for whatever reasons apply. Then use those tax dollars to fund support and education for all involved.

That's my tirade...I'll say no more on the subject...

Be safe ladies and gents...

 

[westwoody]

But if you close down places like EB and Diamonds across this country all you will do is completely drive the business "underground" adding to your problem....and remove what was a "safe location" for ladies who choose/need this line of work to actually earn a living to support themselves and/or their families.

Post of the day right there Horse.
Many of us know someone who has been a victim of anti sexworker violence.
I know two women, personally, who were victims of attempted murder.
Safe spaces/safe environments are more important and more realistic than any outright ban.

 

[westwoody]

Doesn't seem like they're going after indie escorts though. Just anyone that profits from the Sp's work. This is not necessarily bad.

Her exact words-
"we really need to shut them down and make it illegal"
She wants to shut down everything. Her and Joy Smith repeatedly say very clearly all sex work is exploitation.

 

[surveyor66]

Her exact words-
"we really need to shut them down and make it illegal"
She wants to shut down everything. Her and Joy Smith repeatedly say very clearly all sex work is exploitation.

Give a Millennial a shovel and expect them to dig for 8 hrs for min wage - now that's exploitation.

 

[Horse1957]

Her exact words-
"we really need to shut them down and make it illegal"
She wants to shut down everything. Her and Joy Smith repeatedly say very clearly all sex work is exploitation.

Thought I had said my fill but I guess not...lol

It's ironic to me that "people" seem hell bent on trying to eliminate this "institution" that has been around for millennia... the sex industry will never disappear but rather simply "seem" to disappear with their proposals by going underground where it's almost impossible to regulate/police...is that really what they want?

Unless they have walked in the shoes of a woman left with very few options to earn a decent sufficient income to support themselves and their families, do they really don't know their hardships....(if they have then I apologize in advance)...

As most of us in this hobby seem to agree...safety and security for those who choose this profession should be the ultimate priority...traffickers, pimps and abusive partners need to be the immediate focus of concern...until such time as they solve these problems the rest are minor....and the actual decision of choice should be left to each individual person..

I hope that this is their ultimate goal...but if history has shown me anything it may not be...

 

[Loverboy78]

As most of us in this hobby seem to agree...safety and security for those who choose this profession should be the ultimate priority...traffickers, pimps and abusive partners need to be the immediate focus of concern.
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Here here!

 

[nearandfar]

There was an opportunity after the Bedford case to make some real changes. But we were dealing with Stephen Harper and the conservatives at the time and not enough was done on the client/provider front to get those real changes in.

So we ended up with Bill C-36. Which does give LE the powers to go after the traffickers, pimps, advertisers, etc. But they're just primarily focused on doing their sweeps every few months, targeting the johns and impounding cars. Progress!

Maybe the city is realizing they're committing a material benefit offence, with their licensing fees and they need to get out quick! LOL.