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Hate crimes incidents increased 97% from 142 incidents in 2019 to 280 in 2020.
Anti-Asian hate crime incidents rose by 717% from 2019 (12) to 2020 (98)

https://vancouverpoliceboard.ca/pol...0218/5-1-2102P01-Year-end-2020-KPI-Report.pdf

That's a fuck ton more in a theoretically mutli-cultural and soft city.
Can you imagine what it must be like in less "accepting" cities?
Thanks for posting some useful facts here, not that facts are enough to convince some people.

Really though, you'd have to be living in a cave on a deserted island with your head up your own ass to believe that racism against Asian folks has *not* been increasing lately.
 

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I don't know that I agree with that. There is without doubt a history of anti-Asian racism in North America, and without doubt such racism still exists. Yet, even in my parochial little town I'm seeing many Asians fully mingling and participating in society, without having to give up their Asian cultural identities. As an old white guy in a profession, I find myself working with Asian professional people on a regular basis, not because I seek them out but because they're a big part of the professions.

On the other hand, in a long professional career I have never, ever, worked with a black person. Not because I've avoided them but because they just don't have a significant presence, in the professions and social circles that I encounter. One can speculate about many possible reasons for that, but I can't help but think that one of the reasons is that it's harder for a black person to break through societal prejudices.
I didn't know where you were headed with that but well said. And I would agree. 👍
 

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I don't know that I agree with that. There is without doubt a history of anti-Asian racism in North America, and without doubt such racism still exists. Yet, even in my parochial little town I'm seeing many Asians fully mingling and participating in society, without having to give up their Asian cultural identities. As an old white guy in a profession, I find myself working with Asian professional people on a regular basis, not because I seek them out but because they're a big part of the professions.

On the other hand, in a long professional career I have never, ever, worked with a black person. Not because I've avoided them but because they just don't have a significant presence, in the professions and social circles that I encounter. One can speculate about many possible reasons for that, but I can't help but think that one of the reasons is that it's harder for a black person to break through societal prejudices.
I work with a number of companies from different parts of the world, and I guess I am the old white guy now. For me it does not take long when working with someone to no longer see colour, any colour. It's just another person. But to the point of not having a lot of black folks in certain businesses, some years ago I worked with a younger black man and I recall one dinner at a conference, him saying, "You know by all the rules I should not be here - raised by a single mom in Chicago, she determined I would go to university, excel in whatever I did and so on. A black man gaining this kind of privilege was against the odds" This was before all the lynching's going on states side but it was a sobering thought to hear it first hand from a peer that the racism was that prolific.

Since I think I have years on many here you may not remember this particular movie but it was '86-87, South African, when apartheid was in the news. Cry Freedom, the story of Steve Biko. It was an eye opener for a kid from Alberta and I remember not being able to speak for about an hour after walking out of the theater. It hit hard.
 

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This is entire thread is an excellent example of why racism against Asians is so insidious.

Out of 44 posts
  • 5 posts were about the media misrepresenting how much racism Asians face
  • 6 posts were from people about their own experience with racism even though they weren't Asian.
  • 6 posts basically saying that racism against Asian doesn't exist.
  • 6 posts focusing on racism that black people face.
Racism against Asians is basically ignored, sidetracked, or attacked. Even in a thread about Asian racism it is, at most, the secondary topic of focus.
 
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I can honestly say, I have never heard any of my white friends say anything racist about Asians, except complaining about the wealthy Chinese parking money in property in Vancouver, and making housing less affordable. I think that’s where a lot of people might have issues, but even then, it’s more about the money, than race.

My Asian friends, on the other hand, mostly originally from Hong Kong, and longer-established, are brutal in their comments about Mainland Chinese.
 

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Okay.. this is going to be a bit long and drawn out.

Portrayal of racism in media:
Racism isn't only the thing that is glorified in the media (e.g. what Cock Throppled gave examples for) although yes, that is on a rise. Its fine to question whether or not the headlines are being sensationalized, and IMO they are being sensationalized a bit, but that shouldn't take away from the fact that it ACTUALLY IS on the rise. Call it a small problem, first-world problem, or what have you, but to dismiss it as a non-issue reeks of ignorance and willfully blind to the world around them. Who it is that is committing these acts of racism doesn't change the fact that racism is still happening. Pointing a finger is just redirection.

YOUR experience with racism:
I see people here commenting "just grow thick skin"... sorry friend, you don't get to define what racism is and isn't, nor do I, and rarely is it black or white. Your supervisor calls you a chink and you dish it right back, all in good fun right? What about when you're passed for a promotion that is instead given to a non-Asian that's less qualified? Are you still that same chink? How do you draw the line? Is ignorance just bliss? We need to get out of the mindset where racism is only racism when someone is severely offended, because if you take into account the consequences the unseen/unheard accounts of racism, that can be just as damaging if not more than the blatant racism.

If you grew up in the Western society, you've likely assimilated to these racial biases whether you like it or not. Why is it that a CBC female is less likely to be attracted to an Asian male than another Asian female with less exposure to Western culture? I have had Asian female friends describe this to me, and I believe it is representative of the population: She only dates Caucasians because she doesn't find Asians attractive, and that was just what society had portrayed to her everywhere (TV, movies, representation in ads, company/community leaders, government, etc.). She knows she has these biases, but attraction isn't a light switch that can be flipped. If society works harder at removing these norms, EVERYONE would be better for it, if anything just to remove inefficiencies caused.

I see some White folks here hesitant to speak about what they know (may ironically? would be a big whooooosh on me). Sure, feel free to discuss your experience, but dismissing it because you don't see it - then you're just narrowing your world review to specifically that of your eyes.

Racism not being discussed:
I'm greatly disappointed that we choose to tackle the obvious parts of racism that are generally on the downward trend (physical and verbal attacks). The racism that no one talks about is dismissed by the media because it's difficult to sensationalize and trigger emotions in the public. You want to talk about racism against Asians? How about the hypersexualization of Asian females that was created by Western culture? And the same culture that desexualizes Asian men, depicting them meek and pushovers?

If you don't know Jeremy Lin's story, it screams racism - the exact type of racism that needs to be exposed in the world, the subconscious yet excused racism, excused in the form of ignorance. Skipping over his college recruitment, NBA draft (undrafted), free agent offers (yay! selling jerseys), right to Linsanity... initally during that run he was lauded for his high IQ, his 'scrappy' play, and playmaking. LOL! Those comparisons were made by people with subconscious biases of what Asians were - smart, gritty, never-say-die attitude - not to say Lin weren't any of these things, but that description did not match the reality of his play. In reality, he was EXTREMELY athletic, but very turnover prone and and had so-so vision for a point guard. He was just as fast (or faster depending on the metric) as the number 1 overall pick of his draft class, John Wall... but sure, let's forget his athleticism. It came to nobody's surprise that his career was never the same after his injuries, as he relied heavily on his athleticism (very quick first step) and wasn't able to transition to more niche roles like a spot up shooter. I picked this example because he was well-known, but it happened despite HUNDREDS of people that are paid hundreds of thousands, if not millions to assess and select basketball players. Then Houston Rockets GM Daryl Morey, who's a big supporter and user of basketball analytics, admitted that Jeremy Lin was ranked 15th for his draft year in his model (which surprise! doesn't factor race), but Lin was not terribly athletic when he and his scouts watched him play. They later began additional data gathering and found out he was fast as fuck, and couldn't think of a reason why they thought he was unathletic beyond the fact that he's Asian.

Now translate this to your world, what decisions are being made at your cost, without you or even the decision maker knowing? Does it make it okay if they're ignorant? What outdated biases need to be challenged?

I'm only discussing examples that pertain to Asians because that's the subject of the thread, but these biases exist to varying degrees for other races too for different subjects (yes! including you fine white folks).
 

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Okay.. this is going to be a bit long and drawn out.

Portrayal of racism in media:
Racism isn't only the thing that is glorified in the media (e.g. what Cock Throppled gave examples for) although yes, that is on a rise. Its fine to question whether or not the headlines are being sensationalized, and IMO they are being sensationalized a bit, but that shouldn't take away from the fact that it ACTUALLY IS on the rise. Call it a small problem, first-world problem, or what have you, but to dismiss it as a non-issue reeks of ignorance and willfully blind to the world around them. Who it is that is committing these acts of racism doesn't change the fact that racism is still happening. Pointing a finger is just redirection.

YOUR experience with racism:
I see people here commenting "just grow thick skin"... sorry friend, you don't get to define what racism is and isn't, nor do I, and rarely is it black or white. Your supervisor calls you a chink and you dish it right back, all in good fun right? What about when you're passed for a promotion that is instead given to a non-Asian that's less qualified? Are you still that same chink? How do you draw the line? Is ignorance just bliss? We need to get out of the mindset where racism is only racism when someone is severely offended, because if you take into account the consequences the unseen/unheard accounts of racism, that can be just as damaging if not more than the blatant racism.

If you grew up in the Western society, you've likely assimilated to these racial biases whether you like it or not. Why is it that a CBC female is less likely to be attracted to an Asian male than another Asian female with less exposure to Western culture? I have had Asian female friends describe this to me, and I believe it is representative of the population: She only dates Caucasians because she doesn't find Asians attractive, and that was just what society had portrayed to her everywhere (TV, movies, representation in ads, company/community leaders, government, etc.). She knows she has these biases, but attraction isn't a light switch that can be flipped. If society works harder at removing these norms, EVERYONE would be better for it, if anything just to remove inefficiencies caused.

I see some White folks here hesitant to speak about what they know (may ironically? would be a big whooooosh on me). Sure, feel free to discuss your experience, but dismissing it because you don't see it - then you're just narrowing your world review to specifically that of your eyes.

Racism not being discussed:
I'm greatly disappointed that we choose to tackle the obvious parts of racism that are generally on the downward trend (physical and verbal attacks). The racism that no one talks about is dismissed by the media because it's difficult to sensationalize and trigger emotions in the public. You want to talk about racism against Asians? How about the hypersexualization of Asian females that was created by Western culture? And the same culture that desexualizes Asian men, depicting them meek and pushovers?

If you don't know Jeremy Lin's story, it screams racism - the exact type of racism that needs to be exposed in the world, the subconscious yet excused racism, excused in the form of ignorance. Skipping over his college recruitment, NBA draft (undrafted), free agent offers (yay! selling jerseys), right to Linsanity... initally during that run he was lauded for his high IQ, his 'scrappy' play, and playmaking. LOL! Those comparisons were made by people with subconscious biases of what Asians were - smart, gritty, never-say-die attitude - not to say Lin weren't any of these things, but that description did not match the reality of his play. In reality, he was EXTREMELY athletic, but very turnover prone and and had so-so vision for a point guard. He was just as fast (or faster depending on the metric) as the number 1 overall pick of his draft class, John Wall... but sure, let's forget his athleticism. It came to nobody's surprise that his career was never the same after his injuries, as he relied heavily on his athleticism (very quick first step) and wasn't able to transition to more niche roles like a spot up shooter. I picked this example because he was well-known, but it happened despite HUNDREDS of people that are paid hundreds of thousands, if not millions to assess and select basketball players. Then Houston Rockets GM Daryl Morey, who's a big supporter and user of basketball analytics, admitted that Jeremy Lin was ranked 15th for his draft year in his model (which surprise! doesn't factor race), but Lin was not terribly athletic when he and his scouts watched him play. They later began additional data gathering and found out he was fast as fuck, and couldn't think of a reason why they thought he was unathletic beyond the fact that he's Asian.

Now translate this to your world, what decisions are being made at your cost, without you or even the decision maker knowing? Does it make it okay if they're ignorant? What outdated biases need to be challenged?

I'm only discussing examples that pertain to Asians because that's the subject of the thread, but these biases exist to varying degrees for other races too for different subjects (yes! including you fine white folks).
Yep people need thicker skin. I don't understand how people can live their lives being offended by something people say. Either ignore them or.... grow a thicker skin. Not too hard. And if my boss give a promotion to a non-Asian that's less qualified, then I'll just go find another job. After giving him shit of course. Would probably take me a couple days to find a new place. Why would I remain in a company where some dumbass gets paid more than me while I have more skills? Good thing my current boss is too smart for that.
 

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Racism makes me sad. I hold out hope for the future. I think inter racial relationships can help bridge the gap and build understanding.

Kind hearted people need to step up and be heard, to offset some of the hate.

Teach your children well.

Lefty
 

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Yep people need thicker skin. I don't understand how people can live their lives being offended by something people say. Either ignore them or.... grow a thicker skin. Not too hard. And if my boss give a promotion to a non-Asian that's less qualified, then I'll just go find another job. After giving him shit of course. Would probably take me a couple days to find a new place. Why would I remain in a company where some dumbass gets paid more than me while I have more skills? Good thing my current boss is too smart for that.
So whereas I strongly agree with everything you're saying, I'll admit that I'm coming from a place of privilege. Not everyone can so easily change jobs, for example.
 
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Okay.. this is going to be a bit long and drawn out.

Portrayal of racism in media:
Racism isn't only the thing that is glorified in the media (e.g. what Cock Throppled gave examples for) although yes, that is on a rise. Its fine to question whether or not the headlines are being sensationalized, and IMO they are being sensationalized a bit, but that shouldn't take away from the fact that it ACTUALLY IS on the rise. Call it a small problem, first-world problem, or what have you, but to dismiss it as a non-issue reeks of ignorance and willfully blind to the world around them. Who it is that is committing these acts of racism doesn't change the fact that racism is still happening. Pointing a finger is just redirection.

YOUR experience with racism:
I see people here commenting "just grow thick skin"... sorry friend, you don't get to define what racism is and isn't, nor do I, and rarely is it black or white. Your supervisor calls you a chink and you dish it right back, all in good fun right? What about when you're passed for a promotion that is instead given to a non-Asian that's less qualified? Are you still that same chink? How do you draw the line? Is ignorance just bliss? We need to get out of the mindset where racism is only racism when someone is severely offended, because if you take into account the consequences the unseen/unheard accounts of racism, that can be just as damaging if not more than the blatant racism.

If you grew up in the Western society, you've likely assimilated to these racial biases whether you like it or not. Why is it that a CBC female is less likely to be attracted to an Asian male than another Asian female with less exposure to Western culture? I have had Asian female friends describe this to me, and I believe it is representative of the population: She only dates Caucasians because she doesn't find Asians attractive, and that was just what society had portrayed to her everywhere (TV, movies, representation in ads, company/community leaders, government, etc.). She knows she has these biases, but attraction isn't a light switch that can be flipped. If society works harder at removing these norms, EVERYONE would be better for it, if anything just to remove inefficiencies caused.

I see some White folks here hesitant to speak about what they know (may ironically? would be a big whooooosh on me). Sure, feel free to discuss your experience, but dismissing it because you don't see it - then you're just narrowing your world review to specifically that of your eyes.

Racism not being discussed:
I'm greatly disappointed that we choose to tackle the obvious parts of racism that are generally on the downward trend (physical and verbal attacks). The racism that no one talks about is dismissed by the media because it's difficult to sensationalize and trigger emotions in the public. You want to talk about racism against Asians? How about the hypersexualization of Asian females that was created by Western culture? And the same culture that desexualizes Asian men, depicting them meek and pushovers?

If you don't know Jeremy Lin's story, it screams racism - the exact type of racism that needs to be exposed in the world, the subconscious yet excused racism, excused in the form of ignorance. Skipping over his college recruitment, NBA draft (undrafted), free agent offers (yay! selling jerseys), right to Linsanity... initally during that run he was lauded for his high IQ, his 'scrappy' play, and playmaking. LOL! Those comparisons were made by people with subconscious biases of what Asians were - smart, gritty, never-say-die attitude - not to say Lin weren't any of these things, but that description did not match the reality of his play. In reality, he was EXTREMELY athletic, but very turnover prone and and had so-so vision for a point guard. He was just as fast (or faster depending on the metric) as the number 1 overall pick of his draft class, John Wall... but sure, let's forget his athleticism. It came to nobody's surprise that his career was never the same after his injuries, as he relied heavily on his athleticism (very quick first step) and wasn't able to transition to more niche roles like a spot up shooter. I picked this example because he was well-known, but it happened despite HUNDREDS of people that are paid hundreds of thousands, if not millions to assess and select basketball players. Then Houston Rockets GM Daryl Morey, who's a big supporter and user of basketball analytics, admitted that Jeremy Lin was ranked 15th for his draft year in his model (which surprise! doesn't factor race), but Lin was not terribly athletic when he and his scouts watched him play. They later began additional data gathering and found out he was fast as fuck, and couldn't think of a reason why they thought he was unathletic beyond the fact that he's Asian.

Now translate this to your world, what decisions are being made at your cost, without you or even the decision maker knowing? Does it make it okay if they're ignorant? What outdated biases need to be challenged?

I'm only discussing examples that pertain to Asians because that's the subject of the thread, but these biases exist to varying degrees for other races too for different subjects (yes! including you fine white folks).
Racism is racism. Folks in this thread have pulled the topic back to Asian racism, but the issue is broader and its ugly head continues to rise up no matter where people are from. I tend to believe that we, and that is a collective we, are all tribal trying to defend our little fife-doms. We learn to do that to protect our people from outsiders and try to hold onto whatever power we perceive we have. (same goes for misogamy but that's another topic). It gives rise to learning about racism as a protection mechanism. Look at a bunch of little kids playing together, black, red, brown, colours don't matter, little boys, little girls, they don't care. They're just a bunch of little kids who haven't learned about the other side of the tracks.

The current anti Asian shit going on obviously is a reaction to covid, but turn back the clock a bit to when the Hong Kong people started coming to the lower mainland and buying up property, having kids to anchor the astronaut family, that brought about a batch of racism. It's ugly and disgusting but racism is firmly anchored in pretty much every culture. The comments g-eazy makes here may be the best encapsulation of the topic. and the comment about translating this to your world. Your mindfulness. Is that a solution? Fuck if I know, I'm just a guy trying to poon my way to some happiness and trying to be a nice guy along the way but at least being aware is a start.
 
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Accepting racism by ignoring it or growing thicker skin is exactly why racism still exists against asians. You make yourself an easy target by not fighting back, they will continue to target you. Do you think these racists will go up to a bunch of black guys and call them the N word? No because black guys won't just accept it by having thicker skin, they will beat the living shit out of that racist.

OK you quit, your boss will just find another person to replace you, probably a non-asian. no harm done. He/she doesn't give two shits about you and if they were a racist, they will continue being that way. You are just running away from the problem, a reason why asians don't get respect.
Who says I don't fight back? I don't beat someone up just because they call me some slurs. That's for low-lifes. It's tougher to not resort to violence. I just talk back to them. Pretty easy really. Once they realize they can't hurt my feelings the remarks either stop or continue in banter. That's what happens on a construction site. Wouldn't work somewhere like an office though so wouldn't recommend.

And what if boss finds another guy to replace me? No harm done to him and to me either. If he wants to spend hundreds of hours training a new guy then it's on him while I can jump straight into another place with my skills. If a boss is that dumb then I'd better be working somewhere else anyway. I don't give a damn about respect. I don't need respect from just anyone, that's dumb. Never could understand the obsession with respect. Are people that desperate to get respect from strangers?
 

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its called respect yall woke media creating problems racism thing of past.
Racism is a thing of the past? What a joke. You must not be paying attention to...much of anything happening in the world right now?

Unless you mean it is a thing of the past, and ALSO a thing of the present, in the same way that Mitch Hedberg talked about drugs: "I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too".
 
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And this is why asians guys will continue to face racism, people like you just accepts it while it continues to affects all of us. Talking back or quitting your job won't do shit, they will still think your subhuman. If you don't respect even yourself, why bother living. Continue living in your bubble oblivious to the real world. You make it sound like your a tough guy but your just running away from your issues. The fact that you are asian yet try to dismiss the issue and siding with the racists causes great harm to all of us. Think of your future children or your parents. Oh wait you can't because you don't respect them.
LOL sure thing buddy. Keep on getting offended at everything. I don't how how people like you can live like that. I can't. What makes you think I give a shit if they think I'm subhuman? Do you also care about everything people say about you too? Once again: I don't how how people like you can live like that. I can't. Where do you even find time in your life for that? Asian, black, white, brown guys will continue to face racism. Man up and don't be a bitch and cry about it. Oh my parents are tough buddy. Where do you think I learned this from? Not from sensitive people like you that's for sure. God I hate people like you. Glad I don't have to work or associate with one of you. One good thing about you is that this is a good break from studying so thanks for that.
 

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ok buddy, keep sticking your head up your ass then. I hate people like you too, you literally are the representative for why racism continues against asians today. Hopefully you don't procreate because your children will probably want to throw themselves off a bridge being associated with you.
Thank you. I appreciate it. And I will not have kids because I value your input and I am ashamed of myself.



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Racism is alive and well in Canada 🇨🇦. You'd be amazed how often I get called chug, wagon burner etc. Even at work, some gutless coward scribbled chug on my tool box. All demographics are racist,young, old,male,female, rich and poor.
I'm sorry you had to go through that brother. I automatically respect indigenous people more then any people on this land. Because after all, it's YOUR land. Everybody else needs to EARN my respect!

My apologies if I offend anyone with this statement, but it's how I really feel. :)
 

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So whereas I strongly agree with everything you're saying, I'll admit that I'm coming from a place of privilege. Not everyone can so easily change jobs, for example.
I think this thread is a prime example of why racism and discrimination is so rampant. People apply only what they know to discrimination, but aren't open to the idea that different kinds of discrimination can affect people differently.

Discrimination is systematic. There's no 'running away' to your next job because I'm sure everyone knows what systematic means. Sure one can 'suck it up, and if they want to live with that as someone with 'thick skin' (sure sounds tough...), but I'd rather choose to fight these biases and encourage others to do the same. Society can only benefit from it.

That or you can take the selfish route and do what's only best for you. Understanding your privilege is understanding all the things that benefitted you without any of your own doing. We tend to think we have control of all aspects of our lives, but the more I've experienced life, the less I free will I believe we have - and racial discrimination plays a part in that.
 

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Racism makes me sad. I hold out hope for the future. I think inter racial relationships can help bridge the gap and build understanding.

Kind hearted people need to step up and be heard, to offset some of the hate.

Teach your children well.

Lefty
Unfortunately I don't see that happening, based on what I have witnessed. Last time I talked about this, people accused me of supporting white supremacy or something and refused to accept that it does exist and it influences even interracial marriages.

You think that interracial relationships can help bridge the gap, what really happens is that mixed race kids often grow up having negative perception of their mother/father's race, whichever one is the minority race.

I have seen many racist guys dating an Asian woman, while shamelessly being racist towards Asian men or the Asian community.

I saw this clip on Instagram, where three generations of mixed women, grandma, mother and daughter showing up one by one. In the clip you can see that grandma is purely Asian. Mother has the half Asian half White mixed look. And lastly the daughter looks indistinguishable from an average white girl. It broke my heart. Yes, three generations of interracial marriages, but it's always white male with minority female, for THREE generations.

So no, interracial marriages don't always help bridge gaps between majority and minority races. Sometimes, it reinforces racist supremacy ideology and forces minority cultures and identities to die out.
 
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... God I hate people like you.
I hate people like you too
Seriously guys? Are you thinking before responding? Here we are discussing racism, and I think we can all agree that "racism is bad", and yet here we are spreading hate!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Hate and racism are very closely related. So why spread more hate?! I just don't get it.

Frankly I hope no one EVER hears the words "I hate {any person, race, gender, whatever}" come out of my mouth for as long as I live.
 
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