another taser incident

[EP_Dog]

Perhaps the inability to strike a less lethal spot is simply due to inadequate training, eh? Perhaps you forget that prison gaurds are trained to aim for the feet, using the richochet to disable a prisoner? Skill, training, nerves... it isn't a physical imposibility..

The one thing that you missed considering is that when firing a live round, is what is behind your intended target should you miss? (though I've never heard of directed richochets) Not everyone is a cool and collected "one shot one kill" markman. Richochets in a prison yard are one thing, but in a crowded street or other public place? Center of mass is your best bet on placing the round in the target and not off to god knows where.

 

[ma1234]

The remaining case is our infamous Vancouver case which has yet to play out. Now, if tasers were banned altogether, in the vast majority of those thousands of cases across North America, the police would have been left with little choice but to utilize their handguns. I wonder how many of those thousands of cases would have been fatal with a bullet ripping through a body at 1500 feet per second.
.

You mean they would have shot the Polish guy in front of all those passangers?

I doubt it!

 

[Pantherdash]

You mean they would have shot the Polish guy in front of all those passangers?

I doubt it!

Yes they would have. The fact of the matter is he posed a serious threat to the four constables, by foolishly turning around and brandishing a stapler that at first appeared as a knife. Now I know many of you will ask how much damage can be done with a stapler, assuming that now the four had recognized it as such and not a knife. A pretty serious threat! How much damage do you think a stapler would make when striking someone in the temple? The four were not about to take any risks and therefore deployed their tasers, justifiably so. It was not a good move on Dziekanski's part to suddenly make an aggressive move.

And yet others will say that he just stepped off an airplane and would not have had any weapons. How do the police know he didn't have any weapons? How do they know he's not on serious mind-altering drugs (like cocaine or PCP) which would make him extremely aggressive and very difficult to control and arrest? He was after all a large man.

just to illustrate how a situation can suddenly go sideways, a case in point concerning the VPD responding to a call last summer of a disturbed man on Granville and 15th. He had a weapon and they managed to get it away from him without incident. He surrendered and the officers were in the process of placing him in handcuffs when suddenly he turns around and strikes the arresting officer in the head with a padlock attached to a chain. The struck officer collapses and several futile warnings were given to the man to drop his weapon until officers had no choice but to shoot him. No taser unit was on scene, therefore the only option was to shoot him. Hand-to-hand combat was not an option as he had struck an officer with a deadly weapon as they approached him to place him in custody. Tasers are now used to avoid such risky hand-to hand combat scenerios. Officers rarely have an accurate idea of how aggressive individuals will become once they approach them.

We as citizens can never have a clear picture of what goes through a cop's mind when dealing with situations of this sort, therefore I think it is pretty disrespectful and naive for people to make judgement calls as to how they handle certain situations. They have dealt with hundreds of similar cases before and have had training on how to deal with these situations and they generally go into these scenerios with the best intentions but at the same time keeping their personal safety as their priority.

The only criticism I have of the RCMP is 1) one of the Constables placing his knee on the back of Dziekanski's neck AFTER he's been handcuffed and 2) the whiteshirts at the RCMP trying to cover it up by refusing to give Prichert his video back, until he hired a lawyer. But I can understand why the RCMP wanted to keep it out of the public eye. It was dynamite that they knew the media was going to exploit to the bitter end and they certainly are doing that now, meanwhile Prichert is getting rich off a video depicting another man's death. It's so easy to take the media's side on this matter who are using the video to great effect, without taking into account how stressful this situation was for the four members who had to deal with this man.

And yes I feel bad for the loss of this man's life and the loss to his family but I think he maybe could have done a little more to keep himself out of this situation. He talked about learning English yet he arrives here to start a new life and doesn't know a lick of English. He had been up for more than a day and it was getting the better of him. Did he think throwing a laptop and furniture around was going to help him? It certainly gave him the attention he wanted. At this point how else do you think the police were going to deal with him. As a man who simply wants to be understood or as an aggressor? Obviously the latter. Further compounding Dziekanski's situation is his stupidly aggressive move of suddenly turning around and brandishing a weapon. What was he thinking?!?

I think you guys need to take into consideration some facts that don't at first glance appear obvious, especially when it is so unscrupulously obscured by the media and by your limited knowledge of police tactics. Quit armchair judging the situation and try to understand it from the perspective of the four Mounties before you equate them to common criminals. Do you think they woke up that day, got on shift and decided that today was the day they were going to kill a man and ruin a family's life? Situations like these are extremely stressful on police officers and their familes, who sometimes wish that it was they who were killed and not the way it happened. These guys were just doing their job and it was by the book. The only other choice they had besides tasering him was to shoot him. It's unfortunate that he died but he placed himself in a very unpredictable and bizzare situation that he could have avoided. He's not exactly the saint he's painted out to be.

10-7

Panther

 

[Pantherdash]

I agree with everyone speaking on this subject EXCEPT the idiot, Pantherdash.

What kind of irrational comeback is that. An immature stupid reply to intelligent and compassionate contributors on this board. Just because you don’t agree does not give you the right to insult and malign their opinions. Calling people on this board, “Dumb Fucks” is rude and disrespectful and suggests, at least in your mind, that we’re all stupid and, somehow you’re the genius.

Give them (the cops) a break you say. “Would you have prefered if the guy was shot with a .40 calibre pistol!?!? These cops are protecting their own lives etc”….

Protecting themselves from whom I ask. Give them a break?? I’m sure somewhere on this planet that some cops indeed may be `Taser-Justified` but not in the situations we’re discussing. Far too many Taser-Totting idiots with badges and runaway testosterone. The deaf man in Wichita (Donnell Williams),.. the lady in the wheelchair,.. the recent death in the Maritimes,.. the poor motorist in Omaha. The list is long and if you paid attention, it isn’t very flattering. Of course we can’t forget our very own Taser-Happy RCMP at YVR .

“Thou doth protest too much” (Hamlet) You fit the profile. You protest too much. Are you married to a cop?... Are you a cop?... Maybe you’re an auxiliary cop, but not a `real` one. Maybe you fantasize about being a cop. Or, maybe, just maybe you are what most of us realise,…just an idiot.

And finally. Police investigating themselves is about as ridiculous as allowing Brian Mulroney to investigate himself.

The only reason police investigate themselves is to avoid morons like you assessing a situation that you have no idea about. Only police understand how and if police procedure is followed and what goes on in their head when they're dealing with a situation. The intelligent and compassionate contributers on this board have their heads up their ass because they're not seeing the full scenerio.

This sudden spike of taser incidents is simply the media ca$hing in on a situation that went sideways that incidently was captured on film. I can see they have succeeded in convincing your little brain. Now begone little man!

Panther

 

[hunsperger]

This sudden spike of taser incidents is simply the media ca$hing in on a situation that went sideways that incidently was captured on film.Panther

panther is the only one who has figured this out...

the rest of you are nothing but herd animals that are being manipulated by the media...

this happens because the majority of people are incapable of critical analysis and are driven by emotion rather than logic...

panther, keep up the good work...

 

[ma1234]

Panther, I have two comments to your post.

1. What exactly is so stressful for the Vancouver Airport police? What are they doing all day long? If I was cynical I would say, couldn't they finish the donut or had to finish playing cards?

2. I don't know much about Poland, but maybe where this guy came from this is the way to get authorities' attention. You throw a fit and they are forced to deal with you. Obviously, they ignored the guy for 8 hours. Why? Who knows how important it was for him to ask or communicate something? We will never know what he really wanted. His medicine? A doctor's help? What did he want?

I think if this had happened to another immigrant like Chinese or East Indian they would have explained it as a cultural difference.

 

[smackyo]

Yes they would have. The fact of the matter is he posed a serious threat to the four constables, by foolishly turning around and brandishing a stapler that at first appeared as a knife. Now I know many of you will ask how much damage can be done with a stapler, assuming that now the four had recognized it as such and not a knife. A pretty serious threat! How much damage do you think a stapler would make when striking someone in the temple? The four were not about to take any risks and therefore deployed their tasers, justifiably so. It was not a good move on Dziekanski's part to suddenly make an aggressive move.

And yet others will say that he just stepped off an airplane and would not have had any weapons. How do the police know he didn't have any weapons? How do they know he's not on serious mind-altering drugs (like cocaine or PCP) which would make him extremely aggressive and very difficult to control and arrest? He was after all a large man.

just to illustrate how a situation can suddenly go sideways, a case in point concerning the VPD responding to a call last summer of a disturbed man on Granville and 15th. He had a weapon and they managed to get it away from him without incident. He surrendered and the officers were in the process of placing him in handcuffs when suddenly he turns around and strikes the arresting officer in the head with a padlock attached to a chain. The struck officer collapses and several futile warnings were given to the man to drop his weapon until officers had no choice but to shoot him. No taser unit was on scene, therefore the only option was to shoot him. Hand-to-hand combat was not an option as he had struck an officer with a deadly weapon as they approached him to place him in custody. Tasers are now used to avoid such risky hand-to hand combat scenerios. Officers rarely have an accurate idea of how aggressive individuals will become once they approach them.

We as citizens can never have a clear picture of what goes through a cop's mind when dealing with situations of this sort, therefore I think it is pretty disrespectful and naive for people to make judgement calls as to how they handle certain situations. They have dealt with hundreds of similar cases before and have had training on how to deal with these situations and they generally go into these scenerios with the best intentions but at the same time keeping their personal safety as their priority.

The only criticism I have of the RCMP is 1) one of the Constables placing his knee on the back of Dziekanski's neck AFTER he's been handcuffed and 2) the whiteshirts at the RCMP trying to cover it up by refusing to give Prichert his video back, until he hired a lawyer. But I can understand why the RCMP wanted to keep it out of the public eye. It was dynamite that they knew the media was going to exploit to the bitter end and they certainly are doing that now, meanwhile Prichert is getting rich off a video depicting another man's death. It's so easy to take the media's side on this matter who are using the video to great effect, without taking into account how stressful this situation was for the four members who had to deal with this man.

And yes I feel bad for the loss of this man's life and the loss to his family but I think he maybe could have done a little more to keep himself out of this situation. He talked about learning English yet he arrives here to start a new life and doesn't know a lick of English. He had been up for more than a day and it was getting the better of him. Did he think throwing a laptop and furniture around was going to help him? It certainly gave him the attention he wanted. At this point how else do you think the police were going to deal with him. As a man who simply wants to be understood or as an aggressor? Obviously the latter. Further compounding Dziekanski's situation is his stupidly aggressive move of suddenly turning around and brandishing a weapon. What was he thinking?!?

I think you guys need to take into consideration some facts that don't at first glance appear obvious, especially when it is so unscrupulously obscured by the media and by your limited knowledge of police tactics. Quit armchair judging the situation and try to understand it from the perspective of the four Mounties before you equate them to common criminals. Do you think they woke up that day, got on shift and decided that today was the day they were going to kill a man and ruin a family's life? Situations like these are extremely stressful on police officers and their familes, who sometimes wish that it was they who were killed and not the way it happened. These guys were just doing their job and it was by the book. The only other choice they had besides tasering him was to shoot him. It's unfortunate that he died but he placed himself in a very unpredictable and bizzare situation that he could have avoided. He's not exactly the saint he's painted out to be.

10-7

Panther

your logic is akin to that of an idiot.

you probibly are a cop on an escort website. whats gonna happen when you get busted??? have fun.

lets also not forget that "they were just doing their job" when none of them performed cpr on robert after they him handcuffed. it has also come to light that they wouldn't even remove the handcuffs when asked by the firefighters that showed up to perform cpr on him.

they finally relented when paramedics got there and asked that the cuffs be removed.

i've gone to high school with many people that have for whatever reason become cops. out of the 9 that i know that became officers, i'm comfortable with 2 of them having that job. the others are red neck power trippin racists.

there are good and bad in every job out there so defend the good by all means cause there are good officers out there but don't let yourself look like such an idiot by defending the bad.

 

[hunsperger]

What exactly is so stressful for the Vancouver Airport police? What are they doing all day long? If I was cynical I would say, couldn't they finish the donut or had to finish playing cards?

ma1234...

i have always enjoyed your posts and consider you to be one of the more thoughtful people around...

you are a champion of the underdog and have a strong sense of justice...

that said, that quote is beneath you...

that is the kind of thing you would read in the Vancouver Province...

just beneath the b spears crotch grabbing story...

 

[smackyo]

panther is the only one who has figured this out...

the rest of you are nothing but herd animals that are being manipulated by the media...

this happens because the majority of people are incapable of critical analysis and are driven by emotion rather than logic...

panther, keep up the good work...

how about the fact that now it is actually being reported instead of ignored. how many happened in the past that we don't know about because there is no video of it?

the tazer is a less lethal alternative and i do believe that police should have them. however it should not be used as a "weapon of compliance" how bout do you fucking job officers. four huge officers against one guy and thats the best they could do. they took less then 30 seconds to determine that a tazer had to be used.

how about the 67 year old man that was tazered in edmonton while taking pictures of the police actions after an oilers stanley cup game win? he's a lawyer and i'm pretty sure he knew he was within his rights to stand on public property and photograph the police while they were "just doing their job.".

he was not obstructing or causing a disturbance and because he wouldn't move along like the raging bitch female officer told him she tazered him.

just doing their job eh? fucking wake up.

 

[hunsperger]

your logic is akin to that of an idiot.

you probibly are a cop on an escort website. whats gonna happen when you get busted??? have fun.

lets also not forget that "they were just doing their job" when none of them performed cpr on robert after they him handcuffed. it has also come to light that they wouldn't even remove the handcuffs when asked by the firefighters that showed up to perform cpr on him.

they finally relented when paramedics got there and asked that the cuffs be removed.

i've gone to high school with many people that have for whatever reason become cops. out of the 9 that i know that became officers, i'm comfortable with 2 of them having that job. the others are red neck power trippin racists.

there are good and bad in every job out there so defend the good by all means cause there are good officers out there but don't let yourself look like such an idiot by defending the bad.

i don't think panther is saying that in hindsight everything went perfect...

he is saying that this story needs some context...

he is also saying the media is throwing gas on the flames...

if there were breaches in protocol after the tasering than they must be addressed...

however, that does not make the decision to use the taser in and of itself wrong...

the fact that we have umpteen million (exaggeration) threads discussing this story tells me that some people may have a hidden agenda...

as you say nobody is perfect, why should we expect it of cops...

 

[smackyo]

i don't expect the police to be perfect but i expect them to use their heads. four against one is pretty good odds that they could get him under control without having to do what they did.

so what of context??? a picture tells a thousand words right? well that video showed me enough and lets not forget about how they lied to us to begin with and made it sound like he was a raving lunatic that was still throwing things around when the police had arrived. lets also not forget that they didn't even want to give the tape back to the owner of it cause they knew they fucked up and they knew that we would all see them for what they were in this instance which is liars.

i've worked jobs as security and in my younger days doing security and bouncing for after hours clubs and such. i'm a fairly big guy and can hold my own but there were times when i had to go against bigger and i was never armed or at times didn't have the luxury of "back up" and not once did someone die while i detained them.

hell for that matter the best situations were the ones i defused with words and communication not taking 24 seconds to determine well this guy can't speak english and i want to show how big my cock is so lets use the taser.

what a bunch of fucking cowboys these so called idiot officers are becoming (and that doesn't mean all of them). we'll see how un - flinching both of you are with your un - conditional support of any police actions when it is you being busted and tasered, cause thats the fact. it could happen to anyone.

 

[smackyo]

Yes they would have. The fact of the matter is he posed a serious threat to the four constables, by foolishly turning around and brandishing a stapler that at first appeared as a knife. Now I know many of you will ask how much damage can be done with a stapler, assuming that now the four had recognized it as such and not a knife. A pretty serious threat! How much damage do you think a stapler would make when striking someone in the temple? The four were not about to take any risks and therefore deployed their tasers, justifiably so. It was not a good move on Dziekanski's part to suddenly make an aggressive move.

And yet others will say that he just stepped off an airplane and would not have had any weapons. How do the police know he didn't have any weapons? How do they know he's not on serious mind-altering drugs (like cocaine or PCP) which would make him extremely aggressive and very difficult to control and arrest? He was after all a large man.

just to illustrate how a situation can suddenly go sideways, a case in point concerning the VPD responding to a call last summer of a disturbed man on Granville and 15th. He had a weapon and they managed to get it away from him without incident. He surrendered and the officers were in the process of placing him in handcuffs when suddenly he turns around and strikes the arresting officer in the head with a padlock attached to a chain. The struck officer collapses and several futile warnings were given to the man to drop his weapon until officers had no choice but to shoot him. No taser unit was on scene, therefore the only option was to shoot him. Hand-to-hand combat was not an option as he had struck an officer with a deadly weapon as they approached him to place him in custody. Tasers are now used to avoid such risky hand-to hand combat scenerios. Officers rarely have an accurate idea of how aggressive individuals will become once they approach them.

We as citizens can never have a clear picture of what goes through a cop's mind when dealing with situations of this sort, therefore I think it is pretty disrespectful and naive for people to make judgement calls as to how they handle certain situations. They have dealt with hundreds of similar cases before and have had training on how to deal with these situations and they generally go into these scenerios with the best intentions but at the same time keeping their personal safety as their priority.

The only criticism I have of the RCMP is 1) one of the Constables placing his knee on the back of Dziekanski's neck AFTER he's been handcuffed and 2) the whiteshirts at the RCMP trying to cover it up by refusing to give Prichert his video back, until he hired a lawyer. But I can understand why the RCMP wanted to keep it out of the public eye. It was dynamite that they knew the media was going to exploit to the bitter end and they certainly are doing that now, meanwhile Prichert is getting rich off a video depicting another man's death. It's so easy to take the media's side on this matter who are using the video to great effect, without taking into account how stressful this situation was for the four members who had to deal with this man.

And yes I feel bad for the loss of this man's life and the loss to his family but I think he maybe could have done a little more to keep himself out of this situation. He talked about learning English yet he arrives here to start a new life and doesn't know a lick of English. He had been up for more than a day and it was getting the better of him. Did he think throwing a laptop and furniture around was going to help him? It certainly gave him the attention he wanted. At this point how else do you think the police were going to deal with him. As a man who simply wants to be understood or as an aggressor? Obviously the latter. Further compounding Dziekanski's situation is his stupidly aggressive move of suddenly turning around and brandishing a weapon. What was he thinking?!?

I think you guys need to take into consideration some facts that don't at first glance appear obvious, especially when it is so unscrupulously obscured by the media and by your limited knowledge of police tactics. Quit armchair judging the situation and try to understand it from the perspective of the four Mounties before you equate them to common criminals. Do you think they woke up that day, got on shift and decided that today was the day they were going to kill a man and ruin a family's life? Situations like these are extremely stressful on police officers and their familes, who sometimes wish that it was they who were killed and not the way it happened. These guys were just doing their job and it was by the book. The only other choice they had besides tasering him was to shoot him. It's unfortunate that he died but he placed himself in a very unpredictable and bizzare situation that he could have avoided. He's not exactly the saint he's painted out to be.

10-7

Panther

oh and just to clarify, tasers are not there to avoid hand to hand combat. i've heard cop after cop in interviews say that it is a last resort before the use of a firearm. they have multiple other options to use before a taser.

lets also take a look at the fact that they didn't decide to use the taser once robert picked up the stapler. numerous witness reports said they heard the officers before even making contact with robert saying "lets get the tasers ready" or words to that effect. they had already made up their mind when they strode in there like a bunch of fucking big cocked cowboys and took all of 24 seconds to communicate with this man.

the video also shows robert picking the stapler up, it does not show him making a move with it until he was tasered and murdered by the people that are supposed to be there to help and protect us.

if that is how the police deal with one confused man that can't speak english then i shudder to think what its going to be like during the olympics.

 

[Pantherdash]

oh and just to clarify, tasers are not there to avoid hand to hand combat. i've heard cop after cop in interviews say that it is a last resort before the use of a firearm. they have multiple other options to use before a taser.

lets also take a look at the fact that they didn't decide to use the taser once robert picked up the stapler. numerous witness reports said they heard the officers before even making contact with robert saying "lets get the tasers ready" or words to that effect. they had already made up their mind when they strode in there like a bunch of fucking big cocked cowboys and took all of 24 seconds to communicate with this man.

the video also shows robert picking the stapler up, it does not show him making a move with it until he was tasered and murdered by the people that are supposed to be there to help and protect us.

if that is how the police deal with one confused man that can't speak english then i shudder to think what its going to be like during the olympics.

Wow. You really have NO ANY idea do you?!?!

Panther

 

[smackyo]

Wow. You really have NO ANY idea do you?!?!

Panther

coming from somene that presents the views you do, i'll take that as the utmost of compliments.

let me ask you this. have you ever been in a situation on the regular where you had to detain someone or de-escalate a potentially violent situation on a regular basis? if no then you have no right to tell me what a clue is buddy cause i've been there.

the situations i've faced at times can be every bit as dangerous as some things that police deal with.

any job in which you are given access to numerous "toys" that take life or cause phyiscal pain legally should rightly be scruninized to the highest degree.

perhaps you are the one that needs "a clue" whatever that means to you. so go on in your 1950's fantasy world that every cop is a good cop and they are always totally justified.

christ sake man, me and three of my buddies could have handled that situation with robert better and he'd still be alive.

 

[Olmac]

 

[Pantherdash]

how about the fact that now it is actually being reported instead of ignored. how many happened in the past that we don't know about because there is no video of it?

the tazer is a less lethal alternative and i do believe that police should have them. however it should not be used as a "weapon of compliance" how bout do you fucking job officers. four huge officers against one guy and thats the best they could do. they took less then 30 seconds to determine that a tazer had to be used.

how about the 67 year old man that was tazered in edmonton while taking pictures of the police actions after an oilers stanley cup game win? he's a lawyer and i'm pretty sure he knew he was within his rights to stand on public property and photograph the police while they were "just doing their job.".

he was not obstructing or causing a disturbance and because he wouldn't move along like the raging bitch female officer told him she tazered him.

just doing their job eh? fucking wake up.

If you are told by a police officer to move along then you should comply, or expect anything. Why would he place himself in that situation if he knew he was within his rights to stay there? It was crowd control and police are trying to diffuse a potential riot. Move along!

As for your comment that four huge officers couldn't control him physically so they used the taser on him, I have seen 6 officers try to control ONE man...it's not as easy as you think. And if you do so yourself you would be an idiot. These officers had no idea what he may have been on or if he was a martial artist, or was hiding another weapon. He was clearly a danger and a threat to the officers and that gave them the right to use an appropriate use of force to subdue him. If inclined to put up a fight with police, these people will be much more combative than with a bouncer or security guard because they know that police have weapons to subdue them. It's not a very smart thing to try to be resistant with the police. Add to that a possible criminal charge and it's absolutely moronic.

Jesus Christ, a bouncer is trying to criticize how police do their work? I was right, you are a moron!

And thanks Hunsperger for your support. People are such lemmings, eh?

Panther

 

[smackyo]

i'm actually not a bouncer any more, nor do i do security anymore. for someone that is not a cop you seem to know (or think you know) an awful lot about what cops go through and what they think.

so unless you are a cop or at the very least have had experience in defusing potentially dangerous situations i suggest maybe you not open your mouth again on this matter.

fact is sir that many cops have come out in condemnation of what they saw on that video. top cop after top cop have come out and said that tasers are next to a gun a last resort tool. how many things did you see those idiot officers try in those 24 seconds?

also crowd control eh? whatever. the guy was a 67 year old man with a camera. wow he must be a real threat eh. get a fucking brain dude. police brutality is getting worse and thats a fact. i don't care what it is you say they go through. fact is they took the job knowing what they would have to deal with.

i'm not anti cop. i'm anti idiot cop or anti cops that show no common sense. it may surprise you but i actually have a couple of friends on the vpd as well as friends on different forces in ontario and one that is with the rcmp.

i even thought about it but ultimately decided that i didn't think i could handle what they would have to see on a daily basis so its something that i didn't persue. i've even been kind of recruited in a way by police officers but i know that its not my cup of tea. more officers i'm sure if they were honest with themselves would come to that conclusion, instead they lie to themselves and these are some of idiots we have out there today.

your un-conditionl support of the police even when given irrefutable evidence otherwise is borderline delusional.

also to tell me that i don't know what i'm talking about or don't know about taking someone down or what it is????? sorry sir but it was my profession for 9 years so i know a little something. i did and dealt with what a lot of cops deal with only with a lot less tools at my disposal.

 

[Pantherdash]

fact is sir that many cops have come out in condemnation of what they saw on that video. top cop after top cop have come out and said that tasers are next to a gun a last resort tool. how many things did you see those idiot officers try in those 24 seconds?

It is evident that you HAVE NOT talked to ANY cops on this matter because they would have told you different. And don't call me sir! My father's name was sir! You can refer to me as Panther.

And hey, you're just a useless PIMP. You have NO credabilty with me whatsover. You make your living off some weak-brained bitch's ass that you coerced!

The fact is that, in a similar situation in which you get a call of a DISTURBED FUCK, let's call him smackyo, and the discription of this guy registers previous violence, yes within the last few minutes counts (smackyo tells me he likes to fight...with small women), or, in the case of Dziekanski he had been throwing furniture and expensive things, like a laptop around, he MAY be combative. I want to go home in the morning to my wife and kids and fuck Smackyo and whoever else I'm coming into contact with, this guy is going down if I know he WILL be combative.

DO YOU have any idea what transpires in 24 seconds!?!?! A man of his height can cover 21 feet in 2 seconds easily! And who knows what he has in his hands, or in his waistband!

They communicated that they should try the taser BECAUSE they knew he was already combative and based on that info it was ALREADY an option.

You ever read Joseph Wambaugh? Right, stupid question, PIMP! Maybe you should, because in it you'll get an excellent (even though dated) description of what it's like to be a cop and in this book you'll realize that the use of force is ALWAYS ahead of CRIMINALS! SHEESH they place themselves in that situation. I know Dziekanski was not a criminal but he made himself LOOK like a criminal by doing what he did, namely throwing heavy objects around to rouse attention. What was he thinking?!?!?

And this 67 year old is really just an idiot for trying to prove a point. He proved his point alright, but he's now suffering from PTSD for having to deal with a situation he could have easily avoided.

I wouldn't be surprised if you, SMACKyo have been in a similar situation. Your handle is quite appropriate. Too bad I wasn't there to witness said SMACK, or given it to you myself!

Three Delta Seven One, I'm running a 10-29 on a MALE. Given SMACK...regular spelling...like the street name for the drug, family YO...Priors....IDIOT...PIMP!

You really ARE an idiot!

But we already knew that from your handle and youre sig.

Panther

 

[smackyo]

It is evident that you HAVE NOT talked to ANY cops on this matter because they would have told you different. And don't call me sir! My father's name was sir! You can refer to me as Panther.

And hey, you're just a useless PIMP. You have NO credabilty with me whatsover. You make your living off some weak-brained bitch's ass that you coerced!

The fact is that, in a similar situation in which you get a call of a DISTURBED FUCK, let's call him smackyo, and the discription of this guy registers previous violence, yes within the last few minutes counts (smackyo tells me he likes to fight...with small women), or, in the case of Dziekanski he had been throwing furniture and expensive things, like a laptop around, he MAY be combative. I want to go home in the morning to my wife and kids and fuck Smackyo and whoever else I'm coming into contact with, this guy is going down if I know he WILL be combative.

DO YOU have any idea what transpires in 24 seconds!?!?! A man of his height can cover 21 feet in 2 seconds easily! And who knows what he has in his hands, or in his waistband!

They communicated that they should try the taser BECAUSE they knew he was already combative and based on that info it was ALREADY an option.

You ever read Joseph Wambaugh? Right, stupid question, PIMP! Maybe you should, because in it you'll get an excellent (even though dated) description of what it's like to be a cop and in this book you'll realize that the use of force is ALWAYS ahead of CRIMINALS! SHEESH they place themselves in that situation. I know Dziekanski was not a criminal but he made himself LOOK like a criminal by doing what he did, namely throwing heavy objects around to rouse attention. What was he thinking?!?!?

And this 67 year old is really just an idiot for trying to prove a point. He proved his point alright, but he's now suffering from PTSD for having to deal with a situation he could have easily avoided.

I wouldn't be surprised if you, SMACKyo have been in a similar situation. Your handle is quite appropriate. Too bad I wasn't there to witness said SMACK, or given it to you myself!

Three Delta Seven One, I'm running a 10-29 on a MALE. Given SMACK...regular spelling...like the street name for the drug, family YO...Priors....IDIOT...PIMP!

You really ARE an idiot!

But we already knew that from your handle and youre sig.

Panther

wow resorting to personal insults is a clear sign of intelligence, you must be a fucking oxford scholar. also i'll refer to you however i fucking want to sir. as for talking to cops on this matter, you don't know what the fuck i've done so how bout shut the hell up on this matter cause i don't know you and you don't me so don't try to tell me what i have and haven't done.

i have already stated that i have friends on different forces across canada and everyone of them has told me that at best those officers actions are negligent and at the worst criminal. your main thing here is that "they were just doing their job." and "they were within their rights.", "they were following their training." well why couldn't they follow some more of their training and actually try to revive the guy??? oh thats right cause THESE (not all officers) officers had no fucking common sense and wanted to play the part of big powerful man.

you also said something else interesting, hard to believe i know but you did. you said "i've seen 6 guys try to control one guy, its not as easy as you think." two points here. point one yes i do know its not easy cause like i told you before i have been in that position a hell of a lot more then once. point two, you are 100% right, its not easy. so therefore using a taser is. the officers wanted the "easy" way out, they wanted to make it "easy" HOW BOUT DO YOUR FUCKING JOB OFFICERS.

i've heard cop after cop in tv interview state that using the taser is the last option before a gun, they have shown the police college and how they train officers to defuse violent or high tension situations and using the taser is not at all the first option until it gets violent.

you have also said that in a lot of these reported incidences that the officers feared for their lives and they wanted to protect their lives so that they could go home. alright i can respect and sympathize with that, however they are not just their to protect thier lives but the lives of others as well. when they take someone into custody or subdue someone, then that person is their responsibility and if that person dies then they better be ready to answer for it. i will say that i do believe there is justifiable homicide while in police custody and times where use of force is very neccesary, this my friend was not one of those times.

the guy getting out of the shower with nothing more then a towel that was tasered. what danger did he pose? oh thats right "he could have had a weapon, he could have known martial arts, he could have been on something."

this is very flawed logic my friend. so by that logic cops are well within their rights to use maximum force at all times for any situation cause anyone out there at any time could have a weapon on them, or know martial arts or be high on something. there is an element of danger to the job of being a police officer and the ones that do it properly i have the utmost respect for and i'm glad that they are out there. these people know that it is a dangerous job when they get into it and if they are not ready to face that then they shouldn't be doing that job, simple as that.

simple fact sir is that not all, but a lot of cops are getting lazy and using the taser just gets the situation over with faster so they can get to their break at boston pizza, instead of using their training or actually trying to communicate with someone.

also "what was robert thinking" i don't know, you tell me. the man went without food or water for 9 hours, he couldn't speak english he was in a new country, just off a long ass flight from poland, he didn't know where his mother was and couldn't contact her and no one was helping him. my god what was he thinking???

you seem to have a very skewed view of reality my friend but i guess its your opinion and you have your right to it just like i have the right to tell you mine.

so i wasn't going to do this but in closing i guess i'll sink to your level just for fun.

i am not nor had i ever been a pimp til a month ago when i turned your mother out. now she's my bottom bitch making me top dollar, i'm puttin her on a world tour soon to taste every flavor of cock.

there ya go sir. go to hell with your personal insults and assumptions about me.

 

[smackyo]

oh yeah p.s. your a cop.