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Another Bike Lane - Cambie Street Bridge

deathreborn

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I guess Vision Vancouver is going to stick it to Vancouver motorists one last time before they get booted out later this year (Civic election).

I am all for cycling infrastructure in Vancouver but I am not sure taking away a southbound lane on the Cambie Street Bridge is wise. I mean it's already a nightmare between downtown and Cambie/King Edward.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/cambie-street-bike-lanes-1.4492410
yes and they've already made a mess trying to get to vgh from cambie with west 10th being one way now. even the ambulances don't know what to do to get to emerg. guess it will take someone dying circling the block and then a big fat wrongful death suit against the city to make them notice.
 

FreeG

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I’m not from Van, so is there an alternate bridge already with a bike lane? I’m all for safe biking infrastructure too but installed wisely and balance against efficient traffic flows. I feel Vic is starting to push beyond what’s rational these days with more and more bike lanes when alternate safe routes are already available.
 

bmwguy

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I cant wait until Mayor Moonbeam and his band of idiots leaves office...he has ruined this once beautiful city.
 

badbadboy

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Why not have one pedestrian lane be for pedestrians only and the other side being for bicycles on Cambie Bridge? Seems pretty simple to make north and south bound bikes share a single pathway.

Taking yet another car lane continues to put a choke hold on the vast majority of people who commute via vehicles to and from Vancouver.

On that note, why major arterials for bike traffic anyways? Put the bikes on secondary roads not arterial roads.
 

ddcanz

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right here and now
Doesn't the seawall around False Creek already have bike lanes?
Is it too much to ask/tell cyclists to use that route? Cambie to Quebec/Science World isn't that far.
Burrard Bridge is already fucked- let's fuck another main feeder in/out of the core.
Here's an easy solution for the Cambie Bridge- cantilever a separate lane for cyclists outside the sidewalk, like an outrigger. The engineering is simple.
Or double-deck one sidewalk. Designing a transition each end shouldn't be too tough for any qualified architect or engineer.
Of course, if the idea is to steal a lane on Cambie all the way south towards Oakridge then....fuck you Vancouver motorists!
And the mandate seems to be to reduce (eliminate?) vehicle traffic by making it as difficult as possible.
World Class my ass!
 

Damaged

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Why not have one pedestrian lane be for pedestrians only and the other side being for bicycles on Cambie Bridge? Seems pretty simple to make north and south bound bikes share a single pathway.

Taking yet another car lane continues to put a choke hold on the vast majority of people who commute via vehicles to and from Vancouver.

On that note, why major arterials for bike traffic anyways? Put the bikes on secondary roads not arterial roads.
bbb, you speak too much sense for the vision crew.
 

manni

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really unnecessary. I've cycled that bridge a 1,000 times and the east sidewalk is wide enough to accomodate both cyclists and pedestrians.
the problems are the cyclists who tend to ride fast. just use some common sense and slow down a tad. you get to enjoy the views also.
 

ddcanz

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really unnecessary. I've cycled that bridge a 1,000 times and the east sidewalk is wide enough to accomodate both cyclists and pedestrians.
the problems are the cyclists who tend to ride fast. just use some common sense and slow down a tad. you get to enjoy the views also.
Cyclists use common sense and/or, slow down? Obey the rules of the road?
Not bloody likely!
How often do you even see a cyclist dismount to use a crosswalk? It's rare.
 

tokugawa

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If Vision gets re-elected and the land on the north side of the Granville Street Bridge gets redeveloped (wasn't that land recently sold), I am betting there will be bike lanes on that bridge as well.
 

badbadboy

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bbb, you speak too much sense for the vision crew.
It's weird, so many people agree and point out that statistically only 2% of all commuters are cyclists. Does building more bike lanes equate to more votes? I'd say no. Big reason is Gregor is a very good politician who works very closely with developers. Also the NPA is inept at getting a decent team together.

Some say he is in the hind pocket of developers and is giving them a free reign. Case in point the Georgia Viaduct. No real plans in place to replace it in a practical manner. Other than more bike paths, green space, more condo development for sure, and who knows what else. That Viaduct is one of the reliable ways to get out of Dodge most times of the day.

really unnecessary. I've cycled that bridge a 1,000 times and the east sidewalk is wide enough to accomodate both cyclists and pedestrians.
the problems are the cyclists who tend to ride fast. just use some common sense and slow down a tad. you get to enjoy the views also.
I have a relative who says the same thing. They ride almost year round but do acknowledge some riders are just nuts. Full speed ahead and pedestrians look out.
 

stamina

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Why not have one pedestrian lane be for pedestrians only and the other side being for bicycles on Cambie Bridge? Seems pretty simple to make north and south bound bikes share a single pathway.

Taking yet another car lane continues to put a choke hold on the vast majority of people who commute via vehicles to and from Vancouver.

On that note, why major arterials for bike traffic anyways? Put the bikes on secondary roads not arterial roads.
Because that would make too much sense!
 

nowayjose

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I'm a cyclist and I love all of the bike lanes that have been added to the city but Cambie street bridge seems unnecessary to me.
 

badbadboy

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I'm a cyclist and I love all of the bike lanes that have been added to the city but Cambie street bridge seems unnecessary to me.
A voice of reason in most respects (I disagree about Hornby St though) :D
 

rlock

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I'm so sick of bike lanes, and the idea that more automatically equals better.

Not the idea of them, just the fucked up way they make decisions on where to place them.
Mostly, I'm of the opinion that if they actually consulted with drivers, they would find out where to place lanes and where not to.
Anyone who's driven to earn a living (as I have) knows how bad their decisions have been.
 

CanineCowboy

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Actually 10% (and growing) of Vancouverites' work commutes are by bicycle, just over 40% by foot and transit and just less than 50% by car - good to get your stats right first.

Second, the bike lane is being created in a response to an increase in accidents. The wide sidewalks were designed with pedestrians in mind, but not cyclists, and pedestrian traffic peaked at 3200 pedestrians last year on a midweek day. The cost is $600,000 for the bike lane compared to $60,000,000 for a cantilevered extension or a $100,000,000 for a stand alone bridge.

Transportation planning in North America started abandoning the car first model in 1973 - but even so, the car capacity of the bridge is twice that of the streets it connects to at the north and south end, meaning losing the lane will result in no increase of car congestion.

As a side note - a pedestrian was killed in a crosswalk in Burnaby earlier this week and the following day a cyclist was hit by a turning car within meters of the first accident - why aren't you guys screaming bloody murder about it!
 

nwtl

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1. "the more bike lanes we build, the more bikes will appear on them magically out of thin air, so let's just build as much as possible"

2. "further narrowing bottlenecks of a city (like bridges) by assigning lanes to bikes, bike sharing stations, planters, or anything else you can think of, is a very logical and natural thing to do"

3. "if we take away parking spots on streets, cars will just vanish into thin air, and we will be more green"

4. "if we allow high density towers yet do not require them to build underground parking accordingly, people will still move in and just won't own cars since they won't have spots"

5. "if we make it as expensive, slow, inconvenient and frustrating as possible to drive to places in Vancouver, people will embrace bikes and we will be more green... businesses won't hurt or anything either"

6. "it is completely conceivable for a mother to take her 2 children to school every morning on a bike, or shop at Costco and bring home the 4 huge boxes on a bike, specially in the rain"

7. "people will ride their bikes to work from suburbs and still show up to work in a suit and tie, oh sure we will have showers in every office building and everyone will have 2 sets of clothes and shower at work again every morning, and if you are wondering, no we don't care about the extra water usage, lowered work productivity, practicality of ten/hundred of people all showering at an office at once in the AM, etc."

8. "it's just fine not requiring identifying plates on bicycles, it's not like if a cyclist gets into any situation or accident we'd need to be able to identify him on scene or anything like that"

9. "it's perfectly fine for cyclists not to require any operating lessons to obey the rules of the road, and they can pretend to be pedestrians, cars, and anything in between as it pleases them"

10. "it's perfectly fine for the police to not reprimand cyclists for gross infractions of traffic rules they witness, because after all how do you follow, identify or stop a cyclist if you're in a police car in traffic because the street has only 1.5 lanes left and the cyclist is still on the road for some reason and maneuvering between cars stuck in traffic?"

11. "who needs insurance for cyclists? it's not like they're ever the ones at fault in any collision or damage caused to property, or a person on foot, in a car, etc. - they're always the victim"
 

Hugh Jass

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Actually 10% (and growing) of Vancouverites' work commutes are by bicycle, just over 40% by foot and transit and just less than 50% by car - good to get your stats right first.

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So just where have all these bike "commuters" been during the last 4 months once the sunshine disappeared and the rains and snow arrived? There's been tumbleweeds blowing around in those lanes and usually are for around 8 months a year plus every rainy day during the summer. Its a heavy investment for something used only 25% of the year and by a very limited amount of the population who currently must be all taking their cars to work anyway.
 

CanineCowboy

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So just where have all these bike "commuters" been during the last 4 months once the sunshine disappeared and the rains and snow arrived? There's been tumbleweeds blowing around in those lanes and usually are for around 8 months a year plus every rainy day during the summer. Its a heavy investment for something used only 25% of the year and by a very limited amount of the population who currently must be all taking their cars to work anyway.
I don't know where you were, but on the two days of actual snow in Vancouver, I still saw bikes. Fact - Vancouver leads North America on actual work commuter trips by bike per population, so I guess nwtl may be right - build them and they will come.

My numbers are sourced from actual transportation data and not simply grasped at by perceived stable genius - something I think some of you may be heavily relying on.
 

Hugh Jass

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I don't know where you were, but on the two days of actual snow in Vancouver, I still saw bikes. Fact - Vancouver leads North America on actual work commuter trips by bike per population, so I guess nwtl may be right - build them and they will come.

My numbers are sourced from actual transportation data and not simply grasped at by perceived stable genius - something I think some of you may be heavily relying on.
Actual transportation data that admits it may not be accurate and fills in gaps with estimations, and could quite conceivably be doctored to support a position as its done by those who designed them..the City of Vancouver Engineering Department under the thumb of Mayor Moonbeams administration. Its hard to imagine Mayor Moonbeam allowing any statistics to be unveiled that do not support the position of one of his pet projects. I trust those stats as much as I do the Law Society, Police Department or Teachers Union to discipline their own members without prejudice.

Aside from which when Im in Vancouver I am all over the city from Union Street to Burrard, down Hornby, along Dunsmuir and visual interpretations give you a much better picture of exactly how sparse the useage can be better than a table of figures.
 
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