And another sad election coming, probably May 2
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there were 6 hiding in the Canadien Embassy until Ken Taylor got them exit visa and became american hero (from wiki)
Kenneth D. Taylor
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Kenneth Douglas "Ken" Taylor, OC (born October 5, 1934 in Calgary, Alberta, Canada) was a Canadian ambassador to Iran. Taylor helped six Americans escape from Iran during the hostage crisis in 1979 by contacting Canadian Prime Minister Joe Clark and getting him to issue the Americans Canadian passports to fool the Iranians into believing they were Canadians in a covert operation called the Canadian caper.
Iranian students invaded the United States embassy on November 4, 1979 (Iran hostage crisis). During the riot six Americans managed to escape. They hid for four days before reaching the Canadian embassy where they met Taylor who devised the plan to get them out of Iran safely. The other 52 hostages were released on the last day of U.S. President Jimmy Carter's term in office, in January 1981.
My point was that the US will defend Canada not because they "like" us as friends (although that is nice) but because it makes vital strategic sense. How you can take that as "veiled dislike" or skepticism is beyond me.
Did you read what Hank wrote and did you properly read the article posted ?
So let me repeat, there were no hostages at the at the Canadian Embassy. No American troops were heading in to rescue anybody from the Canadian Embassy. The Iranians were holding Americans hostage at the American Embassy. The Americans that escaped from their embassy to the Canadian Embassy were free to leave the Embassy anytime they wanted to do so, they weren't being held hostage by anyone. The fact that they might not have survived had they left the Embassy does not make them hostages, except to circumstance.
To what extent do you spend to? 65 top of the line fighter jets. The USA will have 1300-2500 of the exact same jet.
Pretty much every western country will be getting these as well. Britain, Belgium, Netherlands, Italy, Turkey, Australia, Israel, India and Brazil even.
You spend to what you think you need to effectively fill the role the equipment is being bought for. Among the buyers is Singapore, they are in for a 100 planes, and this a country that is just a bit bigger then the base my SO is currently at. Why do they need that many ? What role does the Canadian Government see for Canada in the world, that's where you spend to.
And did you happen to miss this little gem
Iranian students invaded the United States embassy on November 4, 1979 (Iran hostage crisis). During the riot six Americans managed to escape. They hid for four days before reaching the Canadian embassy
FACT, they were being held hostage and escaped, maybe former hostage would be a better choice of words?
There you go, former hostages. As for missing the gem, I was around for it, I knew some of the Americans that died in the desert, and Ken Taylor is a client. I think I probably had an insight into that situation, that you wouldn't get from just reading/watching news reports.
OK time to get his thread back on track....given it has been derailed in a train wreck way with stupid tangents from hostage taking that happened when I was a happy kid watching bugs bunny after school.
Today the liberals led by that incompetant idiot ignatieff released the campaign platform or "red book".....they offer the so called "family pack" to bribe/coerce voters and they say that they will balance the budget and at the same time they offer 8 billion in tax cuts....but how will they come up with the money?....well first off they will raise corporate tax rates and you can just bet personal tax rates will be raised as well in time....the liberals also plan to eliminate tax breaks for oil sands companies...WOW....that is smart...bite the hand that feeds the federal coffers....just like the NEP though not as bad......this makes me think of that pussy dion and his "green shift" platform....a "shift" of the "green" from Alberta is what it was....and on the sidelines we have the leader of the Green Party...who have not a single elected MP (not even the party leader) who has launched a court action to be allowed to be part of the Party Leaders Debate....because she is beating the drum and saying it is "undemocratic"...yeah well as far as I am concearned ALL politcal parties that do not have an elected MP in Parliament do not have a right to attend or be included in a nationally telvised leaders debate.
SR
Today the liberals led by that incompetant idiot ignatieff released the campaign platform or "red book".....they offer the so called "family pack" to bribe/coerce voters and they say that they will balance the budget and at the same time they offer 8 billion in tax cuts....but how will they come up with the money?....well first off they will raise corporate tax rates and you can just bet personal tax rates will be raised as well in time....the liberals also plan to eliminate tax breaks for oil sands companies...WOW....that is smart...bite the hand that feeds the federal coffers....just like the NEP though not as bad......this makes me think of that pussy dion and his "green shift" platform....a "shift" of the "green" from Alberta is what it was....and on the sidelines we have the leader of the Green Party...who have not a single elected MP (not even the party leader) who has launched a court action to be allowed to be part of the Party Leaders Debate....because she is beating the drum and saying it is "undemocratic"...yeah well as far as I am concearned ALL politcal parties that do not have an elected MP in Parliament do not have a right to attend or be included in a nationally telvised leaders debate.
SR
Tell me the last time any party's election platform had anything to do with what they actually did when elected. All "platforms" are cynical bids to appeal to whatever they think is most likely to get them elected. Whatever they do afterwards doesn't have much correlation.
You have the "responsible" media saying that we should be asking them about the issues. Unfortunately you can't trust what any of them say on the "issues" because that is all bullshit too. If the Liberals (by some unlikely event) come out ahead, they will make friends with the rich and the corporations too, because that is what they have always done.
As for participating in the "debate" -- what difference does that make to anything? The debates are always a total sham, where the bullshit is piled on even thicker. They get asked a question, they respond with whichever prepared statement is closest to the topic (whether it answers the question or not). The only ones that come off well are those with nothing to lose -- like Duceppe -- or May -- which gives them the only entertainment value the debates ever have.....unless someone melts down or slips up and goes off-topic.
A few comments:
Vote compass is HEAVILY biased to say that everyone is a liberal. Basically to get any other answer you have to answer completely right wing on everything or complete bloc or communist on everything, any other answers and it says you are a liberal.
As far as parties sticking to the election platforms. The conservatives have already put out their platform in the form of their 2011 budget. They have also said that if elected, that is the budget they will put forward for 2011. I think it's pretty clear that they are running on a platform of what they will actually do. For the liberals on the other hand, hey, their "Red Book" said that they were going to eliminate the GST for a few elections, too bad they never got around to actually doing it, isn't it?
Ask yourself this: Do you want to go back to having a 60 cent dollar and higher taxes and higher prices for everything? If so, hey, vote liberal.
As far as Iggy's "everyone gets to go to university" BS, what do you expect from a university prof? So, we'll have more people with university degrees asking you "do you want fries with that?" because they certainly won't have other jobs, once he's raised the corp taxes and trashed the dollar.
Vote compass is HEAVILY biased to say that everyone is a liberal. Basically to get any other answer you have to answer completely right wing on everything or complete bloc or communist on everything, any other answers and it says you are a liberal.
As far as parties sticking to the election platforms. The conservatives have already put out their platform in the form of their 2011 budget. They have also said that if elected, that is the budget they will put forward for 2011. I think it's pretty clear that they are running on a platform of what they will actually do. For the liberals on the other hand, hey, their "Red Book" said that they were going to eliminate the GST for a few elections, too bad they never got around to actually doing it, isn't it?
Ask yourself this: Do you want to go back to having a 60 cent dollar and higher taxes and higher prices for everything? If so, hey, vote liberal.
As far as Iggy's "everyone gets to go to university" BS, what do you expect from a university prof? So, we'll have more people with university degrees asking you "do you want fries with that?" because they certainly won't have other jobs, once he's raised the corp taxes and trashed the dollar.
To me, the most cynical campaigns are always the ones that are based in fear-mongering. All parties indulge in this, but the conservatives (in all Western countries, not just in Canada) rely on fear for their support. Fear of crime (must build more prisons), fear of terrorism, fear of immigrants, fear that our society will change, fear that the other guys will fuck everything up. In this case, fear of "the reckless coalition" seems to be the constant message.
I prefer those that promise positive changes (even if I don't actually believe them).
The reason the C$ is so high is because of the weakness of the US$ combined with extremely high demand for Cdn natural resources. It has nothing to do with what the Conservatives have done or not done.
Your statement on education appears short-sighted and myopic. It goes totally against what China & India are doing. They are becoming education and technology-based economies. This is what Canada (and the U.S.) will have to do to compete with these countries.
I am an undecided, by the way. I like to look at all the parties, platforms and positions before making a decision.
Interesting read about him. Never knew where he came from and still don't know what he stands for but we shall see. 
If we can't believe what Ignatieff says because his background story isn't entirely accurate, and it's not even off by that much, then what does that say about the Conservatives, when their story is even further off base?
I believe he was referring to same article you quoted above, where the CPC's version of Ignatief's family origins seemed even farther from the truth than his own.
I don't understand. Was there a picture of this woman on that candidate's website? There is a controversy? Google news doesn't show anything about it....and -5% in any poll is way within the margin of error.Tip to the "Brain Trust" at the NDP Campaign Headquarters. When you are "creative" and create an issue, make sure that you have deleted pictures of the "poor student" from your candidate's websites first.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ins...ning-furor-wants-to-escape-the-craziness.html
http://www.irenemathyssen.ca/home
http://twitter.com/irenemathyssen
Once the media finds that they have been fooled, they tend to be a little harsh in their treatment of the resulting story and the voters tend to decide not to vote for you. -5% in the single day since the story broke
I guess Twitter is yet another of these new-fangled things I don't understand; that link to a twitter page just shows a bunch of disconnected gibberish to me. Hey, you kids ... get off my lawn!
Still can't see those photos (although there are a number of the candidate putting up signs) this morning, and can't find any reference whatsoever in the media to this. The CBC article says Awish had been a volunteer for the NDP two years ago -- nothing at all about these photos. Nothing in the London Free Press either. If it was so prominent that it is affecting NDP support, why can't I find anything at all about it? If the candidate has deleted the photos in the meantime, wouldn't there be some columnist in The National Post pointing to some "scandal"? Not that I think it is very important, just puzzled.
Um ....I guess I am thick ... but i still see nothing whatsover in this photo (which was published days ago on the CBC website and the ndp's website) or article (red highlighted or not) to indicate that she was some kind of NDP plant in the crowd to disrupt Harper's rally (or that she deliberately registered in the hope of being ejected later?), or anything about her being accused of such a thing (other than some reference to the "twitterverse" in the CBC article you linked orginally...how does the "twitterverse" differ from anonymous comments on websites like this?)... or that she was in fact on the London candidate's website for this campaign, or how that has affected the NDP's standing. Still trying to understand the point of your post refering to all of that...sorry, I just don't get it.
I am just saying that you made a post (with 3 links) insinuating that it was clear that she was an NDP plant to raise some sort of trouble, that she was photographed working on the current campaign for the NDP candidate, and that there was a ruckus about this big enough to affect campaign standings, and that none of the links (or followup links) or any other information I can find support this claim. I still don't think it would be all that important one way or the other with all the bullshit flying around from all directions.
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