And another sad election coming, probably May 2

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Actually, it will eliminate many of the avenues that could be used to prevent prostitution in a person's own home. It could also eliminate many of the avenues that could be used to prevent a business such as an escort agency having rooms available.

It really depends on the reasons for judgement that the majority report of the Supreme Court has written into it.
New legislation would very likely be to decriminalize selling sex -- thus making any ruling irrelevant -- and criminalize the purchase. They could sell this as "progressive," and I wouldn't trust the Libs/NDP not to support it.
 

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Anyone who thinks that we don't need to keep our military updated, should go for a ride in a Sea King. We are the second largest country in the world and we need a strong well equipped military to protect our sovereignty. The USA is a great neighbor and our friend, but they may not always be there especially with the erratic president that they have now.
 

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Anyone who thinks that we don't need to keep our military updated, should go for a ride in a Sea King. We are the second largest country in the world and we need a strong well equipped military to protect our sovereignty. The USA is a great neighbor and our friend, but they may not always be there especially with the erratic president that they have now.
I am not questioning your logic but if the US were to invade Canada, how long do you think our Canadian forces will last?
 

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I am not questioning your logic but if the US were to invade Canada, how long do you think our Canadian forces will last?
Its not the USA that I am worried about attacking us, however in this crazy world anything is possible I guess. You make my point by asking "how long do you think our Canadian forces will last?". We wouldn't last long at all which is why I would like to see an increase in our military.

My point is that I am concerned about the state of the USA. Historically they have always been there to protect us and we didn't need a strong military in the past. In the future the USA might not be able to protect itself never mind looking after Canada.
 

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The USA is a great neighbor and our friend, but they may not always be there especially with the erratic president that they have now.
That might be the dumbest thing I've read on here in a while.

"Erratic" President? Huh?
 

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That might be the dumbest thing I've read on here in a while.

"Erratic" President? Huh?
As tempting as it might be to enlighten you on the many shortcomings of Obama, I am not going to let your personal attack derail this thread. I would be pleased however to debate our candidates for PM and the important election that Canada faces.
 

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As tempting as it might be to enlighten you on the many shortcomings of Obama, I am not going to let your personal attack derail this thread. I would be pleased however to debate our candidates for PM and the important election that Canada faces.
:rolleyes:
 

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I'm guessing that most of you have already seen this. I still think it's pretty hilarious.


So, which politician is Jar-Jar then? :D

Anyone else suddenly wish that the election was on May the 4th?
 
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Its not the USA that I am worried about attacking us, however in this crazy world anything is possible I guess. You make my point by asking "how long do you think our Canadian forces will last?". We wouldn't last long at all which is why I would like to see an increase in our military.

My point is that I am concerned about the state of the USA. Historically they have always been there to protect us and we didn't need a strong military in the past. In the future the USA might not be able to protect itself never mind looking after Canada.
Who in particular are you concerned will attack us?
You have a group of countries, like the USA, Russia, or China. That we couldn't stop regardless of any increase in spending.
Then a group of countries, that are all allies, that have slighty larger Defence spending, but no real way to attack Canada.
Like Britain, France, Japan, Germany, India....Brazil?
 

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Who in particular are you concerned will attack us?
You have a group of countries, like the USA, Russia, or China. That we couldn't stop regardless of any increase in spending.
Then a group of countries, that are all allies, that have slighty larger Defence spending, but no real way to attack Canada.
Like Britain, France, Japan, Germany, India....Brazil?
Besides which, the US has been there to defend Canada not because of friendship but because it is strategic. Canada is rich in natural resources and shares the world's largest undefended border. I doubt that the US would want some "crazy conquerors" to attack Canada and have a launching pad right next door.
 

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Who in particular are you concerned will attack us?
You have a group of countries, like the USA, Russia, or China. That we couldn't stop regardless of any increase in spending.
Then a group of countries, that are all allies, that have slighty larger Defence spending, but no real way to attack Canada.
Like Britain, France, Japan, Germany, India....Brazil?
Can you with 100% certainty predict the political climate in the world 5 or 10 years from now? Who would have thought that in 2011, France would lead a coalition to attack a Muslim country? Who would have thought that a Canadian general would be in charge of the campaign while the USA took a back seat? Who would have anticipated that terrorists would fly planes into buildings which are located just over the Canadian border.

Canada has valuable land located in the Arctic which ownership is disputed by several countries. What will happen if those claims are escalated?

To answer your original question I have no idea which group or country will pose a threat to Canada in the future. I would rather be prepared by having a substantial military. You make the comment that there is a group of countries that we couldn't stop regardless of any increase in spending. What is your solution? Do we just throw up our hands and surrender?
 

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Besides which, the US has been there to defend Canada not because of friendship but because it is strategic. Canada is rich in natural resources and shares the world's largest undefended border. I doubt that the US would want some "crazy conquerors" to attack Canada and have a launching pad right next door.
I don't share your skepticism and veiled dislike of the USA. Of course the USA doesn't want "crazy conquerors" next door. Of course the USA has an interest in our natural resources. I believe a natural friendship exists independent of the points that you raised. We have much in common with the USA, like we do with the UK who are also our friends.
 

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The Military is a political pawn, a budget item throw away and in my books that's wrong. The spending on the Military, in particular the aircraft is necessary, but not because of who or who may not invade us. Rather it is necessary if Canada wants to maintain International relevance. If Canada wants a say in International Affairs it has to able to step up to the plate when necessary. Having an effective military allows it to do that.
 

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The replacement jets are for something that Canada can't do well without being just a unit of NATO or a coalition with the USA. I don't believe that Canada is well served internationally being involved in peace making or regime change. I think it damages our image.

We had a great image as a reliable peace keeper. However, the world changed and people shoot at UN peace keepers now. Once people shoot at you, only a fool doesn't shoot back - so you get back into peace making.

I think Canada would be better served if we organized ourselves to provide assistance during disasters. That would mean 4 or more fairly large competent ships that can provide medical services, carry and deliver lots of food and water, and provide airlift capability for moving NGOs into remote areas.

We also need to upgrade our own search and rescue capability and our own coastal patrol capability.
Thank you. Those shuld definitely be our priorities. A small force of well trained and equipped tough guys for land missions might also be darn handy to have, too. Really fancy and complicated fighter jets? No. (I do like watching the Snow Birds, but I could sacrifice that pleasure when they are deemed worn out).
 

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Thank you. Those shuld definitely be our priorities. A small force of well trained and equipped tough guys for land missions might also be darn handy to have, too. Really fancy and complicated fighter jets? No. (I do like watching the Snow Birds, but I could sacrifice that pleasure when they are deemed worn out).
And what do you use to protect them from armoured vehicles or artillery ? Current trend seems to be air power.
 

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Seems Harper is refusing to take more than five media questions a day during his campaign tour.

What a coward.
 

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And what do you use to protect them from armoured vehicles or artillery ? Current trend seems to be air power.
Probably not well thought out on my part; I wasn't thinking of them as being part of a battlefield conflict -- more like guys that tried to rescue the hostages at the Canadian embassy in Iran (but screwed up).
 

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Probably not well thought out on my part; I wasn't thinking of them as being part of a battlefield conflict -- more like guys that tried to rescue the hostages at the Canadian embassy in Iran (but screwed up).
That's it, stop hitting the bong before posting. There were no hostages in the Canadian Embassy in Iran. The Americans that got screwed up, were screwed because they went in without the proper equipment for the job at hand. The helicopters they went in with were not equipped to operate in a desert environment and the crews paid the price for that.

Canada already has a group of tough guys for the kinds of operations you envision, JTF 2 and they are very, very good. But the best laid plans of mice and men .etc.......... When the shit hits the fan and they need help, they need it fast. You can't be waiting to crank up a Spad and hope it makes it.

Al, you should be happy that the forces are in fact building ships that can play the role you are referring to, though only two at this time. They are however getting more heavy lift air capacity as well so we don't have to lease from the Russians.
 
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