And another sad election coming, probably May 2

[badbadboy]

Uh huh. And Harper got into politics specifically to destroy the liberals. I suppose that's a good agenda?



Read a newspaper, man. Other than the Calgary Sun, that is.

BTW - Canada's best-ever financial times were under liberal governments. Period.

I wish people would stop basing their opinions solely on the conservative attack ads.

What is with the personal attacks if someone doesn't agree with your own personal choice? I don't give a rats ass who you are or who you will vote for and your lame insults are not going to sway my personal choice one bit.

Who are you anyway, the only Liberal living in Calgary? Must be a nice place for you.

I did at one time vote Liberal but changed during the Chretien era because I did not like how all the power and decisions about the west were in Ottawa. At least with this version of the CPC there are some MP's in our area who actually are part of the cabinet.

Ok Genius, Best ever Liberal financial years were exactly when and exactly how did they relate to how the rest of the world was performing at the same time? Riding some coat tails of the rest of the EU, Asia and the USA perhaps?

Let's see your Liberal spin on this one and how are you going to claim in some way Canada led the charge economically? Go ahead, Google will be your friend since it won't be in your memory bank.

 

[wilde]

What is with the personal attacks if someone doesn't agree with your own personal choice? I don't give a rats ass who you are or who you will vote for and your lame insults are not going to sway my personal choice one bit.

Who are you anyway, the only Liberal living in Calgary? Must be a nice place for you.

I did at one time vote Liberal but changed during the Chretien era because I did not like how all the power and decisions about the west were in Ottawa. At least with this version of the CPC there are some MP's in our area who actually are part of the cabinet.

Ok Genius, Best ever Liberal financial years were exactly when and exactly how did they relate to how the rest of the world was performing at the same time? Riding some coat tails of the rest of the EU, Asia and the USA perhaps?

Let's see your Liberal spin on this one and how are you going to claim in some way Canada led the charge economically? Go ahead, Google will be your friend since it won't be in your memory bank.

You are the one complaining about personal attacks but clearly you are not above it. If you want to sound convincing you might want to practice what you preach.

 

[badbadboy]

You are the one complaining about personal attacks but clearly you are not above it. If you want to sound convincing you might want to practice what you preach.

Ok, so proceed, let's have an open discussion without personal attacks on issues with some facts presented.

Telling me to go read and not the Calgary Sun is not exactly passive statement, agreed?

Edit to add: I do not need to convince anyone of any issue. I would hazard a guess that 99.99% posting in this thread have already decided how they will vote May 2.

 

[badbadboy]

Interesting that CBC News was running a spot on your personal political compass with a questionaire tonight.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/votecompass/

Guess what, I am apparently more closely aligned with the Liberals but furthest from the NDP.

I am a very small c CPC you might say hahah.

 

[Arcticknight]

First of all, I would like to say that it is fine to quote various sources about what the writers say is the situation in their own opinion. However, the only source that is credible is historical records. what has each leader/party done in the records. Attack ads are nothing more than "this is what I say, therefore it is true". Taking fact and distorting it to fit an agenda is a typical political move.
Fact: Conservative candidates seem to avoid public debates during elections.
Fact: Harper has repeatedly promised one thing during an election and then changed his story once the voting is done.
Fact: Conservative ads as of late seem to be nothing more then attack ads with little to no substance as to what their policies are.
I could go on with facts about all other parties and leaders but what would it achieve other than my fingers cramping. Politicians on a whole(there are some exceptions) are in politics for the power and money.
I know there will be people who disagree with me (we live in a free society) and they will express their opinions. I feel that Harper has a hidden agenda.
I think that Harper would put a stop to this forum/website for 2 reasons; 1)It has opinions that disagree with him and (most importantly) 2)It involves sex. For sale! I think Harper is an holier than thou, do as I say not as I do, type of person.
I could go on and on about politicians and I will hear back from some people how wrong I am, but I think we should abolish the party system and have each politican vote according to the voters. Of course that is a perfect world.

PS, I have noticed that there are very few female contributers to this thread. Is that because they see that Canadian politics is a lost cause?

 

[HankQuinlan]

PS, I have noticed that there are very few female contributers to this thread. Is that because they see that Canadian politics is a lost cause?

Almost all female contributors to this board are providers. They have nothing to gain by alienating potential customers.

 

[badbadboy]

I finally got vote compass to say that I was a Conservative. I had to pick only the right wing answer in order to do it. If you are Conservative, but think women have control over their own body - vote compass thinks you are a Liberal.

I figured that was the question that led to my 'liberalism'. I can not ever think that way ever just to become a Conservative.
Interesting to note that I voted for staying in Afghanistan and having multiple layers of a health care system and yet the result was Liberal.

 

[CJ Tylers]

Apparently, I'd be all for voting liberal if Gille Duceppe was running it

If only there was a party that actually stood for decent morale values (and no, I'm not talking the biblical ones), honesty, integrity & was dedicated to balancing the demands of defense/international obligations, the environment, and healthcare. Also, ensuring public interest is properly served, and reducing the debt to manageable levels. Oh yes, and a complete disdain for attack ads!

Sadly, there are no parties that fall into this category.

 

[themc5]

I do not need to convince anyone of any issue. I would hazard a guess that 99.99% posting in this thread have already decided how they will vote May 2.

I won't be! Non-voting felon.

Ok, not really. I'm a job stealin' immigrant ferriner with no legal right to vote. PR for life, baby! I can bitch all I want with no power to implement change. It's kinda refreshing, actually.

I do have to say though, that one attack ad on Ignatieff is kinda funny. OMG HE'S A YANKEE SYMPATHIZER! Funny how his years spent at Cambridge and Oxford aren't an issue, but his years spent at Harvard somehow make him a fascist or something. At least call him an elitist. Harvard, Oxford and Cambridge tenures can sort of be inferred from that. Trying to imply he's an Evil American just shows ignorance. Politically, a good ad. In the real world, it's a little bigoted.

See what I mean about bitching without voting rights? It's great! My comments carry no weight!

 

[Karl Blues]

Edit to add: I do not need to convince anyone of any issue. I would hazard a guess that 99.99% posting in this thread have already decided how they will vote May 2.

I am one of the .01%.

Looking at the 2 main parties objectively, I see little difference in their fiscal positions. I like the Tory stand on corp tax cuts cause I believe it creates investment in the long term. Don't like what it does to the deificit though. But there is a plan by the Tories to end the deficit by 2015.

On the other hand, in the last election, they vowed never to go into deficit, so I take these promises with grain of salt.

Socially, a majority Tory govt is scary. I also worry about the transgressions we have seen (Oda affair, influence peddling, etc). Harper had promised us something different (and I voted for them), but has fallen into the same pattern of vote-buying, scandal-ridden administrations.

The Liberals? Not quite sure what they stand for anymore. Doubt if it is much diff from the Tories

I hate the attack ads on Iggy questioning his patriotism. It smacks of US smear campaigns.

I could never vote NDP especially after what they did to BC in the 90's.

 

[whoisjohngalt]

That's an intersting statement, considering the Conservatives right now have both the largest budget and deficit in Canadian history.
If it wasn't for Paul Martin and the Liberals, we would be in just as bad shape as the US right now. Consider Harper wanted more deregulation of the banks which would have but us in the same boat as the Americans.

Thats not completely true, the budgeted expenditures for 2011 are lower than the budget for 2010 (although the actual expenditures for 2010 came in lower than what was budgeted) and the budgeted deficit for 2011 is also not the highest ever. But these things have to be taken in context. For example, the historical trend has been for budgeted government expenditures to increase every year, partly due to inflation and also due to the insatiable appetite of the public and special interest groups for ever increasing programs. And you must also consider that revenues have been impacted by the recession. The relevant statistic is spending as a % of GDP. Also, political ideology will dictate what one thinks of government spending. Our socialist friends will likely celebrate increasing government spending whereas true conservatives/libertarians will be in favour of reductions in government activity.

 

[J.O. Henson]

i was sure i had read/heard about a poll saying a high percentage of canadians polled (in the 90% range) did not want an election. just one more show that all these people care about is getting their own wants taken care of first.

 

[Bartdude]

I finally got vote compass to say that I was a Conservative. I had to pick only the right wing answer in order to do it. If you are Conservative, but think women have control over their own body - vote compass thinks you are a Liberal.

I figured that was the question that led to my 'liberalism'. I can not ever think that way ever just to become a Conservative.
Interesting to note that I voted for staying in Afghanistan and having multiple layers of a health care system and yet the result was Liberal.

Hmmm. I voted the 'conservative way' only slightly on the other questions you convienently forgot to mention - the ones on immigration, the gun registry, the military, same-sex marriage, and government economic spending - and got a 'conservative' result no problem.

This wouldn't be more 'left wing bias' whining from the right-wingers, now would it? And don't forget the CBC-is-a-liberal-organization argument that lots of people love to say, but nobody ever seems to be able to substantially prove.

 

[island-guy]

Some predictions:

1) Harper gets another minority government

2) Iggy gets tossed by the liberals, Bob Rae takes his place

3) Bob Rae is delusional and thinks that he'll win if we have another election

4) Government gets brought down again in September

5) Harper gets a majority government in October, the liberal MPs can all fit in a minivan. Bloc is the official opposition and NDP has more seats than Liberals.

6) Elizabeth May finally gets elected, running against Bob Rae.

 

[virginjohn]

I was just looking at the recent polling for the federal parties

http://www.sfu.ca/~aheard/elections/polls.html#NATIONAL


results from the 2008 election:

10.0% Bloq
37.6% Conservative
06.8% Green
26.2% Liberal
18.2% NDP

I used the data from the website above, and averaged the data from the last 7 polls (all done in the month of March) and the result were:

10.0% Bloq
37.4% Conservative
07.9% Green
26.6% Liberal
16.6% NDP

So the electorate is pretty much where it was 3 years ago. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

I would not really rely on these kinds of polls. For example if I recall correctly in 2008 election NDP lost votes in Ontario but gained seats in that province! So while the over all level of support is important the distribution matters a lot.

 

[gpchillin]

I laugh how there was a global recession and the liberals are pounding the airwaves blaming that on the conservatives LOL right there for utter stupidity I will have nothing to do with the Liberal retards.

Ya cancel the new fighters sure hold a competition where wait there is NO OTHER FIGHTER IN THE WORLD to enter such a competition waste a billion dollars make our boys and girls fly and fight with 50 year old equipment then blame that on the conservatives too. Ya they will cost billions over 30 YEARS !!!!!! you want to play on the world stage send our people out to fight for democracy you gotta fork out the cash or just stay home and be ignored by the rest of the countries who do fork out the money.

All the liberals do is waste more and more money to stomp around trying to make people listen to their stupid ass ideas

 

[oh3421]

This being a poon board, I am a bit surprised nobody has brought up the issue "at hand": how would a large conservative majority affect the extremely delicate state of pooning in this country? I have noted with concern the extremely hostile statements brought by conservatives towards the recent Onatario prostitution ruling. Does this mean the conservatives, once elected, will start one of the famous wars, like the "war on johns"?

From my POV, all parties are out screwing us (yet use different versions of window dressing), BUT I don't want anything to come in between MY screwing...

If anybody has any projections, how our hobby would be affected by a conservative majority, let's hear it - thanks

 

[HankQuinlan]

The Supreme Court of Canada will eventually hear and decide the case that is slowly making it's way to it. Right now, it's in front of the Ontario Superior Court.

I expect that the Supreme Court will rule that it violates the SP's constitutional right to safety to not be able to work in a safe location.

But that will have no bearing on any new laws that a Conservative majority might pass.

 

[oh3421]

But that will have no bearing on any new laws that a Conservative majority might pass.

Yeah that's what I am thinking...If they use their majority and make it plain vanilla illegal than all these court rulings are for nothing...
So, excluding all other (important) issues and strictly from a pooner's POV, what party would be best to vote for?
The conservatives have to wear this holier than holy mask, but behind the mask they are often hobbyists themselves. The Lefties, on the other hand, are infested with the feminazis...decisions decisions

 

[island-guy]

But the conservatives are really nice to prostitutes.

Look at what that one guy did for that hottie ex escort. he got her all sorts of water purification contracts.

But seriously, just look at how Ronald Reagan and both George Bushes completely wiped out prostitution in the USA.

We all know that there are NO escorts in the USA, right?