An Inconvenient Truth

[Tatortot]

Give it a rest

Your endless oil company thing is getting boring, face it, the earth has warmed before and cooled and will always do so. You CAN'T prevent it or change it no matter how many times you bring up the oil companies. This thing is all about money and power and has ZERO to do with stopping something that isn't even taking place as much as you say it is.

Can you admit one thing. Has the world ever been warmer than it is now????

I thought so.

 

[rollerboy]

Your endless oil company thing is getting boring, face it, the earth has warmed before and cooled and will always do so. You CAN'T prevent it or change it no matter how many times you bring up the oil companies. This thing is all about money and power and has ZERO to do with stopping something that isn't even taking place as much as you say it is.

Can you admit one thing. Has the world ever been warmer than it is now????

I thought so.

Paleoclimatologists unanimously agree on this point. Yes, Virginia, the Earth has been much warmer than today, and has been warmer over periods of millions of years. In fact, there have been geologic periods without polar ice caps.

Bonus question: has the atmosphere ever contained higher levels of CO2?

 

[citylover]

Your endless oil company thing is getting boring, face it, the earth has warmed before and cooled and will always do so.

another nimrod who thinks he's smarter than the American Association for the Advancement of Science

& the National Academy of Sciences

Man, it's a wonder those people can even figger out how to open the door to their meetings, the Swiftboat Scientists have all the smarts locked up

Who can possibly argue w/ their brilliant riposte?

"My mommy still makes me wear mittens outside, so the Earth IS NOT getting warmer! IS NOT! IS NOT! IS NOT! IS NOT! IS NOT! IS NOT! IS NOT! IS NOT! IS NOT! IS NOT! IS SNOT! IS SNOT! IS SNOT!"

 

[OTBn]

Your endless oil company thing is getting boring

boring - hardly... not when it's such a convenient truth to (continue) to point out:


Former White House official defends editing of climate papers
H. JOSEF HEBERT | AP | March 19, 2007 05:47 PM EST

WASHINGTON — A former White House official accused of improperly editing reports on global warming defended his editorial changes Monday as reflecting views expressed in a 2001 report by the National Academy of Sciences.

House Democrats said the 181 changes made in three climate reports reflected a consistent attempt to emphasize uncertainties surrounding the science of climate change and undercut the broad conclusions that man-made emissions are warming the earth.

Philip Cooney, former chief of staff at the White House Council on Environmental Quality, acknowledged at a House hearing that some of the changes he made were "to align these communications with the administration's stated policy" on climate change.

The extent of Cooney's editing of government climate reports first surfaced in 2005. Shortly thereafter, Cooney, a former oil industry lobbyist, left the White House to work at Exxon Mobil Corp.



so... he conveniently edits reports and then leaves to work at Exxon Mobil Corp ... oh my!

 

[Tatortot]

Jump off the nearest bridge

And save yourself all the anguish of the global warming. There are numerous scientists that disagree with your global warming scientists that have ZERO to do with oil companies. And one thing you've guys have never addressed is the fact that all of these same kind of scientists predicted a huge ice age back in the 70's and enormous food shortages. Were those experts correct???? NO!!!! They weren't. NO huge ice age, no massive food shortages. Can you explain how all of your experts were wrong back then??? This global warming garbage will disappear after the money well dries up likely in the next 10 to 15 yrs. Then your scare scientists will drum up something new that you guys can hang your hat on. Actually you guys are bordering on humerous now that I think of it and not boring so keep it coming, LOL.

And if you want to label someone stupid, look in the mirror, there it is right in front of you. You've been duped, you will see. I just wonder how much it's going to cost consumers of electricity, gas, etc. above the already outrages prices that are charged to chase an unattainable goal. Maybe you global warming dummies can ante up for the rest of us.

 

[Tatortot]

Paleoclimatologists unanimously agree on this point. Yes, Virginia, the Earth has been much warmer than today, and has been warmer over periods of millions of years. In fact, there have been geologic periods without polar ice caps.

Bonus question: has the atmosphere ever contained higher levels of CO2?

Apparently the CO2 levels were much higher back when the industrial revolution started between the 1940's and 1970's when all of these great scientists were predicting an catastrophic ice age. Big oops there, eh!!

 

[citylover]

another nimrod who thinks he's smarter than the American Association for the Advancement of Science

& the National Academy of Sciences

But then, as any good oil PR agent can tell you, those agencies are just full of idjits

 

[SilkyJohnson]

u mean this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6Wr1hcIp2U

 

[Randy Whorewald]

Excellent, (and very scientific), video Silky!!

 

[OTBn]

Excellent, (and very scientific), video Silky!!

Careful Randy... Climate science from climate scientists... not propagandizing journalists

 

[sdw]

77% of Canadians believe in Global Warming

Despite the best efforts of people like Al Gore and our own Citylover to discredit Global Warming, 77% of Canadians believe that it is a real danger needing as much or more attention as Health Care.

http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/To...emid=CTVNews/20070322/environment_poll_070322

 

[Lesbian Hunter]

The Flat Earth Society is an organization first based in England and later in Lancaster, California that advocates the belief that the Earth is not a sphere but is flat.

No modern scientists or religious groups have published support for this belief. This has exposed the society to much outside ridicule and made it a popular metaphor for dogmatic thinking and unreasoning adherence to tradition, with the term Flat-Earther coming to refer to a person who rejects changes in the scientific consensus, and by extension one who lives in the past.

 

[rollerboy]

The Flat Earth Society is an organization first based in England and later in Lancaster, California that advocates the belief that the Earth is not a sphere but is flat.

No modern scientists or religious groups have published support for this belief. This has exposed the society to much outside ridicule and made it a popular metaphor for dogmatic thinking and unreasoning adherence to tradition, with the term Flat-Earther coming to refer to a person who rejects changes in the scientific consensus, and by extension one who lives in the past.

Freeman Dyson is not a scientist? That's an absurd claim! Tell me, when were the laws of Quantum Electrodynamics repealed?

Did Louis Pasteur, Charles Darwin, Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, Newton, Lavoisier, Einstein, Planck, Heisenberg, and countless other innovators slavishly obey "consensus" herd mentality?

Proof by intimidation and appeal to authority carries no weight in establishing scientific fact. It was a fact of physics for fifty odd years that superconductivity above 23K was impossible. Until it wasn't. It was a fact of medicine for a century that bacteria could not survive in the stomach, and that ulcers were caused by excess stomach acids. Why bother with needless, painstaking experiments, when scientific consensus could have easily told us that CP symmetry cannot be broken?

Believing something simply because of authority and consensus is the reason humanity spent two thousand years believing that the Sun orbited the Earth, planetary orbits are circular, believing that matter naturally comes to rest (completely misunderstanding the Law of Inertia), and that heavier objects fall faster than lighter ones. These are evident facts which all educated persons have accepted since Aristotle.

 

[citylover]

Freeman Dyson is not a scientist?

If you'd bother to do your research...

Freeman Dyson is a crotchety old (84 yo) physicist and mathematician who has only questioned some of the marginal issues about global warming.

He doesn't outright deny global warming like others, but wrapped some general questions into a good personal PR campaign to go on the cocktail circuit. That's why the "studies" you cite w/ him are only commencement addresses. He's never published any research on the issue, just raised some questions.

& he's only questioned the utility of the proposed solutions to deal w/ the problem -- not that it isn't a problem. He just puts it in provocative ways for some publicity.

I'm not saying the warming doesn't cause problems, obviously it does. Obviously we should be trying to understand it. I'm saying that the problems are being grossly exaggerated. They take away money and attention from other problems that are much more urgent and important. Poverty, infectious diseases, public education and public health. Not to mention the preservation of living creatures on land and in the oceans
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This is a process not unlike the anti-science Christian Creationists who take spats over minor details in evolution theory & use them to claim the whole theory is wrong, or try to confuse things by saying "it's only a theory" (in common use of the word) rather than an accepted principle of science (scientific use of the term). Even gravity is a "theory" but no one ever shoots off into space.

Dyson likes to think of himself as a "heretic" for taking outlandish views; he also thinks the Ph.D. system is a terrible system & should be dismantled. But in real scientific circles looking at the issues, he'd have nothing to offer cause he only speaks in generalities and provocative bromides.

Another reason he's liked so well by the fantasy experts is that he's always been interested in theorizing about science fiction concepts, giving that subculture some credence -- sci fi & fantasy, the balm of pimply faced dweebs who never had a date in high school.

A few cocktail circuit addresses aren't a pimple on the ass of the accepted wisdom of real scientific agencies doing the actual reasearch & studies, like in the National Academy of Sciences and the American Association for the Advancement of Science, no matter how many maids carrying the water of Exxon will try to puff up even the most meager evidence to justify driving their SUVs around the mall parking lot.

Not, of course, that any of this will do any good... the partisan ideologues poh-pooh the Global Warming concerns because they think all environmentalism is simply a secret plan to foster a worldwide socialist dictatorship w/ Al Gore as king *snicker*

but the brilliant "skeptics of Global Warming" can go ahead & stand w/ the Flat Earth Society, the tobacco scientists, the Creationists --- birds of a feather

 

[Lesbian Hunter]

If you'd bother to do your research...

Freeman Dyson is a crotchety old (84 yo) physicist and mathematician QUOTE]

At what age do you relinquish your credentials?

Mother Theresa won the Nobel Prize at 69.
Nelson Mandella at 75
Linus Pauling at 61
Lester Pearson at 60
Winston Churchill at 69.

I guess, to use your words, they're "crotchety" and unworthy of recognition.

 

[Randy Whorewald]

Less than 4% of CO2 is man made. In addition, if you include water vapour which makes up well over 99% of all of the Earth's greenhouse gases, the human contribution to global warming through CO2 emissions is about 0.117%. (http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html)

This number is really insignificant, if you consider this as a function of the warming over the past thirty years (less than one degree celsius) it accounts for about one one-thousandth of a degree change. The sun is a much better indicator.

 

[phukedup1]

We Deserve Extinction

With some of the opinions out there I believe we as a species deserve to die off boiling in our own piss or baked in our shit. It's the fate the human species deserves. That's based on the arguments presented by the people who don't want to do anything about the air they breathe every second of their lives. Most of the arguments here sound like the same ones that holocaust deniers bring forth while painting themselves as victims. Pathetic.

Or look at it this way. What are the results if we as a species work on improving our air and environment whether or not the doomsayers are right or wrong? A better planet to live on and improved air to breath. What's the downside to this?

On the other hand, what are the results if the doomsayers are right and we don't do a damned thing because we're such a bunch of selfish shortsighted bastards? Extinction.

 

[rollerboy]

With some of the opinions out there I believe we as a species deserve to die off boiling in our own piss or baked in our shit. It's the fate the human species deserves. That's based on the arguments presented by the people who don't want to do anything about the air they breathe every second of their lives. Most of the arguments here sound like the same ones that holocaust deniers bring forth while painting themselves as victims. Pathetic.

Or look at it this way. What are the results if we as a species work on improving our air and environment whether or not the doomsayers are right or wrong? A better planet to live on and improved air to breath. What's the downside to this?

On the other hand, what are the results if the doomsayers are right and we don't do a damned thing because we're such a bunch of selfish shortsighted bastards? Extinction.

How...dramatic. Is this dispassionate, logical, emotionless reason?

Not to belittle your beliefs, but it sounds hysterical. "We're all gonna die! We're doomed to extinction! Repent."

Once you invoke the Holocaust to prove your theory about climate change, you've lost the argument.

 

[rollerboy]

Despite the best efforts of people like Al Gore and our own Citylover to discredit Global Warming, 77% of Canadians believe that it is a real danger needing as much or more attention as Health Care.

http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/To...emid=CTVNews/20070322/environment_poll_070322

That's swell, but Canadian CO2 emissions are up by over a third since Kyoto. Much more than the climate Heretics south of the border.

What you believe is irrelevant if you can't put it into action.

 

[phukedup1]

How...dramatic. Is this dispassionate, logical, emotionless reason?

Not to belittle your beliefs, but it sounds hysterical. "We're all gonna die! We're doomed to extinction! Repent."

Once you invoke the Holocaust to prove your theory about climate change, you've lost the argument.

Obviously, someone has never heard of hyperbole. My post was meant to be humorous.

The Holocaust was not invoked to prove any theory. I'm just comparing the reasoning used by the naysayers to the reasoning that the Holocaust denyers use. Simply by claiming that a conspiracy is trying to shut them up and playing victim.

I'll simplify my point. There is no reason to do nothing. Whether the doomsayers are right or not we have nothing to lose by looking after the planet that supports us and everything to lose if they're right.