american pride??????

[smackyo]

so this new orleans situation is fucked. now i'm sure its no surprise to anyone that i am not a fan of the u.s. government but fuck man this is the time to put all differences aside. the demographic of the people in the southern u.s. don't look like bush supporters, and even if they were so what.

however for the life of me i can't figure out why big daddy bush hasn't asked us to help out yet????? we want to help on a bigger scale, we've offered out help. what the prime minister said is not a joke we want to be there and we are making preperations as we speak http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/09/02/canadian_response20050902.html. but we have not been givin the green light by the u.s. administration to go down there in full force http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/09/01/martin_bush_katrina_20050901.html. what is it, pride that keeps them from asking us to help? the thought that maybe they've fucked us around so much that they can't ask us?

well whatever the case is bush just pick up the fucking phone and tell martin to send down the help we have been preparing since day one to help you. or is not asking for help some type of playing of politics. dude this is not the time for it if this is the case. i'm pretty sure the world will still be affraid of your war capabilities and whatever else if you ask for help with this, it understandable.

 

[ace85]

new Orleans is in TRIAGE right now!

Bad action during chaos creates more CHAOS.

The reality is running around trying and pretending to do things during disasters means what you look like you are trying to do things.

THis is bigger and different becasue of the FLOODING. and BECAUSE it is a WHOLE CITY.

What happened during 9-11. Firefighters ran up the stairs to put out a fire that couldn't be put out. They actually slowed the escape of the victims, and set up traige underneath buildings that were going to collapse.

The are heroes for their willingness to put themselves at risk, but even now Guliani admits that they thought the worst was the planes crashing, and didn't really think of the distaster as stage 1 and then stage 2 the result. At least not in the first couple of hours. To be honest their initial reactions were wrong. That is what usually happens.

HARD Hard decisions have to be made. They are being made, but the decisions that are being made now, and the actions that are being taken now are about the majority of the victims, not every single victim.

It is a simple reality.

 

[Bruddha]

Yes, it is interesting that the US has not given Canada the green light. I do not give the US goverment much credit, believing that their 'hesitation' is a clear indication of the true nature of the Bush administration. If an administration can have an ego, then theirs is big enough to blind them. This may not all be very fair to comment on in these early stages, but it is also interesting that the biggest problem for the relief efforts are security related. Call me ignorant, but I just do not believe that the same scope of looting would happen in Canada.

 

[Ilovethemall]

hmmmmmm

I just think they were totally overwhelmed by it - and that FEMA are idiots. FEMA's whole reason for existence is to preapre for this stuff and they have fucked the dog, big time.

Canada is ready to help but sending planeloads of shit down there is not the answer - first the Americans have to get organized so they know what they need and where - can you imagine the chaos if we dropped a bunch of food and water on the Superdome - people would kill each other to get it.

It is the lack of control and planning that is killing people, not lack of supplies.

The governor of Louisiana is a waste of skin, god she is useless.

 

[ace85]

Worse than Possibly IMAGINED

UNPREPARed no, overwhelmed yes.

The reality of the situation is that more people are going to die. Sad yes, avoidable probably not.

 

[wilde]

Call me ignorant, but I just do not believe that the same scope of looting would happen in Canada.

Me too, and having less guns may have something to do with it.

 

[Cali Scott]

Ashamed to be an American

so this new orleans situation is fucked. now i'm sure its no surprise to anyone that i am not a fan of the u.s. government but fuck man this is the time to put all differences aside. the demographic of the people in the southern u.s. don't look like bush supporters, and even if they were so what.

however for the life of me i can't figure out why big daddy bush hasn't asked us to help out yet????? we want to help on a bigger scale, we've offered out help. what the prime minister said is not a joke we want to be there and we are making preperations as we speak http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/09/02/canadian_response20050902.html. but we have not been givin the green light by the u.s. administration to go down there in full force http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/09/01/martin_bush_katrina_20050901.html. what is it, pride that keeps them from asking us to help? the thought that maybe they've fucked us around so much that they can't ask us?

well whatever the case is bush just pick up the fucking phone and tell martin to send down the help we have been preparing since day one to help you. or is not asking for help some type of playing of politics. dude this is not the time for it if this is the case. i'm pretty sure the world will still be affraid of your war capabilities and whatever else if you ask for help with this, it understandable.

I found this article that says it all:
Ashamed To Be An American
By Ted Lang ©2004-2005
All Rights Reserved
9-3-5

As we reflected in horror and with a great sadness brought on by a haunting nostalgic emptiness with the realization of the passing of our once-great nation, signified by a new threshold of unprecedented "terrorist attacks upon the US mainland on September 11, 2001, we were inspired by Lee Greenwood's now famous ode, "God Bless the USA. Its key point: we should accept defeat, pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and get back in the race; after all, we are Americans and should be proud that we enjoy the greatest freedoms in all humanity.

That hype might have worked for Americans back then, myself included; but as some of US began to question and to analyze, we arrived at irrefutable conclusions based on astonishingly strong circumstantial evidence. The Bush regime's odd behavior and its lightning scrambles to remove, hide, and cover up such evidence served to firmly back up suspicions of a series of deliberate, conspiratorial, arrangements that seem to have been perpetrated by Bush's neoconservative handlers.

Everything that could possibly have been said and written concerning the hurricane disaster just visited upon Louisiana and Mississippi already has been. It is beyond my poor power to add or detract. The miserable failings, once again, of the Bush administration, of the Congress, of FEMA, of the Corps of Engineers, and "the State in general, have been aired. No further purpose is served in discovering new creative political attacks to further criticize Bush and America's incompetent government organizations and bureaucracies.

People deserve the government they want, and most in America have supported this low class, incompetent, disastrous and secret cabal government that has brought US down.

Republican Paul Craig Roberts says it best:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts120.html

"The Bush administration is damned by its gross incompetence. Bush has squandered the lives and health of thousands of people. He has run through hundreds of billions of borrowed dollars. He has lost America's reputation and its allies. With barbaric torture and destruction of our civil liberty, he has stripped America of its inherent goodness and morality. And now Bush has lost America's largest port and 25 percent of its oil supply. Why? Because Bush started a gratuitous war egged on by a claque of crazy neoconservatives who have sacrificed America's interests to their insane agenda.

Are these the things Americans should be proud of? Hardly! And NO! I am NOT proud to be an American - not any longer! If spineless, gutless, immoral and ignorant American sheeple cannot see the error of our now-Big Brother Government, they deserve a 9-11 and a New Orleans disaster on a daily basis! If they cannot or will not awaken from their stupor, than perhaps God and Bush will wipe US of the face the earth! 21st century Pearl Harbor, huh? What is needed is to rid the world of its 21st century political dinosaurs - Americans!

Imagine dead bodies in wheel chairs and rotting in the intense heat under decaying blankets. Is this a concept of America that generates envy, or the world's pity and contempt? Imagine day old babies dying and lying on the ground without an appropriate burial! Imagine the dead floating in the street while Bush and his secret cabal withhold aid for five days to teach America dependency on government. Hey America, aren't you pleased?! So what the hell is there to be proud of?

 

[Cali Scott]

UNPREPARed no, overwhelmed yes.

The reality of the situation is that more people are going to die. Sad yes, avoidable probably not.

Corruption down there means that the city is operating with pumps that are a hundred years old and levee's that are badly in need of repair.

This does not excuse the federal government's lame response so far to the situation. Practically had to beg the get the Shrub off of is vacationing ass and DO something.

 

[hornydude]

Incorrect Premise

This thread is flawed in that right now there are in fact small teams of emergency 1st responders from Canada actually in NO (including 1 from vancouver)...also Canada has been asked by the US to release strategic oil reserves.

Furthermore, 1 navy destroyer, 2 frigates, and a coast guard vessel (with 1000 personnel) are being loaded now in Halifax with supplies such as generators and water purification units and will sail to NO on Tuesday (see the CBC website). The ships are also to carry military engineers to assist in levee rebuilding/ draining the city.

So Canada has been asked to offer help and has stepped up to the plate.

 

[Jimboyready]

American pride

Hey! where is Lazydog (Lucky Dog). Now is the time to really honour the troops helping out in New Orleans. Who cares about the black people anyway.

 

[smackyo]

This thread is flawed in that right now there are in fact small teams of emergency 1st responders from Canada actually in NO (including 1 from vancouver)...also Canada has been asked by the US to release strategic oil reserves.

Furthermore, 1 navy destroyer, 2 frigates, and a coast guard vessel (with 1000 personnel) are being loaded now in Halifax with supplies such as generators and water purification units and will sail to NO on Tuesday (see the CBC website). The ships are also to carry military engineers to assist in levee rebuilding/ draining the city.

So Canada has been asked to offer help and has stepped up to the plate.

at the time i made the thread we had shit ready to go like a day after it happend and no help was asked for, even after our prime minister personally called bush. follow the links i posted with my original thread.

 

[HowieMeeker]

there are in fact teams of emergency 1st responders from Canada actually in NO (including 1 from vancouver)...also Canada has been asked by the US to release strategic oil reserves.

Furthermore, 1 navy destroyer, 2 frigates, and a coast guard vessel (with 1000 personnel) are being loaded now in Halifax and will sail to NO on Tuesday

This IS impressive. What other country in the world would send its entire naval fleet and all of its soldiers, active and reserve, to aid a neighbour.

Pretty impressive.

 

[lenny]

This IS impressive. What other country in the world would send its entire naval fleet and all of its soldiers, active and reserve, to aid a neighbour.

Pretty impressive.

That helps Canada to be the best country on earth to live in...

Maybe not SP-wise, but in many other ways...

 

[rockyy]

What other country in the world would send its entire naval fleet

we have a 'fleet'...?

 

[Sigpig02]

Yep

One in Halifax and one in Esquimalt . Well at least that what it says on paper.

 

[smackyo]

so also why won't they accept the help of the cuban doctors that ready to go?

 

[gotsome2004]

Politics

That is correct Smakyo, I saw it too in BBC news that The US gov hasn't returned a reply to Cuba's offer of 1000 doctors and aid to the victims of Katrina. Cuba has accumulated insight from their own experiences with hurricane disasters in spite of US embargos against her, yet it would seem that America can't afford the political embarrasment of accepting help from Cuba. Its not like America can't find the money and political will to help their own people, oh wait, they can't, nevermind. Being poor and black doesn't count I guess.

 

[FuZzYknUckLeS]

What a bunch of political BS.

 

[georgebushmoron]

What a bunch of political BS.

Accept defeat, it's healthy.

 

[ace85]

Corruption down there means that the city is operating with pumps that are a hundred years old and levee's that are badly in need of repair.

This does not excuse the federal government's lame response so far to the situation. Practically had to beg the get the Shrub off of is vacationing ass and DO something.

The President is only doing symbolic things.

Again the reality is a Hurricane hit a city 10-20 feet below sea level. Causing a giant flood.

Sorry, but any one short of GOD can't do much about it.

Here is the reality, it is a HUGE NATURAL and MANMADE DISASTER. The response hasn't been poor, tell me a huge disaster when you say WOW they handled that perfectly.

The fact that the simple expectations of North American citzens is for Running Water, Flush TOILETs and electricity means that no matter what happens people will be out of their comfort zone. Right now what can be expected is less than the victims are willing to accept. Couple that with the fact that most have lost everything, and you are going to have people that are unhappy.

Any situation like this the government quietly goes about their business helping those they can, but not waving their arms to remind those that they won't be helping that they WON"T get any help.

It is how the world works.