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HankQuinlan

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I was just replied to in another post by our resident conspiracy theorist, with whom the mods have been playing whack-a-mole for a long time now. No, I am not a fan of any paranoid wingnut with simplistic, and unproven, theories of everything....whether it is the Pope or Glen Beck or Alex Jones.

If anybody has a rabid following that believes their hero has "all the answers," they should be suspect because of that alone.

I believe that such people gain their following through the same principle as religious cults. They appeal to those that need answers and meaning, and they provide it.

In Mr. Jones' case, he provides a great deal of truth -- of the kind that is "controversial" to those who grew up exposed only to mainstream propaganda. His "exposes" of well-documented facts (for example, the US has a long history of suppressing democracy in other nations where it conflicts with their perceived interests, the military-industrial complex has more influence in government than voters, the rich and powerful meet together to discuss strategies to advance their agendas, cops often abuse their positions, the official 9/11 report is less than perfect).

His readers/listeners then go "Wow! that makes a lot of sense. Maybe the mainstream media doesn't tell us everything that is important! Let's hear more!". What happens then, is they believe that all these contradictions must make sense -- there must be a meaning behind this. After all, things couldn't happen just because people are greedy, incompetent and/or stupid, or liars? There must be a force with an evil plan that ties all of this together, mustn't there?

So, all the cult leader has to do is provide an enemy, and an answer. It used to be The Devil -- a force behind all the evil and injustice that people experience. To followers of Mr. Jones, it is a shadowy cabal that fixes all international events in pursuit of their ultimate goal -- just like cheap sci-fi movie villains, it is the enslavement of the entire human race. They planned the financial collapse, they plan all wars, etc.

Just like with other cults, there are two types of people -- those in the know (who agree with everything he says), and there are "Sheeple" (those who just can't see the truth). There are no grey areas. Those of us who live in the "grey area" -- who see the complexity of human events, and do not believe in the answers of conspiracy theorists, religions of any type, or simplistic politics, do not belong anywere, I guess.

But I am sure I could be convinced by another link to the third tower collapsing on 9/11, or another quote where some prominent politician makes reference to "a new world order."
 

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Oh, and that's another thing common to all cults. All holy texts are always without error....you just have to interpret them correctly. The Bible, The Koran, The Book of Mormon, Dianetics,....and Infowars/Prison Planet.
 

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Hold on. Hank are you telling me that I don't get to stone my wife if she shows her naked face to another man? Do I really have to marry burnt out old 15 year olds instead of a nice virginal 9 - 12 year old? Is it wrong to make sure to not have too much inbreeding by trading my daughters for their daughters?
It all depends on which cult you belong to, and how your particular spiritual leader interprets the holy writ. But you definitely need to believe what you are told within that context.
 

HankQuinlan

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It has been suggested in a soon-to-be deleted comment that Alex Jones just presents "news." I guess that means that he doesn't "interpret" or spin the news he selects to support his hypothesis. I suppose you could say exactly the same about Glen Beck (who is also a cult leader, whose followers would deny that is the case). Or the fundamentalist preacher that insists he doesn't "interpret" the Bible; he just states the "truth."

There is no reason to point to specifics, because a true believer would be unable to see it. Just like pointing out to a devout Catholic that a virgin birth makes no sense, pointing out that Jones spins stories only to support his truth would have no effect on followers of his cult.
 

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The only valid expression of God the Creator;is the natural world,with which we were bestowed.
All religions are human fabrications;designed to manipulate other people,through their fear of the unknown.
Repudiate,religious ignorance & superstition.
Embrace,secular knowledge & ecological responsibility.

Englebert Humperdink
Amen, brother.
 

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Don't you think the best way to deal with these conspiracy theory asshats is to disengage / ignore them?
 

HankQuinlan

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Don't you think the best way to deal with these conspiracy theory asshats is to disengage / ignore them?
I know, I know. The truth is, I noticed that Rolling Stone has a feature article on Jones:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...nes-the-most-paranoid-man-in-america-20110302

What impressed me most was that the comments section was filled in almost completely by Jones cult members protesting that not everyone accepted everything he said as the gospel truth.
 

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I know, I know. The truth is, I noticed that Rolling Stone has a feature article on Jones:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...nes-the-most-paranoid-man-in-america-20110302

What impressed me most was that the comments section was filled in almost completely by Jones cult members protesting that not everyone accepted everything he said as the gospel truth.
I understand the temptation, but it really is pointless. When someone has a worldview based on fantasy, how can you change their mind?
 

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I have yet to see any denial by Alex Jones that he has appeared in over 20 gay porn videos. A friend of my cousin's wife's boss's dog walker's gay hairdresser informed me of this nugget of Alex Jones info (the lack of a denial). I think that there is obviously something to this...
To give Jones some credit, there is nothing wrong with gay porn and he shouldn't have to deny it. At least it's not as bad as Glenn Beck raping and murdering a young girl. He really has to deny it and provide the proof that he didn't do it.
http://foxnewsboycott.com/glenn-beck/glenn-beck-raped-and-murdered-a-girl-in-1990/
 

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You know - when sunflowers all turn their pretty little faces towards the sun at the same time, it's because that's what sunflowers do - it's not a conspiracy. When greedy, ugly people rape the land, murder thousands for profit and declare it a holy war, pollute the land and water to improve their quarterly reports, sell kiddy porn, drugs or other destructive fantasies for profit and generally act in ways that no intelligent person would act if he or she knew they were being watched, that's not a conspiracy either. It just looks like one.
 

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Aint it wunnerful when they also get to be senators and congressmen and Governors?????????????

What is it with Right Wing Religious NutCakes? They all rail against Abortion, Homosexuality and Social Benefits; they all eventually get caught doing things with small children, small animals and people of their own gender. It's almost as if you can predict what the Nutcake is going to get caught doing by what they rail against.
 

HankQuinlan

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The only valid expression of God the Creator is the natural world, with which we were bestowed.
All religions are human fabrications designed to manipulate other people, through their fear of the unknown.
Repudiate religious ignorance & superstition.
Embrace secular knowledge & ecological responsibility.

Englebert Humperdink
You know, this made me think. I do not believe in a God the Creator, but if there was one, you are right (and even if there isn't one).

In my case, the closest I have come to a feeling of "spirituality" is not from exposure to the natural world, but from exposure to human expression in the arts, most often to those which were inspired by religious feeling. I have been struck by a feeling of awe: the first time I entered St. Peter's; when I saw the van Gogh museum; when I listen to Coltrane's A Love Supreme or Pharoah Sanders' The Creator Has a Master plan, or to Mozart's symphonies, or to great gospel singers and choirs (I can believe until the music is over). I have had the same feeling from works of science and engineering: standing on the Great Wall, watching the moon landing on TV in our classroom as a kid (oops - forgot that was a conspiracy too).

It is the potential of human possibility that inspires me (John Lennon singing Imagine). It is the waste of that potential that keeps me pissed off (some friggin' moron cutting off his existence because of some voice in his head).
 

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What he said!
The only valid expression of God the Creator;is the natural world,with which we were bestowed.
All religions are human fabrications;designed to manipulate other people,through their fear of the unknown.
Repudiate,religious ignorance & superstition.
Embrace,secular knowledge & ecological responsibility.

Englebert Humperdink
 

lantzman

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hey silky, are you always so brave behind the keyboard when you insult people? I would like to see you insult someone face to face.. Of course it will never happen. Too many consequences.
 
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Truly amazed that Silky aka John Adams has not already posted this

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ex-goldman-sachs-analyst-major-war-coming-end-of-2012.html

Yup, Alex Jones interviewed a fellow nutter who claims that America will be attacked, with nuclear weapons, in 2012.
Well it was a clip off Fox news. Alex didn't interview this guy. And I listened to the entire clip and read the article. Nowhere does it say "nuclear war" just says "major war".

They are just reporting on what this Nenner gentlemen is predicting.
 
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