Albertans have balls...
- Thread starter Maury Beniowski
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Yep - that they do. Good for him. There's lots of shit I find offensive in the paper but I don't blow stuff up in protest.
Yep - that they do. Good for him. There's lots of shit I find offensive in the paper but I don't blow stuff up in protest.
Canada does not observe Sharia.
How can you debate the catoons without seeing them? Some of the cartoons don't even have the prophet in them, and others make valid points. I would like to see an Imam post a sensible critique of each separate cartoon. Unless they are afraid or incapable of reasoned debate.
If those who do not follow their scripture are forced to follow their rules where will it end? Maybe we should picket Safeway for selling pig's flesh, and women should be required to wear burkas or at least headscarves. Let's beat women who do with rebar like they did in Afghanistan. And flog those who drink alcohol.
Why debate when you can throw rocks? More fun and no dangerous ideas.
How can you debate the catoons without seeing them? Some of the cartoons don't even have the prophet in them, and others make valid points. I would like to see an Imam post a sensible critique of each separate cartoon. Unless they are afraid or incapable of reasoned debate.
If those who do not follow their scripture are forced to follow their rules where will it end? Maybe we should picket Safeway for selling pig's flesh, and women should be required to wear burkas or at least headscarves. Let's beat women who do with rebar like they did in Afghanistan. And flog those who drink alcohol.
Why debate when you can throw rocks? More fun and no dangerous ideas.
I don`t understand the violent reaction either.
I don`t have a drop of Polish blood in my veins, and I`m 100% pro-choice, but I consider this "joke" to be way more offensive than any of the Mohammed cartoons:
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=412895&postcount=2
I don`t have a drop of Polish blood in my veins, and I`m 100% pro-choice, but I consider this "joke" to be way more offensive than any of the Mohammed cartoons:
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=412895&postcount=2
well I'd like to think soMaury Beniowski said:
EXACTLY!!! Burning down buildings and calling for thousands to be killed is NOT a reasonable response to freedom of speech.Ilovethemall said:
I've seen them all and for the life of me can't find a damn thing offensive. They point out that Mohamed and Islamism has been perverted by certain extremists. If the more moderate Muslims wanted to do something to effectively protect the image of their religion they'd be better served to protest the terrorists and extremists.westwoody said:
I think its about time the Western world stops pussy footing around when it comes to identifying that the enemy in this particular war are extremists who have chosen to wrap themselves in a warped version of the Islam faith. And as part of our response its only fair that we hit those extremists where it hurts and if that means showing Mohamed with a bomb in his turban so be it. Should also take a note from Bill Mahr that if/when we kill any of these terrorists we bury them "wrong"....with a 26 of Jack Danials, a side of pork, a copy of Hustler and wrapped in the American Flag!
Ditto....if I still had my mod hammer someone would be enjoying a short time out.Avery said:
I think the cartoonist hit too close to the truth. The islamist fanatics are a bunch of hot heads and dangerous.
I say feed them to the pigs. The fanatics are the greatest danger to world peace since the Austrian paperhanger in the 1930's.
There. I Godwin'd the thread...
I say feed them to the pigs. The fanatics are the greatest danger to world peace since the Austrian paperhanger in the 1930's.
There. I Godwin'd the thread...
gravitas said:
Therein lies the problem but then again you are not exactly Muslim, are you? What if the Muslim world started telling anyone who will listen that Jesus Christ is really a very good con man and any religion based upon that are the biggest con in the history of mankind?
Personally, I am more of an agnostic so I don't give a shit either way.
You raise a very valid point and I guess if I put my empathy hat on I should have realized that for peace loving Muslims there may be something offensive about the cartoons. However, if I was said Muslim I'd be FAR more offended, and openly vocal, about what the terrorists have done to fuck with my religion.wilde said:
I'd probably tell her she has a hell of a good point. I don't doubt that there was someone who went by the name Jesus Christ but there are a whole lot of things I was taught that simply don't wash starting with the immaculate conception. The bigger beef I have with Christianity is how its been messed with. The crusades (now there's a reason for Muslims to have been pissed) to modern day cock suckers like Tom Baker or the uber prick Pat Robertson have shown us that you can just as easily mess up a good profits name.wilde said:
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If the danish cartooons caused riots
This photshop thread is going throw them over the top.
http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=1898359
To be honest, I would rather have the terrorists riot now before they get the Bomb.
This photshop thread is going throw them over the top.
http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=1898359
To be honest, I would rather have the terrorists riot now before they get the Bomb.
wilde said:
Actually, Mohammed is said to have ridden with his followers into village after village and lined up all the men and told them that they were to immediately convert to Islam. Anybody who refused or resisted in any way was beheaded with one of those big scimitars that they were in the habit of carrying. Like this, "Do you beleive in the one true God?" "No?" SWISH!! After the first swish, pretty much everybody joined up.
Other "prophets" sprung up and carried on the good work. Thusly spread Islam to a large part of the world.
What they had to say about Jesus Christ and Christianity doesn't bear repeating here.
Who pays the price for Levant's "courage"
Back to Mr. Levant publishing the cartoons: He was perfectly within his rights to publish them. On the other hand I would argue that doing so was unethical. He might get dragged into court, but his life is at little risk. On the other hand, if Muslim extremists decide to attack Canadians as a result, it could be some of our troops in Afganistan who pay the price.
"Discretion is the better part of valour" goes the old saying. Mr. Levant failed to exercise discretion, and he's counting on others to exercise the valour.
Gawd, never thought when I joined Perb that I'd be getting preachy!
Back to Mr. Levant publishing the cartoons: He was perfectly within his rights to publish them. On the other hand I would argue that doing so was unethical. He might get dragged into court, but his life is at little risk. On the other hand, if Muslim extremists decide to attack Canadians as a result, it could be some of our troops in Afganistan who pay the price.
"Discretion is the better part of valour" goes the old saying. Mr. Levant failed to exercise discretion, and he's counting on others to exercise the valour.
Gawd, never thought when I joined Perb that I'd be getting preachy!
It is frustrating that nobody actually seems to discuss the cartoons themselves. Never mind trying to change the subject by asking what Christians think about whatever-as if every single Christian is going to have the same opinion. Instead of discussing the cartoons some Iranians want to create cartoons about the Holocaust. They are afraid of debating the issue.wilde said:
Let's go through them 1 to 12 and discuss them. Unless you are afraid to.
BTW, I loved what Ezra Levant said on As It Happens tonight:the CBC loves to ridicule Bush and Christians because they know they can get away with it ,but when faced with a radical Muslim ,they fold up their tent. Just like every other cowardly media outlet in Canada.
If a bunch of thugs can dictate what we can show in our newspapers then we have suffered a greater defeat than 9-11.
I'm going to let my inner redneck out with this comment but that's what ALL Canadian media does when faced with any overly vocal minority. Was the same situation when the gays got all pissy over marriage.westwoody said:
Where were all the Islamic protesters after 9-11 marching in the streets of Palestine, or Montreal for that matter, calling out against the terrorists who acted in the name of Mohamed? NO WHERE and that's why as a collective group I have very little respect for them. I'm not being hateful or racist just stating the facts. I have at 5 friends I can easily think of who are practicing Muslims and of them only 2 were vocally outraged after 9/11 and felt that what happened was an affront to their religion. Of those same 5 its those two are the only ones who've taken the time to find the cartoons and agree with the portrayal and have not felt it was an insult to their faith. When asked why their answers were the same, the cartoons represent a portion of their faith no differently then the KKK represents a portion of Christians.westwoody said:
And speaking of Palestine, I'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit of burning down embassies, calling for the execution of the cartoonists (how fucked up is that comment...the execution of cartoonists...its a CARTOON....about the only cartoonist who needs to be punished is Cathy Guisewite), parading their children through the streets calling for vengeance all the while accepting $234 million in US aid. Two words...FUCK OFF!
One thing we have to remember when considering the imaginary threat these radical extremists present: They only get riled up when the cameras (CNN) are turned on. After that, they go home to their mundane lives and wives. Wars in the Middle (Arab) East, are fought from nine to five. That's what happened during the Iran-Iraq conflict. The "fighters" commuted to the front in the morning, fought lame battles during the allotted "paid" hours, and then went home for the night. If ever a real war broke out between the West and any Arab pretenders, only one side would show up. The extremists would stay home and polish up their scimitars...
Uhhh...I remember watching TV in Britain and seeing a big front end loader dumping bodies of Iranians into a trench that must have been 50 by 10 meters. A couple of thousand at least, this was after one of the Iranian human wave attacks. There were also photos of the same event in an old New Look magazine. The Iran-Iraq war killed about a million.Maury Beniowski said:
Religous Freedom and Free Speech
I am an Albertan (WASP) and it appears this could head to the courts to decide which takes precedent? We have all seen POLITICAL cartoons with Bush, Hiltler, Bin Landin, and others with bombs, guns, what ever other weapons of man inhumanity to man can condor. I wonder what would have happen if the cartoon featured the Christian son of God Jesus, what would have been our the western world's stance. Mr Levant did not publish pictures of the Holicost in June 2003 when they marked the annivesary of those events. Double standard?
I am an Albertan (WASP) and it appears this could head to the courts to decide which takes precedent? We have all seen POLITICAL cartoons with Bush, Hiltler, Bin Landin, and others with bombs, guns, what ever other weapons of man inhumanity to man can condor. I wonder what would have happen if the cartoon featured the Christian son of God Jesus, what would have been our the western world's stance. Mr Levant did not publish pictures of the Holicost in June 2003 when they marked the annivesary of those events. Double standard?
Thank you for posting those Makhno.
1 and 2 I don't really get whatever they are saying.
3 doesn't really say anything, it's just a stylised image, certainly not offensive as it's not meant to be an accurate representation anyway.
4-now you're getting to the heart of the matter. Anyone who has been in the Mideast and seen how the women are treated would be disgusted.
5-for crying out loud-how many jokes are there about St. Peter? Big deal.
6-is that supposed to be Mohammed writing Marxist crap? Is Hamas or Fatah Marxist? Just looks like a kid to me.
7-A valid comment on the fear instilled in the cartoonist, could be Sahlman Rushdie at his typewriter. Should the media avoid touchy subjects or confront them?
8-More like a comment about how we in the West look at all Muslims as one and the same.
9-See my comment about number four-only offensive if you think God demands you treat women like shit. Maybe the Catholic church and Islam can agree on that.
10-I don't see the prophet in this one, is the idea of an Imam with a sense of perspective funny in itself?
11-Islam itself is ready to explode, the radicals themselves say it all the time. Is suicide bombing really something the prophet would approve of? The Koran expressly forbids harming non-combatants, yet I've heard Canadian Muslims say every man woman and child in Israel is a legitimate target. It also forbids harming emmisaries and diplomats, tell that to the Canadian diplomat who just got killed.
12-A comment on the cartoons and their publisher, not Islam. Note the words "PR-STUNT".
1 and 2 I don't really get whatever they are saying.
3 doesn't really say anything, it's just a stylised image, certainly not offensive as it's not meant to be an accurate representation anyway.
4-now you're getting to the heart of the matter. Anyone who has been in the Mideast and seen how the women are treated would be disgusted.
5-for crying out loud-how many jokes are there about St. Peter? Big deal.
6-is that supposed to be Mohammed writing Marxist crap? Is Hamas or Fatah Marxist? Just looks like a kid to me.
7-A valid comment on the fear instilled in the cartoonist, could be Sahlman Rushdie at his typewriter. Should the media avoid touchy subjects or confront them?
8-More like a comment about how we in the West look at all Muslims as one and the same.
9-See my comment about number four-only offensive if you think God demands you treat women like shit. Maybe the Catholic church and Islam can agree on that.
10-I don't see the prophet in this one, is the idea of an Imam with a sense of perspective funny in itself?
11-Islam itself is ready to explode, the radicals themselves say it all the time. Is suicide bombing really something the prophet would approve of? The Koran expressly forbids harming non-combatants, yet I've heard Canadian Muslims say every man woman and child in Israel is a legitimate target. It also forbids harming emmisaries and diplomats, tell that to the Canadian diplomat who just got killed.
12-A comment on the cartoons and their publisher, not Islam. Note the words "PR-STUNT".
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