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wolverine

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Why have they been doing "back to school" ads since the end of July? Summer's not even over yet! I sure as hell don't want any reminders that the end of summer is coming until at least the end of August, and I'm sure those poor kids don't want that either. :mad:
 

rickoshadows

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"It's the most wonderful time of the year."

Man, I love that Staples comercial!
 

dirtydan

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wolverine said:
Why have they been doing "back to school" ads since the end of July? Summer's not even over yet! I sure as hell don't want any reminders that the end of summer is coming until at least the end of August, and I'm sure those poor kids don't want that either. :mad:
In today's commercialized world there are Christmas displays in the store before Halloween comes around. :(
 

LonelyGhost

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wolverine said:
I'm sure those poor kids don't want that either. :mad:
oh fuck the little stinkin' brats ... school should be 365 with time off
for good behaviour!

otherwise they should be in class by 5:30 am and on their way home
by 5:30 pm and 90% of that time should be digging or cleaning latrines!
 

hitrack

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I really don't see why the little pricks need 2 mos off. 1 month is more than enough.
 

LonelyGhost

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hitrack said:
I really don't see why the little pricks need 2 mos off. 1 month is more than enough.
who gets a whole month off these days? if you got two parents
(and who has two parents at home these days) who get two weeks
off each then you can cover a month!

the current school system is still based on an agrarian economy
and even farmers don't hire students anymore for summer jobs.

rather see a semester system with two-weeks off between
each semester and go full year.

in grade 12, they can drop the last semester so the fucks can
work to pay for U but ONLY if they got accepted ...
 

Rod Steel

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LonelyGhost said:
who gets a whole month off these days?
Its not the kids' faults, the teachers get more than two months off. Add to that the numerous "professional" days and they look like they've got it pretty good. I wouldn't be opposed to having the number of teachers' work days increased and that in turn would keep the kids in classes longer. Of course that wouldn't go over too well with Ginny Sims.
 

LonelyGhost

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Rod Steel said:
Its not the kids' faults, the teachers get more than two months off. Add to that the numerous "professional" days and they look like they've got it pretty good. I wouldn't be opposed to having the number of teachers' work days increased and that in turn would keep the kids in classes longer. Of course that wouldn't go over too well with Ginny Sims.

yup, teachers should work a full year or fuck off. they can go on a semester
system and take one full semester off every couple years for professional
development and be happy.

around here, there were so many 'pro-days' that nearly every second friday
there were gangs of kids standing around on the streets wondering whose
yard to vandalize!

the system is NUTS! too much money to administration (our little community is a
school 'district' so it has a 'super' who makes over $165,000 per year!!!) and then
there are other administrators, principals, etc...

as for teachers, there is a curriculum they follow and that's their job: if they do
extra-curricular activities, then they should be compensated a reasonable amount
for doing that 'job' ... though why they can't fire the admin assholes and hire some
people to do the sports, arts, music is beyond me!
 

CJ Tylers

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Of course, they are effectively laid off for those 2 months...no income... not sure about you, but I wouldn't want to be laid off for 2 months every year. Maybe if I was paid for it, but they aren't.

Professional Developement days? You have to be kidding me! That's where they effectively are forced to sit around in a meeting from hell environment for an entire day and not get anything productive done...all at the insistance of the government. Damn, I'm glad I never went into teaching.

Let's see... everyone expects them to baby sit their little brats after school is out...yet nobody wants to pay them for it. The non slacker teachers also usually have about 2-3 hours or more of paper work each night, all in order to ensure that those little, demanding, brats have a good education.

Then you have the parents, who are accountable for nothing... but feel they have the right to complain about (and to) the teacher because little johny dumbass is...well...a dumbass.... but isn't getting top marks...or isn't the basket ball star.

It's not like teachers can tell parents to go f%ck themselves... hell, if I had a bitchy client like that I'd drop em like a sack of stones and tell 'em I don't need clients like them.

Next... special needs kids. Let's see, 30 kids in a class, 1-3 special needs in a class, not enough teacher aides to manage them...yup... I'd be in mood to commit infanticide after a few hours...wouldn't you? Dealing with kids when you have no avenue of redressing misbehavior without risking dismissal or law suits is a rather depressing situation, no? Adults can either be dealt with reasonably or told to eff off...either works. No can do with kids.

Maybe try taking on the job for a while and actually succeeding at it....before you trash it and those people in it.

<< damn glad he's not a teacher.

NOW...low life, grease ball politicians.... who are paid top dollar for doing practically NOTHING... except occasionally lining their own pockets or those of their friends.... if you really want to talk about over paid, dog f%cking morons...
 

necko

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I think too that the kids get 2 months off because its assumed that there parent's will be taking them on a holiday, and we couldn't have everyone leaving for holidays at the same time, the 2 - 3 month window,In Europe and Japan family's get 5-6 weeks off for holidays whole factories shut down.for the summer break or retooling for the factory.I'll just be glad when our kids are back so I don't have to deal with other peoples kids!
 

LonelyGhost

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CJ Tylers said:
Of course, they are effectively laid off for those 2 months...no income... not sure about you, but I wouldn't want to be laid off for 2 months every year. Maybe if I was paid for it, but they aren't.

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would have been good if you had stayed in school long enough
to learn to comprehend what you read:

1. teachers get paid 'pro-rated' ... in other words, their 10 month
salary is actually for 12 months so its up to them to save for the
2 months they don't get a cheque.

2. PD days ... cancel them if they are that useless.

3. I said teachers should be paid for the after school stuff.

4. and 5. yup and yup ... don't blame the kids for having stupid parents.

6. another stupidity from the PC crowd ... special needs means they
have special needs and those can't be met in a regular classroom ...

7. agree about politicos ... but the admin in education (including their
fuckwad union lackeys) are ALL over-paid! i said to get rid of the admin
and use the money to hire more teachers.

hope you understood what i wrote this time, i used small words just for you.
 

georgebushmoron

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LonelyGhost said:
oh fuck the little stinkin' brats ... school should be 365 with time off
for good behaviour!

otherwise they should be in class by 5:30 am and on their way home
by 5:30 pm and 90% of that time should be digging or cleaning latrines!

You got that right. One reason why kids have so much time off, including summer break, professional days, Fridays off, etc. is because the teachers are so fucking lazy. An adult's responsibility is to have a job, take care of others, provide housing, transportation, etc. A kid's sole responsibility is only to educate. There is no valid reason why a kid should not be in school 8 hours a day with only 2 weeks vacation per year. There is still plenty of time for play.

Today's children are spoiled brats with expensive toys, cars, etc. I don't care if people can demonstrate that their kids are nice good little citizens, the fact remains that they can't handle any significant responsibility, are lazy, and are going to be incompetent adults. When they can't concentrate because they spend most of their time playing video games and listening to mind-numbing tunes of Britney, they are excused with "Attention Deficit Disorder". When competition is too fierce, they get to have proper letter grades removed from report cards. When the fat kids can't play sports, all scoring is removed. The whole North American education system is creating a generation of lazy, spoiled children in a culture of entitlement. It's time to nuke the entire teaching system.
 

CJ Tylers

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Lonely,you didn't read what I said either.... did you?

Teachers ARE pretty much laid off at the end of the school year... no income. nadda... unless they choose to have their monthly checks diminished so that they have checks come in over the entire year.

As for pro rating their salaries... well, that's not really any different than from any other seasonal worker in the world, now is it? I never said they didn't make decent cash ... which is what you appear to be hinting at... all I said was that they lose their job for two months... still not an ideal situation, if you ask me.

Now, let's look at their salary:

It takes 10 years to mature (as opposed to 4-5 years for most other professions) and starts off at 30K a year... hmm... around 15 dollars per hour for a standard 8 hour day (6 of which are spent in class, the remaining are spent in preparation..anything else is on their own time and unpaid). If they get their 5th year of teaching, they can make around 60K a year after 10 years... more for masters etc

Just as an incidental note, do you know how much money a baby sitter or day care makes per child? For 30 kids? Anyone complain about their hourly rates?

Really, teachers make decent coin.... but not alot by todays standards. It's easy to claim they are lazy, over paid and generally not worth much as long as you don't bother to really examine what is going on OR have to do their job yourself.

I will, however, agree with you entirely on the administration buffons that run things. What a bunch of slack jawed ninnies. Mind you, I consider them to be not much more than political appointments by our (typically) useless government... regardless of who is in power.

George Bush:
You know, the time off is actually mandated by the government. The teachers have no say in it. The only non teaching time they lobbied for was "prep time", so that they could have some time during work to actually prepare for what they would be teaching the children. I don't know about you, but there's no way in hell I'd spend unpaid hours working for any company.
 

LonelyGhost

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CJ Tylers said:
Really, teachers make decent coin.... but not alot by todays standards. It's easy to claim they are lazy, over paid and generally not worth much as long as you don't bother to really examine what is going on OR have to do their job yourself.
Not once did I ever say that teachers were lazy or over-paid.

Instead, I believe that they should have a full year of work
and earn a full year of pay -- it is the SYSTEM that sucks,
not necessarily the teachers.

And I said they should be paid for 'extra' work: in fact, fire the
administrators and give their salary to teachers.

ps: one of my parents was a teacher so I am aware of some of the issues.
 

georgebushmoron

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CJ Tylers said:
You know, the time off is actually mandated by the government. The teachers have no say in it. The only non teaching time they lobbied for was "prep time", so that they could have some time during work to actually prepare for what they would be teaching the children. I don't know about you, but there's no way in hell I'd spend unpaid hours working for any company.
The time mandated by government is greatly influenced by the lobbying of the teacher's union. As for anyone spending unpaid hours working for a company, I wouldn't blame you if you didn't. BUT it's a fact of life that in most professions, if you call yourself a professional as teachers do, you spend a lot of time working that is unpaid as do lawyers, accountants, doctors, IT people, etc. When you call yourself a professional, it is up to you to regulate your professional development, keep your accounts (customers), do whatever it takes to ensure your success in the profession. So if you ask me whether or not teachers should be working unpaid, my answer is a resounding "YES". If they don't want that, then they should be paid like common laborers per hour, not salary, and be treated as such. Yet they want to be paid professional development time, want guarantees they will be hired back when they are "fired" in the summer time, etc. They want the best of both professional and labor worlds, it seems.

That they get paid an equivalent of a paltry $15 per hour when they start, that's too bad but once again it is a fact of life. Your wage in any job is dictated by what the market will bear, even if your employer is the government (ie: the taxpayer). No one is forced to become a teacher, so they go into it knowing full well their salary, plus of course the bounty of benefits they collect. The market determines your worth... if you can be easily replaced in your profession because your profession does not demand much skill out of you, then your (monetary) worth is less. That's life.

They don't want to be called "babysitters". Too bad, but when you work with children, essentially you are babysitting them even if you don't want to. This is why I took on a profession that has nothing whatsoever to do with kids. As a teacher, they know full well the job will require babysitting. There is no reason to complain about parents basically utilising them as babysitters.... they just need to accept that it's part of the job, just as lawyers have to babysit criminals and doctors have to deal with diseased people and accountants have to do the books of fraud artists.

The system sucks. But the system has created a bunch of lazy people called teachers. Teachers are therefore lazy.... I don't care how much they work, that they keep complaining about it is evidence of their lack of work ethic and laziness.

There was one point in North America when teachers were looked upon with high respect decades ago. It's the same kind of respect that was once accorded to policemen and doctors. They don't get any respect today because they simply don't deserve it. Parents no longer believe that teachers are educating their children correctly to survive and be successful as adults. Teachers have simply lost virtually all merit as a profession.
 

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LonelyGhost said:
1. teachers get paid 'pro-rated' ... in other words, their 10 month
salary is actually for 12 months so its up to them to save for the
2 months they don't get a cheque.
That's true, but as somebody who used to work in a bank, and who dealt with the accounts of a lot of teachers, I can tell you that the vast majority of them don't save for those 2 months. In fact, of all the segments of society that I used to deal with when I worked at the bank, teachers were by far the worst with their finances. Why? I really don't know...

But I think they'd be far better off if they worked on a 3 semester system, with each semester lasting just under 4 months, with a couple of weeks between each semester. If the curriculum remained mostly the same for a calendar year, then it would mean that they had 50% more time to teach it, which should (theoretically anyway) reduce the amount of after-school time that the teachers have to spend on their work on any given day, and it would also mean that they were getting paid all year...
 

Rod Steel

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souljacker said:
That's true, but as somebody who used to work in a bank, and who dealt with the accounts of a lot of teachers, I can tell you that the vast majority of them don't save for those 2 months. In fact, of all the segments of society that I used to deal with when I worked at the bank, teachers were by far the worst with their finances.

LOL, and these are the folks entrusted with educating our kids?
 

Hoops

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I've got friends who teach and kids in school so we discuss education all the time.
Professional days were ADDED to the school year only when teachers agreed to add them. They were not regular school days that became Prof days. I hate when teachers take heat for Prof days.

What I hate about the system:
- As a parent, I'd love to see summer holiday shortened to one month, but it won't happen. I think kids are refreshed after one month and go back having retained previous learning instead of forgetting after 2 months. Maybe spread the holidays around the rest of the year.
- poor teachers are protected too much. Develop a way for poor teachers to be re-educated to improve or fire them or etc.
- Teachers that do extras like coaching or student council, etc should be paid for it. They do this in the USA.
 

Hoops

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wolverine said:
Why have they been doing "back to school" ads since the end of July? Summer's not even over yet! I sure as hell don't want any reminders that the end of summer is coming until at least the end of August, and I'm sure those poor kids don't want that either. :mad:
Actually, as a parent I take a little sigh of relief when I see these ads.
 
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