Ever ask her why she couldn't figure out how to use a rubber or the pill or some other method of contraception?chilli said:
Abortion - Is it Right?
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nformally i agree with the proposition that it is the right of the person to do what they please with their body however in the case of abortion the man is brought into the process, sometimes kicking and screaming. in the u.s if a lady decides to have the baby she can as most do take him to court for child support. it seems to me if sued for child support he should be in the decision making process. to be able to say i want the baby, you carry it to term and i will caare for it or i dont want the thing ill pay for the abortion but if you carry it to term i dont have to pay child. as a truly progressive society that would be the ideal situation.
I was born in a community in the interior of BC.csr said:
In that community, birth control pills are not available, condoms are not available. Children are taught that their role is to give pleasure when it is wanted. Every girl finds out how to make herself sick with what can be found naturally so that she doesn't become Mommy before she becomes another "wife" of one of the elders.
There are a great many reasons why some women don't use contraception methods. It can be economic, it can be a boyfriend who won't wear it, it can be incest, it can be rape or it can be simpily that the woman has such a low IQ and level of self esteem that she doesn't know how to insist on protecting herself.
I would much rather that a woman use a facility with trained people than poisoning herself with herbs, sticking objects in there or just poping out a child every year.
I support a woman's right to choice, but this is based on the fact that she is a sovereign person and nobody, not even the government, has the right to tell her what she does with her body. This includes terminating a pregnancy, or for that matter, terminating herself (suicide).
Nevertheless, terminating a pregnancy is terminating a human life, regardless of how we define a human being. Some say it has to have a heartbeat, some say it has to have a brain, some say it is a human being at conception. I say it doesn't matter how you define a human being, the definition is an abstract notion anyway. The definition only exists in the intellect. In reality, whether it is a human being or not, it is a human life.
To get down to the crux of the matter, terminating a pregnancy at any time is terminating a human life. That means it is killing a human. In other words, it is a form of murder. I support killing human beings under sanction by society. There are times when it is deemed necessary, such as capital punishment, suicide, or to exercise one's will over another life (the attached fetus) through the sovereignty of one's body.
Many women who have had abortions and miscarriages report emotional trauma from the ending of the fetus' life. I believe they subconciously realise that they were part of the death of another human being. I've known women who have had ongoing trauma at the death of very young fetuses, either through abortion or miscarriage. I take this as evidence that the death of the fetus is the death of a human life.
I say allow abortions to be the choice of a woman, but let's not play P.C. games anymore by calling it "the right to choose", etc., and instead state it plainly for what it is. A woman has the right to eliminate a human being that is 100% biologically dependent upon her, and that the state sanctions this and other killings of human beings under strict and well defined conditions.
Nevertheless, terminating a pregnancy is terminating a human life, regardless of how we define a human being. Some say it has to have a heartbeat, some say it has to have a brain, some say it is a human being at conception. I say it doesn't matter how you define a human being, the definition is an abstract notion anyway. The definition only exists in the intellect. In reality, whether it is a human being or not, it is a human life.
To get down to the crux of the matter, terminating a pregnancy at any time is terminating a human life. That means it is killing a human. In other words, it is a form of murder. I support killing human beings under sanction by society. There are times when it is deemed necessary, such as capital punishment, suicide, or to exercise one's will over another life (the attached fetus) through the sovereignty of one's body.
Many women who have had abortions and miscarriages report emotional trauma from the ending of the fetus' life. I believe they subconciously realise that they were part of the death of another human being. I've known women who have had ongoing trauma at the death of very young fetuses, either through abortion or miscarriage. I take this as evidence that the death of the fetus is the death of a human life.
I say allow abortions to be the choice of a woman, but let's not play P.C. games anymore by calling it "the right to choose", etc., and instead state it plainly for what it is. A woman has the right to eliminate a human being that is 100% biologically dependent upon her, and that the state sanctions this and other killings of human beings under strict and well defined conditions.
So far not one person in this thread has mentioned a personal involvement in an abortion, as either prospective parent. You know why?
I agree with a lot of what of you said. I've yet to hear this point addressed in any abortion debates, unfortunately. However, I think that it would still need to be debated on what takes priority: a woman's right to end a life while it is still a part of her body, or the state's obligation to protect the rights of said life. To me, it's a dicey issue and one that I don't view as being clear cut.georgebushmoron said:
No, why?ms.belair said:
Pro-education and then Pro Choice all the way.
Every situation is different and has unique circumstances behind it. I don't judge.
Every situation is different and has unique circumstances behind it. I don't judge.
I suspect what you're looking for is that people are pontificating over an issue for which they have no personal experience. Unfortunately, I was very much involved in an abortion and also a miscarriage. I fully supported the abortion she chose to have of her own free will, and was there to support her when she cried and cried for days on afterward. When another woman had a miscarriage, I was there to support her by letting her know that though this little human life that was not born had died, that indeed it was a baby, our baby, and her sorrows and grief were real.ms.belair said:
As for the answer to your original question, I believe most people are not volunteering personal involvement because this is too personal and they have anxiety about possible repercussions from other posters, whatever they may be.
Something to think about. It's all in how you look at things 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrXvDXVhqfU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrXvDXVhqfUAbortion should be legal but rare. Give women the right to choose but the woman has to make responsible decisions so that it is a last resort.
My position politically is that it is a purely medical procedure and as such is a personal matter between a woman and her doctor. I don't think that anyone else's moral or political view has any business being between a woman's legs or coming between her and her doctor.
That being said, I think...
Education should be compulsory, that parents should not be allowed to have their children excused from it on moral or religious grounds. Time and time again, stats show that rates of unwanted pregnancy are higher in religious regions where education is denied, and parents simply should not have the right to deny their children important health information.
Birth control should be tax free, should be covered under all medical plans and free to those who cannot afford it.
Regarding those who use it as birth control. Consider what those who are that irresponsible do to themselves (smoking, drinking, drugs, unprotected sex leading to diseases) and what damage they do to their unborn child and what awful things fetal alcohol syndrome, drug addiction in babies, brain damage or blindness because of disease, would be and how difficult it would be to live an entire life carrying the burden of the irresponsible choices your mother made. My view is if someone is bent on destruction, not only of themselves, but of their children.... let them abort and in some cases encourage them to do so. I also think parenting classes should be compulsory and those who habitually abuse themselves with no regard for their offspring should be legally forced to submit to depo shots so that they do not "breed" while they are not in control of themselves.
The great hypocrisy of the "morality" police is that they profess to care so deeply about unborn babies and yet deny access to information and education that would lead to more healthy pregnancies and healthier children.
That being said, I think...
Education should be compulsory, that parents should not be allowed to have their children excused from it on moral or religious grounds. Time and time again, stats show that rates of unwanted pregnancy are higher in religious regions where education is denied, and parents simply should not have the right to deny their children important health information.
Birth control should be tax free, should be covered under all medical plans and free to those who cannot afford it.
Regarding those who use it as birth control. Consider what those who are that irresponsible do to themselves (smoking, drinking, drugs, unprotected sex leading to diseases) and what damage they do to their unborn child and what awful things fetal alcohol syndrome, drug addiction in babies, brain damage or blindness because of disease, would be and how difficult it would be to live an entire life carrying the burden of the irresponsible choices your mother made. My view is if someone is bent on destruction, not only of themselves, but of their children.... let them abort and in some cases encourage them to do so. I also think parenting classes should be compulsory and those who habitually abuse themselves with no regard for their offspring should be legally forced to submit to depo shots so that they do not "breed" while they are not in control of themselves.
The great hypocrisy of the "morality" police is that they profess to care so deeply about unborn babies and yet deny access to information and education that would lead to more healthy pregnancies and healthier children.
Pro choice... but at some point, that child evolves beyond it's simple beginnings and becomes a living entity... and at that point abortion should not be a choice.
Before, then, anything goes... but I also agree that it shouldn't be treated as a simple birth control method. There are preventative products to take care of that... before a life really begins to develope.
Before, then, anything goes... but I also agree that it shouldn't be treated as a simple birth control method. There are preventative products to take care of that... before a life really begins to develope.
