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A week with an ATF on a tropical island

Dionysus

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Just returned from a week in the Caribbean with an escort I've known for two years. Have seen her every second month for most of that time, would have been more but she lives in another city. In all, we've met about 20 times, all multi hour, one overnight, 4 different Canadian cities. So, we knew each other, the chemistry was amazing, and I was really looking forward to our trip.

It was one of the most disappointing experiences I've ever had, as she was nothing like the person I had such great times with before. To be fair, I was clearly not what she had expected either. No blame here - it just didn't work - and it wasn't long before discord trumped all. The experience may have ruined what was a great escort/client relationship. 24/7 for 7 days is just too much for most, and it was for us. So, think and plan carefully, and talk about expectations in detail. I thought I had, but hadn't done it well enough. As the song goes, "brother, don't do what I have done".
 

kgirllover

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Just returned from a week in the Caribbean with an escort I've known for two years. Have seen her every second month for most of that time, would have been more but she lives in another city. In all, we've met about 20 times, all multi hour, one overnight, 4 different Canadian cities. So, we knew each other, the chemistry was amazing, and I was really looking forward to our trip.

It was one of the most disappointing experiences I've ever had, as she was nothing like the person I had such great times with before. To be fair, I was clearly not what she had expected either. No blame here - it just didn't work - and it wasn't long before discord trumped all. The experience may have ruined what was a great escort/client relationship. 24/7 for 7 days is just too much for most, and it was for us. So, think and plan carefully, and talk about expectations in detail. I thought I had, but hadn't done it well enough. As the song goes, "brother, don't do what I have done".
Sorry to hear it did not work out for you - I have had trips like this before with working girls - but I have built up to it by having dinners, then short day trips, then a long weekend out of town - just to make sure there is enough to do and talk about when you are not shagging her like a mink ;)

Anyhow - there are no guarantees thats for sure - hope you did not burn too much dough on the trip so that you can take someone who really appreciates you next time
 
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Great travel buddies are hard to find...

Sorry about your lame experience!

I had a few unhappy surprises like that myself. Traveled with people who I thought would be great, but in reality it wasn't. Some of these people are still great friends but we agreed to never travel together again. :)

Hope you find some positives out of the experience.
 

Dionysus

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I did learn

A friend emailed me this, "People may fail but most people assume they're doing "enough". Your enough, my enough, her enough may never match but let yourself be generous. You have more to give. So give it."

Good advice and I will take it.
 

TheSilkenBadger

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I really want to visit New York. :)

When I do, and if I am to take a "companion" with me, it will strictly be as a travel companion, nothing more (i.e. no sex). She will be there to keep me company, nothing else. No sex. We will be like friends, not friends with benefits. In New York, I think we will both be having too much fun just sight-seeing and taking in EVERYTHING and so, as a result, "discord", as you call it, won't even have a chance to settle in and "trump all".

Or maybe I'm too idealistic/naive/stupid . . . ?

Thoughts . . . ?

(*I'm at home today recovering from a seasonal chill.*)

Not again for you!! didn't you do the exact same thing last year and that blew up too...
 

Ghostwalker

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a similar experience

Just returned from a week in the Caribbean with an escort I've known for two years. Have seen her every second month for most of that time, would have been more but she lives in another city. In all, we've met about 20 times, all multi hour, one overnight, 4 different Canadian cities. So, we knew each other, the chemistry was amazing, and I was really looking forward to our trip.

It was one of the most disappointing experiences I've ever had, as she was nothing like the person I had such great times with before. To be fair, I was clearly not what she had expected either. No blame here - it just didn't work - and it wasn't long before discord trumped all. The experience may have ruined what was a great escort/client relationship. 24/7 for 7 days is just too much for most, and it was for us. So, think and plan carefully, and talk about expectations in detail. I thought I had, but hadn't done it well enough. As the song goes, "brother, don't do what I have done".
I had a similar experience........ though different in flavour so-to-speak.

A while ago, I took one of the more well-reviewed [non f/s] sps, away for a few days not to any place all that exotic [Victoria] as I was on work-related travel and I was staying at the Fairmount Empress, in which I thought she would enjoying spending some time.

The deal, proposed by me, was that I would pay all associated travel and meals [I was on a decent travel-allowance anyway] and as well any service she provided I would pay her at her standard rate.

We ended up having a great [almost magically romantic] couple of days resulting in only one session for which she very reluctantly and after considerable protest took her fee.

That was the upside.

The downside was that our professional relationship will never be the same again; that as a result of this trip and other non-professional time spend together prior to the trip, I have have seen many other [non-bodily] delightful sides to her.

Hence...... I don't feel comfortable seeing her as an sp.... and that is unfortunate as always provided great service at a great price...

Ironically our evolving friendship really destroyed or at least compromised our professional relationship.

Given the disparity of age between us, our personal relationship will remain somewhat limited so at the end of the day I may have messed up something that was really good for little in return.....

I think that what I learned from this experience, and maybe what the reader can take away, is that when you engage in this kind of arrangement the prospect of changing your current professional relationship is both compelling and unpredictable and you should proceed with great caution.
 

island-guy

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I can understand how she could have been different from what you expected.

During a session, even if it's an overnight, an SP is often an actress playing a part. Playing a part 24 hours a day, for 7 days in a row would be a bit tough to pull off, so in the end, you would get more of her actual personality and less of the character she portrays during sessions.

But, how could you be not what she expected? What different expectations could she have had?

I've taken a few trips with SPs, sugar-babes, girlfriends I didn't live with and friends with benefits. So far no major disasters and probably about the same number of minor disasters as would happen on a trip with a wife. Maybe even less! (An SP doesn't get mad at you if you are checking out the hottie in the bikini who just walked by)
 

Safari

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Sorry to hear about your not so good time Dionysus. I took an SP to Hong Kong with me last year and we had a great time. Hear is my review from another Board.....

Back in Sept '08 I decided I wanted to go back to Hong Kong to explore it again since I didn't have enough time last time I was there in '01. The difference this time was that I wanted someone to come with me. I decided to take Sophia and I really couldn't have made a better choice. I'm a few years older( okay, a lot of years older) than her and it kinda worried me that she would be a little too energetic for me because of my COPD and leg problems. She assured me right off I had nothing to worry about. Good.

I booked us a suite at the Ramada HK for a killer price(750 CDN) for the 8 nights we were going to be there. Well, every trip has to have a little drama, right? Four hours before I was going to pick her up I got a call from my travel agent. He told me there had been a screw up on the booking agents part and that we had no hotel reservation. He gave me a choice of 2 places and I looked them both up on the net and picked the Jen Hotel. Not a suite but it seemed like a nice place.

After getting to YVR we hung out and waited for the flight. Got onto our plane and we both settled in for a 13 hour flight. Her longest ever. Thank god it was Cathay Pacific again. One of the best airlines in the world as far as I'm concerned. Good food, TV screen right in front of you, no upcharges for anything.

Landed in HK that morning and got to the hotel. we were directed to the 28th floor to book in(?). Thought that was kinda strange. Checked in and went to our room. Very,very nice room. Big comfy bed,WI-FI, 40" LCD TV and 10 minutes after we got in the Manager came up with a fruit basket for us to enjoy.

Okay, enough details about the trip. Suffice it to say that we went to Disneyland,Stanley Market( took a bus out to it),Victoria Peak, Macau( one hour to China by Jet boat), the world's largest floating restaurant,Ocean Park and a lot of just plain wandering around. Thank god she has a great sense of direction cuz I had no idea where we were for the most part.

Now back to Sophia. To show you what type of girl this is I offered to pay for the whole thing. Flight,Hotel,meals,expenses,etc. She would have nothing to do with it. She said she was going to bring her own spending money. We compromised. She brought $500 for her own expenses i.e. shopping. I would pay for the other stuff like food,taxis,admissions, etc. I also paid for her time but it was less than what you would pay an agency to spend 2 days with a lady.

When we were walking around or going around an attraction and I was kinda lagging behind, she would make sure to look around for me to make sure I was okay. She would even stop and wait for me and take my hand in case I was breathing too hard or if my legs were bothering me too much. Now that's a GFE.

Not once did she ask me to buy her anything. Not once did she hint that I could buy her anything. I think I bought her 2 things that she really liked that she was having trouble affording cuz it was towards the end of our trip.So if you do see her and she's wearing a silver chain with a Garnet, compliment her on how nice it looks on her.

All in all I don't think I could have asked for a better travel partner. She was even better than Michelle when I took her to Vegas. So if you're planning a trip and want a companion, keep Sophia in mind. I'm sure you won't be disappointed. But be warned. If she takes a short nap, she can be a little on the grumpy side when she wakes up. She warned me about this so I was prepared for it.......

Unfortunately Sophia Leigh has since retired from the biz but we still stay in touch and go out for lunch sometimes to catch up on my pooning and what she is doing with herself these days.

How much did the SP charge you for the week? If you don't want to say over the open board you can PM me.
 

island-guy

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I think that for travelling with an SP there are a few important rules (I'm sure there are more):

1) Make sure that the girl and place are a good match. It has to be somewhere that she is excited to go. Somewhere that she would love to go, even if she wasn't being paid to go (although maybe not with you, of course). One good indicator of that is if the rate she offers is a really great deal. If she wants to charge you $2000/24 hours or something, she's not all that interested in the trip!! (Assuming her hourly rate is in the $200-250 range)

2) Don't always be in her face. Make sure the schedule has some 'down time' where she can go out and do stuff on her own. If she chooses to just hang out with you during that time, that's ok, but she has the option of taking a break. Some downtime each day and at least one down day per week is a good idea.

Otherwise, if you want GFE, make sure that it is also BFE for her. Let her participate in the decision making about what the two of you are going to do on a given day. Ask her before you go if there are any specific places or things that she wants to see or do and make sure you include them. DO NOT treat her like an employee/servant and then expect GFE for a whole week or whatever.

As far as expenses etc goes, every deal is likely to be slightly different, but I think that it is important that all actual costs of the trip are covered by the client. Money for shopping should be figured into her overall compensation for going. That leaves her free to spend what she wants on what she wants to get without feeling guilty and without the guy feeling taken advantage of when she really wants those $1200 shoes.
 

GimmeT&A

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Sorry for the member whom had the bad experience. that sucks
however, So for the guys who have never travelled with a Sp and are considering do it in the future, How do you determine if the sp is right for you to travel with? Please give suggestions
 

threepeat

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Sorry for the member whom had the bad experience. that sucks
however, So for the guys who have never travelled with a Sp and are considering do it in the future, How do you determine if the sp is right for you to travel with? Please give suggestions
I would say that if she is travelling with you more as a friend than as an SP (ie., you are not paying her social rate to be with you), the two of you should really have hung out before just as friends. Treat her like you would treat your friend, which hopefully means giving her some space and allowing her to make some of the decisions on some of the activities.

If you are paying for all her time, I really can't advise you there, except that IMHO I don't think it's something I would do, for several reasons.
 

island-guy

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Disagree. You could love the place with all your heart, but in the end there are still bills back home to be paid and appointments being turned down (possible loss of regulars and revenue) to take the trip.
I think you need to take another look at the numbers I gave as an example.

Or are you in the habit of working 10+ hours per day, 7 days a week and would need that much to cover your bills and make up for the appointments you'd have to turn down?

If a girl is willing to go if you make up the $ she would typically make in that same time period, that is often a pretty good deal unless she is seeing more than just a few clients a day.

On the other hand, if the girl is wanting to charge you as much as she in theory could possibly make if she saw a 8-10 clients a day, 7 days a week, when she advertises that she only sees one or two clients a day, three or four days a week.. well...

I once asked an SP about going on a trip for a week. She multiplied her hourly rate by 24, then multiplied that by 7 and quoted the result. Something told me that she wasn't particularly interested in going so I passed on that one.

I agree with your small stipend plus pay for sessions idea, but we might disagree on what a small stipend is.

ps: All of this is assuming that the client pays for all travel expenses, lodging, food, etc.. just not shopping.
 
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kalel

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i suppose one charges what one thinks she/he can get. IMO tho', sp's are a spoiled bunch. the whole bills to pay thing - your normal hourly rate is upto 25 times what other people make so if you've been sp'ing for any length of time you should have banked up some decent money. i know of former sp (not a well known one but a simple one) that could spend 50 bucks on dinner every day and still banked 10k in 3 months, on top of paying her bills.

personally i say use the services of sp's as needed to cover gaps in your life, and then take somebody who's gonna be alot more thankful on that trip or cruise. if an sp has travelled alot her wow factor on your trip isn't gonna be as high as say normal girl who works and has bills to pay and doesn't factor in the opportunity cost of loss revenue in taking that trip. not to negate the services of sp's, but personally i'd much rather take somebody younger, who i can lead and will experience something new, instead of somebody who's getting paid to talk to me.
 

Safari

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When Sophia Leigh and I went on our little trip it was her first time out of B.C., her first long plane flight, her first time in a foreign country, her first week long trip with a client and her first time in a first class hotel. She really appreciated what I showed her and the fact that I would even think about taking her to some place as exotic as Hong Kong.

I actually gave her a choice of places to go, Vietnam, Australia, Thailand or Hong Kong. She picked the place so I know she wanted to go there. She got her passport and I looked after the bookings and everything we would do down there with her input.

Her personal services were included in the amount we talked about and like I mentioned before she brought her own spending money and I just paid for the food and travel and attractions we visited. Which were pretty cheap by Canadian standards.
 

threepeat

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My take on it is this: if an SP and I know each other well enough and get along well enough that she will travel with me for free, that's my measuring stick for compatibility. That tells me she actually wants to be there and for us to spend time together. That might sound cheap to some, but I'd argue that getting a free vacation to an exotic location, getting wined and dined, and all expenses paid for would be a pretty good deal for most civilian girls. And SPs ARE regular girls, to people they like.

If it's all business, then I doubt the SP can keep her act 24/7 for a week+ anyway, in which case it's a bad investment. And if she can keep up the act, then I'd probably fall in love with her and that would cause it's own set of problems :eek:

I'll pay for sex (obviously), but I draw the line at paying for social time. To me, no one's conversational skills are worth $100+ an hour or whatever some girls charge, unless they are giving professional advice from an expert (eg. a lawyer), or someone who has accomplished great things (eg. Warren Buffett, Muhammad Ali, Bill Clinton).
 

GimmeT&A

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Wow, some great point of views there. So it may be harder then it seem to find a compatible Sp to travell with. It seem to be a real hit or miss. As girl can be great for a few hours and possible not for a longer time.
1st step from what everyone has writen find your regular girl and see how you get along, slowly increase time together before you go away for a longer period of time.
For me personally, I think i would just like to find that regular girl at the moment. thanx for the info everyone
 

vidwindow

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I honestly don't see the point of paying someone to come with you on a trip. It's kinda like that little kid at school that buys candy and hands it out to all the other kids so they will be his "friend".
Save play time for home and go out and enjoy the local culture wherever you are. I can't imagine that the same adult entertainment wouldn't be enjoyed for a fraction of the cost of a paid travel companion.
No insult intended to those that enjoy these arrangements, but gee, it seems awfully risky.
I'd rather go by myself and come back with some interesting stories to tell to the next SP I see. Then again, it seems there's a lot of things I've had to enjoy by myself lately........:mad:

lol!

Vid
 

island-guy

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You're forgetting that it's a pretty limited time career. It's also not like they're making $250/hr 40 hours a week every week until retirement age. I think a lot of the guys here overestimate how much girls REALLY work. The average escort is NOT pulling 10k+ a month, even before taxes/expenses.

That being said, you are right - the money can be great even after taxes/expenses in the right city, right environment, and right marketing. But it takes a lot of know how and a big investment of time to pull the kind of money you're thinking about.
So if they aren't making that much money ($10k/month = 2500/week) then there wouldn't be that much lost income to replace if they went on a trip with a client.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think it should cost the girl to go on the trip. If she typically makes $2000 / week, then there should be some guarantee that she'll make that much on the trip at least.

But, the girl making $2000/week doesn't have to make $4000/week on a trip to make up for the lost income and pay her bills...

Which was my original point.
 

island-guy

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You seem to forget that going on the trip is 24 hours a day of work. It is not easy to be around a person day and night for a week. If she charges 2k/week to be with you 24/7 or she makes 2k in 5 clients...honestly I'd choose 5 clients and having tons of time to myself at home to a trip. Makes no sense to me to even go on a trip to take home the same amount of money I can in 1/4 the time.

What you're paying is not only for the fact she's around you that much, but a convinience fee. You're taking her away from her home and normal life. Whether she wants to go on a trip or not is irrelevant - if she was looking for a vacation, she'd book her own. This is a business trip, and usually a bit of an inconvinience (especially if she has kids or pets). If you want to take her, then you either pay what she feels her time is worth or you don't take her. It's not really worth complaining about fairness, there are tons of ladies :p
Ahh but you aren't getting my original point at all. I wasn't talking about what it was fair or not fair for a girl to charge.

If she wants to charge a million bucks a day, that's fair, it's what she wants. BUT

My advice had to do with how to select the best girl to bring along on the trip, and I was using the fee that she asks for as compared with what she typically charges/makes as an indication of how much she wants to go.

From your responses, it is pretty clear that you aren't all that interested in going on trips and you'd rather just stay home and work. hey, more power to you, you go girl!

But, if a guy is looking for an SP to take on a trip and wants things to go well, taking along a girl who sees the whole thing as an inconvenience and a PITA for her is NOT the best way to go, IMHO.

So I guess in a roundabout way, you've proved my original point.
 
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My thoughts.

While I don't travel often with clients, I have enough experience that I think I have a good grasp of the situation. Anyone who's dealt with me knows I have a really strong sense of fair-play and ethics and that I don't gouge my clients.

I've done the "weekend-away-24/7-GFE-share-a-bed-&-bath" and there is no way I would ever do that again for less than $2500 per 24/d. And that is only with someone whose company I already enjoyed. While I love people, I'm by nature very introverted and need a LOT of time to recharge my batteries, even when I'm with friends or SOs. I like my own bed, being with my dog, having lots of quiet time. I can easily pull off the devoted GFE and make it a romantic and memorable trip, and those who have experienced it still write me sweet little notes reminiscing, even if I haven't seen them as clients in over a year.

But make no mistake, it is 24 hours of work. I can't speak for others but I don't sleep well in a strange bed, with a non-SO, so then I'm functioning for the next day on minimal sleep... try being a stellar companion when you are bone tired. THAT is why we charge what we charge. Oh, and when I do this type of travelling, I always pay for my own hotel room, out of my fee, so I have my own bathroom, safe, place to store my stuff and bed to sneak off to if someone proves to be a terrible snorer or bed hog.

I rarely offer that service generally anymore as I prefer a different style. With my regulars that I enjoy, I prefer to structure it this way: They pay my flight, my room, my meals and the minimal amount I would make in the time I am away with them. We travel as "friends" not GFESP-client (sorry gents, canoodling in public with someone 20+ years older than me labels me either a pro or a gold-digger, and the latter is the same in my books) and it's expected that I sleep in my own room at night and have ample time to myself including the occasional day off if it's an extended trip. I don't expect first class accommodations, flights, pampering, presents or doting. So far this has worked incredibly well. It keeps their costs relatively low and I'm super comfortable which makes for easy travelling.

Also, it's always key to travel with people who have a similar travel style and interests. If someone wants to sit beside the pool all day and drink, or party all the time, or do a frenetically paced see-everything-there-is-to-see sight seeing trip, we won't get along. If they want to have a list of things to do and see that sync with mine but have a low key, "let's take it as it comes" (weather, mood and wellness dictating) groove, we will have an awesome time! One of my favourite things is exploring local cuisine and instead of eating at swank places, I'd rather eat where the locals eat. Some of the best meals I've ever had were in little places that I never would have found had we not asked a doorman or taxi driver, and one of the most fun things I've ever done was a cooking class where we got to learn to make some killer dishes after touring local markets and learning to haggle. :p

**As MM and other's have said, if we want to go somewhere on a holiday, we'll go. If someone is in this business and can't afford to take themselves on an occasional holiday they aren't planning well or managing their finances. If we want to go, we'll just go. I don't think any of us would rather go with a client than a friend or SO, as much as we may genuinely like our clients. That makes it work and not a holiday. Besides, you can't really enjoy one key part of the holiday afterward.... talking about it! How do you say to Mom & Dad or your friends who don't know what you do, that you went to HK and stayed in a 5 star resort when they know you're college student/CSR/very small business owner and know your SO and know he's not in a position to take you?

And again, sorry boys but you really have to understand that as much as we may enjoy your company as clients, and often we d really do, unless we are calling you to hang out/go out/shag/spend the night off the clock....you are clients. If we want to get personal.... we'll let you know in no uncertain terms. ;) My mechanic always flirts with me, does nice little extras for me (treats bought just for my dog) and even says he gives me a deal... and I still get a bill that I've been told is the going rate.

On the subject of bed hogs I have a tale to recount. I once spent the night with one of my all time favourite clients, who I continue to see to this day. Big mistake, totally incompatible sleeping partners. Huge king size bed. 4 star accommodations at my favourite hotel. It takes me quite some time to fall asleep but after some some post-coital cuddling he was out like a light and promptly started snoring, his temperature went up by about 5 degrees AND he wrapped himself around me like a monkey climbing a tree. I gently detangled myself, moved away and got comfortable. Around 15 minutes later, just when I was starting to drift off, he rolled over and his arm landed across me, he then shuffled over and wrapped himself around me again. I detangled, moved, got comfy, and he did it AGAIN. I was now on the very edge of a giant king sized bed. I detangled and moved to the other side of the bed, expecting that he'd never make it across the entire bed, and I'd get a good night's sleep. I fell asleep quite comfortably. But my plan was foiled! I woke up about 1.5 hours later thinking I was in bed with an anaconda! He'd made it across the entire bed and was still snoring light a freight train. I ended up sleeping on a tiny little love seat in the livingroom area for the rest of the night and was a less than happy camper in the morning.

He swore up and down that he'd been sound asleep and that I should have woken him up and made him sleep on the couch, or tired him to the bed. His explanation was that it had been years since he'd had a warm body in his bed (SO slept in a different room) and he must have have been seeking my body heat in his sleep. He's a sweetie so I bought it and we laughed it off. But never again will I not make sure I have a bed to retire to if that is the case, but I consider that to be one of the costs of business if I'm going to charge $2500+ for 24 hours or some other comparable fee for a different period of time.
 
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