A week to go

[dirtydan]

Ladies and germs, there is a week left in the federal election. Surely most of you have made up your minds as to which party or which candidate you are going to vote for. Or at least you have narrowed your choices to a couple of parties or candidates.

Which party are going to vote for?

And with 308 seats what do you think the outcome will be? To help you here are the number of seats for each province and territory with the results from the 04 election

N&L: 7 (Lib 5, Con 2)
NS: 11 (Lib 6, Con 3, NDP 2)
NB: 10 (Lib 7, Con 2, NDP 1)
PEI: 4 (Lib 4)
QC: 75 (BQ 53, Lib 21)
ON 106 (Lib 76, Con 23, NDP 7)
MB: 14 (Con 7, NDP 4, Lib 3)
SK: 14 (Con 13, Lib 1)
AB: 28 (Con 26, Lib 2)
BC: 36 (Con 22, Lib 8, NDP 5, Ind 1)
YK: 1 (Lib 1)
NWT: 1 (Lib 1)
NUN: 1 (Lib 1)

As for me I'm leaning towards the NDP but also tempted to write in the name of a foreign leader, perhaps Hugo Chavez, although it means spoiling my ballot. My prediction for Jan 23 is a Conservative minority with: Con 144, Lib 69, BQ 65, NDP 30.

 

[wraith]

AB: 28 (Con 26, Lib 2)

You are smoking very bad drug to think the Liberals will gain a seat in Alberta. They'll be lucky to retain Landslide Annie's seat.

 

[Smother]

He's already stated that he would increase our military forces!!!
As for me....I have no idea who to vote for!! Honest!!
Something about Harper I don't like....let's not forget that he doesn't support the Kyoto deal....instead of that.he thinks.....let's let the enviroment and pollution and all get out of control...Like our weather pattern isn't screwed up already!!

 

[Quarter Mile'r]

Not to mention more of our resource based companies being sold to the U.S.
by the cons if they get in. Like Terasen being owned by a Texas company.

Now who do you suppsose comes from Texas?!

I love that short term "cons". If they get in I wonder how many people
are gonna be conned by having voted for them?

Won't be me... I vote NDP always!


..........QM'r

 

[smackyo]

i actually support increasing out military force or at least bringing up to speed and properly outfitting what we have now. but i just can't fathom the idea of a social conservitive like harper getting in. i'm hoping if he does win that it is a minority government and we will have a like a "joe clark" thing happen where there is a confidence vote in the first two months.

thing is that if they do win a minority and lets prey to god thats what it is if he does win. he's got to appease three socialist type parties. there is no other party in parliment that will support him on socially conservitive ideals.

if he does get in though i would like to see him scrap the gun registry, if he can. i'm a liberal but i'd also like to think i have a bit of brain to see when something was a mistake.

scrap the gun registry and beef up our military, leave everything else the fuck alone.

its always funny to me that a new government can't admit the fact that the previous one did something right. nope, its all ego. brush everything aside, the good the bad and the ugly and go with our plans 100% cause the last government did everything wrong.

didn't sun tzu say "in battle its wise to learn, especially from your enemies." don't know if it was sun tzu or not but there is a lot of wisdom in that sentence. how do you think the romans became so powerful. take everyone elses ideas, incorporate it and then improve it.

 

[LonelyGhost]

is it actually worth voting?

the Liberals are corrupt and incompetent ... no vote.

the Conservatives are corrupt and incompetent ... no vote.

the NDP are silly and incompetent ... no vote.

what's left? for the prov election i hooked up with eden and had a filibuster of a time! may have to do something similar for the federal election.

maybe if all Canadians just went out and had sex on election day the country would be a better place!

couldn't be any worse!

 

[Marvin]

Fucking Bloc!

What annoys me to no end is the presence of the Bloc ... a so called national party that runs its fucking candidates in one province. Imagine if these clusterfucks ever got to form the government ... mmmm, life anywhere outside of Quebec would be hell. I wish the Elections Act would be amended to force all federal parties to run candidates in each province.

 

[LonelyGhost]

I wish the Elections Act would be amended to force all federal parties to run candidates in each province.

could you just imagine the nut-jobs that could possibly be elected if that happened?

the worst thing of all is the Liberals EXTREMELY misguided idea of removing the 'notwithstanding' clause from the Charter!!!!!! Right now the Bloc is just another bunch of nutjobs in Ottawa, and if they try something, the Govt of the day can just use the 'notwithstanding' to overturn it ... like they should with all these piss-ass 'convictions' that let off street racers and other murderers.

nope, let the Bloc run but leave the bloody notwithstanding clause ALONE!!!

if there is no other reason to NOT vote Liberal this time, THIS should be the ISSUE!!!!

 

[Ilovethemall]

Agree with ghosts

I have to agree with the ghost on this on. The clause allows for there to be checks and balances in the system....imagine if the courts were ever too far skewed one way or the other.....for sake of argument....the legalize crack...or on the other side ban gay marriage.....we need the clause in order to maintain a moderate viewpoint......plus all the stuff with the bloc is bang on.

 

[Cock Throppled]

Vote early-vote often. I've already done the deed at the advancer. They don't check ID. If you have any old voter card you can keep voting. What a system. I did not vote Liberal.

 

[LonelyGhost]

imagine if the courts were ever too far skewed one way or the other.....

they're not already????

not to go into a tirade here, but there has to be some consequence to actions and the courts have just let off anyone with a sob story with a slap on the wrist!

its one thing to find your ass in jail for the first time and want out again, but when some of these guys have conviction sheets pages long and the judge is just letting the guy go home, I REALLY believe it is time for the Govt to step up and do something ... anything!

It doesn't require using the 'nws' clause, but its good to have it there if we need it ... the courts could decide that the govt has no jurisdiction to pass any law that infringes on Charter rights and the govt could end up with no right to do anything!

At least with the 'nws' clause the govt can simply overturn it and keep going.

But this 'idea' of removing the clause is probably the most simple-minded and dangerous thing the Liberals could ever do to this country!

I doubt the Cons are stupid enough to use it to overturn abortion or gay marriage, because it would just be the end of their party in minutes! But we do need a Govt that will bring in some laws to balance the crap the Courts are doing ... and if it takes the 'nws' clause to do it, then just do it!

 

[Ilovethemall]

my bad

You're right ghost, the courts are already fucked up as far as sentencing goes.....the whole idea of finding alternative ways to punish people is a load of crap. I had several emails with the chief judge of BC on this subject....I can actually be quite literate and reasoned in the real world (unlike here).

The crux of her rationale boiled down to the fact that the judges are basically given the mandate from Ottawa that jail is the method of last resort. As such the courts try and find alternate methods.

Seems like a load of crap to me.

Question for you....if a court actually hands down a stiff sentence and it gets appealed and reduced, can the NWC be used to toss that out and reimpose the original sentence - or is it only available for "big picture" subjects?

As far as gay rights etc. The Cons would never use it for that - the party would be gone in a day if they did.

 

[LonelyGhost]

Question for you....if a court actually hands down a stiff sentence and it gets appealed and reduced, can the NWC be used to toss that out and reimpose the original sentence - or is it only available for "big picture" subjects?

i believe that the law cannot be made retroactive ... all that can happen is that the crown could appeal the reduced sentence.

however, if the govt imposed 'minimum sentences' and the courts said it went against the Charter, then the govt could use the NWS clause to reimpose it and the courts would have to then follow the guidelines.

right now our little town is trying to impose a curfew for a specific public area ... lawyers say it is against the Charter ... good case for the NWS clause because Feds could say: "in some cases, govt has the right to impose reasonable rules on everyone, not just someone, so its good under the charter"


and btw; not tirading at you, just the topic ... should have put that in my first response to you!

 

[Ilovethemall]

no offense taken

Not to worry, I didn't take it as a tirade....I find the whole thing completely frustrating, the justice system, the penalties handed out, the special circumstances that are allowed for if the crook had a bad upbringing.....it all drives me nuts.

I like your example - I wonder if any politician would have the guts to actually use it?

 

[LonelyGhost]

Not to worry, I didn't take it as a tirade....I find the whole thing completely frustrating, the justice system, the penalties handed out, the special circumstances that are allowed for if the crook had a bad upbringing.....it all drives me nuts.

I like your example - I wonder if any politician would have the guts to actually use it?

I think the politicos are very reluctant to use the NWS clause unless something really catastrophic happened ... something like a unilateral declaration of independence by Quebec, or some revolution and the need for martial law etc.

While I am no lover of the courts, I think there is some pressure from them toward Ottawa to change the laws so that the Judges can impose better sentences ... but the Liberals have been so used to 'do nothing' for over a decade that they are now afraid to act at all.

I don't like the Cons at all, but I want to see laws that make some kind of difference, particularly for repeat offenders.

I wish they would get off Gay marriage and daycare issues and roll back taxes, index them, then start enforcing the laws that matter.

 

[Ilovethemall]

a change of issue would be nice

I agree with the gay marriage bit....enough already... do I like the whole thing, not really, it isn't my cup of tea....but having said that, live and let live.

They need to get off that horse and yes, get in, make the changes that need to be made and then move forward on a host of issues that need addressing....the justice system, the gun registry, the military and a whole long list.....the sad part is, the country is in pretty good shape....yet we have this visionless twat as a leader.

 

[LonelyGhost]

I agree with the gay marriage bit....enough already... do I like the whole thing, not really, it isn't my cup of tea....but having said that, live and let live.

They need to get off that horse and yes, get in, make the changes that need to be made and then move forward on a host of issues that need addressing....the justice system, the gun registry, the military and a whole long list.....the sad part is, the country is in pretty good shape....yet we have this visionless twat as a leader.

amen to that!

the better solution would have been to say that the govt has no business to be defining 'marriage' and simply allow individuals who want certain rights and privileges for their 'spouse' to go to a lawyer and make a contract and get rid off all tax benefits etc defined by 'marriage'.

the govt should, however, support children in any manner necessary, including a 'support payment' for women and men to stay home and raise children.

as for laws; real simple with guns: got one and commit a crime? go to jail. min 5 years. not yet Canadian? go home -- for good. no appeal. bye-bye. brought the family? if they turn you in, they can stay: if not, take them with you.

sounds harsh? tough shit. living here is a privilege and not a right ... if you are born here, learn the rules or go to jail. move here ... learn the rules or go home.

as for the rest ... enjoy life ...

 

[Ilovethemall]

couldn't agree more

Exactly on the gun law issue....I don't think any of what you have suggested is harsh....if you don't like it, don't commit a crime and use a gun - period.

It sickens me that any child in Canada ever goes to bed hungry. Look at the money that is wasted....if the $2 billion gun registry and the millions for sponsorship (and whatever else we don't know about) went to keeping kids fed....wouldn't we all feel one hell of a lot better? Even if the system was abused by some scammers (which it would be) - isn't that still a better use of the money?

I am far from a socialist but goddammit, in a country as affluent as ours, no child should ever be hungry....and if the feds told me that my taxes went up for that, then so be it. There are many ways this could be accomplished with little pain to the taxpayer and god help the prick MP's that voted against it.

 

[LonelyGhost]

I am far from a socialist but goddammit, in a country as affluent as ours, no child should ever be hungry....and if the feds told me that my taxes went up for that, then so be it. There are many ways this could be accomplished with little pain to the taxpayer and god help the prick MP's that voted against it.

I am a socialist so you can imagine how bad things are for me to vote Conservative just to make them better!

I'd like to see the govt can 90% of the 'social programs' and just introduce mincome for kids ... end of story. yes there will be waste and abuse, but compared to the lack of progress AND the waste and abuse, it can only be a step in the right direction.

its ironic that so much can be done in the first couple years of a child's life that makes a huge difference for the next 70 years ... but once they reach a certain age, the cost for fixing things skyrockets and the results are minimal.

i don't know why politicos can't see that simple fact.

 

[Ilovethemall]

here's the thing

The sad part is that there is no reason for it. Giving children a healthy start on life has to be the one over riding goal for any gov't or society.

My beef is that my grandfather served in the forces and came home with one less leg, my father served as well and so did I. We did not serve for the sycophants in Ottawa - we served for the people of this country....and believe me, when you have seen kids go to bed hungry and not know when they will get their next meal, it is brutal. The fact that it happens here is revolting - what makes it particularly heinous is that it does not need to happen.

The NDP says they would fix it but would just waste billions paying off the unions. The Cons are not expected to fix it - but for a party that preaches family values - is this not the most basic family value?

The left of center libs - they should be the natural party to do it - yet they are so overwhelmingly concerned with staying in power that they do nothing.

I could rant about this for days - since I am sure many a married politician is on this board - take a moment to read this you dipshits.