A thought about vigilanteism

[nightswhisper]

Imagine reading the news - Someone had a firearm and began shooting indiscriminately at targets in a densely centralized area.

Then, a citizen takes out his privately owned firearm and kills the assailant. For obvious reasons, he will face criminal proceedings. Ultimately, it's up to the law to decide if he were right or wrong.

What's your thought on this? Should he have done it? Should he have left the situation alone?

I was in a situation like this that almost escalated a long time ago. I possess and travel with firearms at all times. Thankfully, nothing violent or confrontational arose - The man was a knife-wielder who wanted suicide by cops.

I wonder what would have happened if he started slashing at those around him.

 

[ddcanz]

Imagine reading the news - Someone had a firearm and began shooting indiscriminately at targets in a densely centralized area.

Then, a citizen takes out his privately owned firearm and kills the assailant. For obvious reasons, he will face criminal proceedings. Ultimately, it's up to the law to decide if he were right or wrong.

What's your thought on this? Should he have done it? Should he have left the situation alone?

I would welcome someone stepping up in a situation as you describe.
Take the perp out before any other innocents are injured/killed.
I'll take my chances that the 'vig' knows what he is doing and doesn't harm anyone else in the process.
But as you say in your example- a clean take out transpires with no further losses.

 

[Mrmotorscooter]

Imagine reading the news - Someone had a firearm and began shooting indiscriminately at targets in a densely centralized area.

Then, a citizen takes out his privately owned firearm and kills the assailant. For obvious reasons, he will face criminal proceedings. Ultimately, it's up to the law to decide if he were right or wrong.

What's your thought on this? Should he have done it? Should he have left the situation alone?

I was in a situation like this that almost escalated a long time ago. I possess and travel with firearms at all times. Thankfully, nothing violent or confrontational arose - The man was a knife-wielder who wanted suicide by cops.

I wonder what would have happened if he started slashing at those around him.

Just happened in Birmingham
https://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/state/alabama/article220779880.html

 

[nightswhisper]

Unfortunately we are not in Alabama, where open carry is permitted.

 

[sevenofnine]

you have the right to defend yourself with equal force as your attacker,
or with enough force necessary to defend yourself and others.
so in the circumstance describe you would not be a vigilantly

I met a guy from tel avi while in a laundry matt on holidays, he told me he walks the beaches in his speedo and ak47

in the states it is quite different however,
a story a few months ago, a guy shot and killed an intruder while running away through the backyard.
in Canada you would be charged with shooting an intruder who is running away from you
your life is not threatened so you do not have the right to respond with lethal force

 

[poonmiester]

Our laws in Canada in regards to criminals is just like a video game, press the reset button and they are all good to go again, until they get caught, and it starts all over and over.
But for the victims, family of the victims, nothing there for them.
Defense lawyers try to find all kind of technicalities, or discredit the victims to help the criminals.
A man walks into your home in the middle of the night and puts a knife to your face, there is not much you can do, you can’t be carrying a knife to bed, to use equal force, you can’t have a firearm sitting there to defend yourself, because if you are a law abiding citizen, your guns should be locked up in a safe with trigger locks and ammo stored separately, so now, you become a victim.
Simply because the law does not give you any power to defend yourself or your family adequately...
Criminals would probably think twice if they had any doubts that you may have a gun on your night stand. But... it’s Canada, slap on the wrist justice.... police have no power.... if you look st all the hoops, and steps, and permission and request they need to arrest someone , no wonder criminals have free plays all the time.

 

[nightswhisper]

Our laws in Canada in regards to criminals is just like a video game, press the reset button and they are all good to go again, until they get caught, and it starts all over and over.
But for the victims, family of the victims, nothing there for them.
Defense lawyers try to find all kind of technicalities, or discredit the victims to help the criminals.
A man walks into your home in the middle of the night and puts a knife to your face, there is not much you can do, you can’t be carrying a knife to bed, to use equal force, you can’t have a firearm sitting there to defend yourself, because if you are a law abiding citizen, your guns should be locked up in a safe with trigger locks and ammo stored separately, so now, you become a victim.
Simply because the law does not give you any power to defend yourself or your family adequately...
Criminals would probably think twice if they had any doubts that you may have a gun on your night stand. But... it’s Canada, slap on the wrist justice.... police have no power.... if you look st all the hoops, and steps, and permission and request they need to arrest someone , no wonder criminals have free plays all the time.

Can store firearm in safe along with ammunition in magazine provided the firearm is unloaded. No disassembly or locking device required.

 

[Addison Cortez]

Can store firearm in safe along with ammunition in magazine provided the firearm is unloaded. No disassembly or locking device required.

Allowed to use it against an intruder??

I don’t like firearms, myself...unless a bow is considered a firearm, because I want one of those

I don’t need guns *flexes*

 

[nightswhisper]

Allowed to use it against an intruder??

I don’t like firearms, myself...unless a bow is considered a firearm, because I want one of those

I don’t need guns *flexes*

You are discouraged from using a firearm against an intruder. It is not an allowed reason for the purchase and possession of firearms, but it is not "illegal" to use one against an intruder, and is reviewed on a case-by-case basis (English Common Law).

In the event of an intruder entering your house with a firearm to rob or kill you, or if there were a threat to your life, you may fire, or kill, said intruder.

However, you may NOT continue to exercise force against an intruder if they are retreating, running or backing away from you. You may use any amount of force necessary to neutralize your threat, but only just.

We do not have certain "American" rights, like Stand Your Ground and Castle Doctrine (You do not have to flee and can stay and shoot),

For example, someone enters your home with a knife.

You pull out a shotgun and cock it, he runs away after hearing the noise and you don't fire = Fine.

He runs away, you shoot him in the back = Jail.

He runs towards you, you fire and injure, he surrenders = Fine

He runs towards you, you fire and injure, he surrenders and you double tap to finish the job = Jail

He runs towards you, you fire and kill on the first shot = Fine

My first chambered round is always a rubber bullet. It is then followed by a very lethal slug.

 

[nightswhisper]

These are all hypothetical questions. Canada is safe enough I hardly think I'd ever have to resort to using a firearm for home defense.

A few years ago a jeweler in Port Alberni did have to kill armed intruders of his shop with a pistol. No charges were ever filed.

 

[westwoody]

Legal advice is best left to lawyers.
Court cases regarding shootouts are complex and best handled by specialists.

 

[nightswhisper]

Feel free to read the legislated version of what I wrote;

http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/other-autre/rsddp-rlddp/index.html