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A Study of The Bail Process in Canada.

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Larry Storch

Yes this is happening in Canada.

Despite a falling crime rate, the remand rate in Canada has nearly tripled in the past 30 years. Currently the majority of people detained in provincial and territorial jails are legally innocent, waiting for their trial or a determination of their bail. 2005 marked the first time in Canadian history that our provincial institutions were primarily being used to detain people prior to any finding of guilt, rather than after they had been convicted and sentenced

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Set Up To Fail
A quick outline can be found here: http://ccla.org/2014/07/23/canadian-civil-liberties-association-releases-report-set-up-to-fail-bail-and-the-revolving-door-of-pre-trial-detention/
 

Fullhouse

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The Canadian Civil Liberties Association (CCLA) has released a report: Set Up to Fail: Bail and the Revolving Door of Pre-trial Detention, which questions the extensive rise in pre-trial custody populations and identifies the extreme personal and financial costs of current practices in Canadian bail courts.

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According to all the fear mongering, paranoia and some legal beagle experts on here, all us pooners will add to the pre-trial custody populations after Dec. 6.:D
 

hornygandalf

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I don't think this research can directly be extrapolated to our circumstances. Different kind of offences, and different demography.
I doubt that many pooners will actually be held in custody for long, though this will depend on the jurisdiction as well.
 

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I doubt that many pooners will actually be held in custody for long, though this will depend on the jurisdiction as well.
Well, that certainly will add a lot of comfort to the minds of some of the fear stricken pooners.

But, can you define: "Held in custody for long"...:D
 

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Check your closet..:)
I am hoping the same thing will happen to prostitution as happened with marijuana.

You guys need to talk to your doctor, determine that you need to see SPs for medicinal reasons and hopefully get some kind of Get Out of Jail free card. ;)
Let us know if you do find a Doctor that will sign off on that ..:)
 
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Question, where does bail money go ? What is it used towards ?
Bail is only a deposit. It's returned to whomever posted it when the accused shows up for trial. If they don't show up, the money is forfeit and goes towards the cost of court administration.

BTW, the Criminal Code sets out only 2 criteria for denying bail: that the accused is a flight risk or likely to reoffend before trial. The people in that study fit into one of those 2 categories, or both. It's pretty unlikely that an unlucky pooner would fall into one of them, so I'd say the odds of not getting released before trial would be slim.
 

Fullhouse

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You guys need to talk to your doctor, determine that you need to see SPs for medicinal reasons and hopefully get some kind of Get Out of Jail free card. ;)
Well, travellor, I tried that with my doctor, but he wouldn't give me a 'Get out of Jail' card.

Instead he gave a 'Get out of my fu*king Office' card, attached to his right boot, implanted up my ars.

Last time I'm taking any of your advise --------------------- today.:D.:)
 

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Contact info? I still have a couple of days before the new laws come into effect :D (Looks like Jennifer Love Hewitt... Mmmm... Jennifer Love Hewitt... aaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrr gurgle gurgle /Homer)
 

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Bail is only a deposit. It's returned to whomever posted it when the accused shows up for trial. If they don't show up, the money is forfeit and goes towards the cost of court administration.

BTW, the Criminal Code sets out only 2 criteria for denying bail: that the accused is a flight risk or likely to reoffend before trial. The people in that study fit into one of those 2 categories, or both. It's pretty unlikely that an unlucky pooner would fall into one of them, so I'd say the odds of not getting released before trial would be slim.
Pretty much sums it up.

About the only time a "first offender" is NOT released almost automatically on some sort of conditions is if he is being accused of a seriously violent crime on very strong evidence (aka "a cogent case"). The fact he is facing the virtual certainty of a lengthy prison term is considered to make him a very high flight risk. Thus, if the first crime for which you are caught is an armed robbery with you readily identifiable on the store surveillance camera tape, then you have a very good chance of being held. Otherwise ... not.

The others who are being held "on remand" -- the ones discussed in this study basically -- are all people who have demonstrated to the courts that they are either a flight risk or else likely to reoffend before trial ... by doing precisely that when given chances in the past. Either they missed their court dates and wouldn't show up until finally caught again on a warrant and dragged there in handcuffs, or else they proved that they would simply ignore any rules they agreed to follow as conditions of being released by being caught repeatedly while breaking them.
 
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Larry Storch

Question, where does bail money go ? What is it used towards ?
"In British Columbia, Manitoba and Nova Scotia, the majority of accused were released on their own recognizance. During our court observations, neither British Columbia nor Manitoba courts required a surety for any accused; in Nova Scotia sureties were attached to only 25% of releases."


The report wasn't only about the difficulties in obtaining bail, but about the entire process. As well it focused on the conditions of release which have had a major impact on people's lives. Sometimes the conditions require a person to abstain from alcohol or drugs. If the person wasn't an addict or an alcoholic then it wouldn't be a problem; hence one example of being 'Set Up to Fail'.
""Abstinence clauses – not to drink alcohol: well, the reason he’s been arrested is because he was intoxicated because he’s an alcoholic. Those kinds of conditions, the guy, he’s going to breach right away.
– British Columbia defense counsel"
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"For individuals with substance addictions, abstinence conditions often do little more than set the person up for a subsequent breach charge, more pre-trial detention and a longer criminal record."

Another example would be if one of the conditions stated that you had to stay away from 'area A'. Unfortunately that is where your place of employment is. The courts have now decided that you cannot go to work to support yourself or your family. Conditions of release can last for weeks or months.

"The signs of a broken pre-trial system are visible in Canadian criminal justice statistics. Crime in our communities is down, but for the past 20 years, the number of people held in pre-trial detention has steadily increased. Today, there are more people in our provincial jails who are legally innocent than there are convicted and sentenced offenders. Many remand detention centres are at
double, triple or quadruple their original intended capacity. Dozens of cases from across the country describe violent, overcrowded institutions, where people sleep on the floor, where programming is non-existent and where fresh air is limited to 20 minutes a day. Even a few days in pre-trial detention can mean lost income, a missed rent payment, emergency child care and lapses in
medication. The pressure on individuals to agree to any proposed condition in order to be released, or simply plead guilty to get it all over with, is enormous.
Our bail system is setting people up to fail. Canadian bail courts frequently impose abstinence on alcoholics and drug addicts, residency conditions on the homeless, strict check-in requirements for those who are struggling to make ends meet, no-contact conditions between family members, and strict curfews that interfere with jobs and other essential components of adult life. Court observations in Yukon saw individuals released with a median of 13 conditions. One person observed in Ontario was released with 34 conditions. Every breach of a condition can lead to another criminal charge – and statistics show that breaches occur frequently. There is little hope than an alcoholic will be able to abstain from drinking simply because of a court order. But even individuals with significant family support and a steady income find it extremely difficult to live under severely restrictive bail conditions for the months – or years – that it usually takes to resolve criminal charges. Even when the original substantive
charge is withdrawn or dismissed, the Crown will still frequently pursue a conviction for the failure to comply.
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Fortunately:
"Of the jurisdictions studied, British Columbia had the lowest charge and conviction rate for failing to comply with a bail order. 251 defense counsels from British Columbia reported breaches of bail conditions are dealt with “with an increasing level of enlightenment”:
At one point 60% of charges in BC were what we describe as administrative offences, breaches of court orders. [Now] it depends on the nature of the accused: if the conditions are in place because the person’s been shown to be a prolific offender – so he’s breaking into cars all the time, he’s shoplifting all the time, and the police have identified 20 or 30 people like that in Vancouver, 20 or 30 people like that in Victoria – then I would say that the breaches are dealt with very quickly because the police or probation officersrecognize that they’re breaching their conditions probably because of re-offending. But in other cases, probation officers are showing a significant degree of discretion; and then in BC you see the charges are done by the Crown, [providing] that extra level of discretion, and I would say by and large prosecutors show quite a degree of discretion
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Seriously, this is worth the d/l to read. Whether you're concerned about being arrested or not this is a major problem in Canada. Some conditions are unconstitutional yet cannot be challenged due to the current system.
 
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