A session went wrong... why?

[FortunateOne]

Interesting her feelings only came out after she made a point of asking for the donation. If she sensed he wasn't attracted to her and that hurt her feelings why even ask for the donation, just send him packing.



He said she laid on the bed to put on her shoes. No mention of her inviting him to join her. If he had of jumped on the bed without an invitation, I'd be willing to bet she'd have used that as the excuse to end the session, claiming he was too aggresive. Plus if you want to scam a guy and make sure he isn't thinking too clearly, being a scantily clad woman would work on many guys.

Payment wasn't made until after this. He was not impressed by her actions prior to payment, which included a sexy greeting at the door and since that didn't work out well, an uncomfortable social time was attempted after payment. When even that didn't sit well with the OP, keep in mind that she wasn't in underwear, according to him but had covered up with a shirt and shoes lol, it must have seemed pretty clear from his questions that he disapproved of her. If you know a woman who'd ask you to stay or wasn't going to have her feelings hurt by some guy who comes in and virtually ignores the half naked female at the door and on the bed, then you probably need to clone her. Remember it is after ignoring the nakedness flirting, he pays her for the session.

But anyway, my original issue doesn't change, no matter what led up to the ending: He had to be asked 5 times, and some of the in the open door to her apartment, before he left, after continuing to try to talk her out of asking him to leave. Why? What possible fun was anticipated by him at any point once she opened the door. She had already done everything wrong.

 

[Dr.Weedsmoker]

Sometimes I feel like the only one. I have people offer me all the time and when I say no people are like "Really? But this is BC, I thought everyone smoked".

You two should be banned immediately!





Dr.W

PhD in THC

 

[Harmony-bc]

You two should be banned immediately!





Dr.W

PhD in THC

hahahaah, my parents were both pot heads. I grew up around so much weed. My mom had a tree in her closet All my friends growing up smoked weed. Most of my friends now smoke weed. I am very weed friendly.

I just don't smoke it. I don't like the effects on my body, or mind. That's it lol.

 

[keiratouch]

Many here are suggesting that I would have had to leave immediately but also stand up and ask my money back.

Now... she is standing in her underwear at the door of her apartment with the door open.
Suppose I ask my money back, money that she hasn't offered to refund, she would have most likely refused. Then what? Do I enter into a quarrel about money refund for service not provided?

The same people who are suggesting me to leave immediately are also the same who are suggesting to stand up for my money.
Do you really think that asking my money back is the fastest way to leave, without escalating the argument?

I don't know you guys... but I don't argue with an SP standing in the corridor of her apartment building.
And I don't think that it is about guts... it is about style.

I agree with most people on the board on both points. You should have abided her wishes and told her you would leave as soon as she gives you a partial refund. Since nothing physical happened it should have been a large portion. Sorry this happened to you, there seemed to be a lack in consideration on both parts.

 

[keiratouch]

Sometimes I feel like the only one. I have people offer me all the time and when I say no people are like "Really? But this is BC, I thought everyone smoked".

Lol I have the same thing happen to me, people are always so shocked for some reason.

 

[smackyo]

So I guess no one actually read the original post? I am not saying the OP had harm in his heart, but how many times do you think you would ask or tell someone to leave before you got flustered, frustrated or afraid?

I can feel that the conversation is going down the drain until at some point she stands up, asks me to follow her, open the door of the apartment:
ONE “You know what? I don’t feel comfortable with you anymore and I want you to leave”.
“please sit down and we talk about it, I’m sure it has been a big misunderstanding”.
TWO “NO, I want you to leave as your words really upset me, I don’t need you to come into my house and make judgments”.
“What? I haven’t made judgments, I have made some comments and you have misunderstood my words”.
THREE “You can come another day for free, but today I don’t feel like having sex with you”.
SHE HAS THE DOOR OPEN BY THIS TIME -- HE HAS STILL REFUSED TO LEAVE
“Please close the door, I just want to clarify the situation”.

FOUR "No, I want you to leave”.
"Yes, I will leave, but I want to leave as a friend, not thrown out of the door”.

FIVE “NO, I don’t want to talk about it I just want you to leave”.

I doubt very much by the 3rd or 4th time she was even thinking clearly. Remember, the OP was staring directly in her eyes from arrival and has already said that he questioned her behaviour and attire. This, as someone else mentioned, kind of clearly indicated displeasure. Why stay to chat on the balcony anyway? Ask for your $ back, for sure, but when you are asked once to leave, just go. Exactly how much fun did you expect to have staying to "talk" about it?

You go from someone who felt insulted by a client, asked him to leave numerous times (which he would not do), and suddenly she is an unprofessional (we already knew that), drug addicted scam artist lol. She started the session ready and willing; the OP decided to stall & make comments that ultimately made her uncomfortable. A naked willing female waiting on the bed does not sound too scammy to me, but perhaps I'm not reading enough into that.



MM, Krustee met one sp once back in 1985 who once made 15000 one month, so now he knows every sp is not only a junkie, but makes 15000 if not more every month. After all, he said it so it must be true, no matter what you say. What do you know, after all, you're just the one who is the sp. Krustee has actually seen sps, apparently. Who knows, he never posts reviews, just all these "facts".

perhaps if she would have said "here's your money back, i'm sorry i can't see you today, please leave."

it would have been easier to leave with at least a full wallet instead of an empty wallet and pent up sexual frustration.

 

[Bobo The Rabbit]

1.You got robbed.

2.If she was uncomfortable with you she should of handed the cash back (All Of It)/why did you not leave? Instead you paid her.

3.You should not be seen standing on a balcony with a nude woman this is HER FAULT, what if somone saw you?

4.This should be posted as a warning in the neighboorhood alert area and also as a review so guys can avoid her with you posting her name. This thread serves no function.

 

[Im Cuming]

Last week I call a lady advertising on Craigslist and I make arrangements to visit her.
She rarely advertises and openly declares that she is a part timer. As far as I know she is not part of this community.
In her first e-mail she had sent me references to find her on facebook inviting me to check her pictures.

I arrive at her location 5 mins early, I buzz her suite number:
“I’m not ready yet, but please come in”.

I knock at the door and she opens wearing only her panties.
She is smiling and friendly, but her naked body is a turn off for me; I’m staring directly into her eyes as I don’t want to look her naked body.
Some small talk and she goes in her bedroom to put a sleeveless shirt on and take her brand new shoes that she wants to show me.
While putting her shoes on she rolls on her bed spreading her legs; another turn off for me.
I’m still staring at her eyes again and she goes serious and asks: “Is that OK? Do you want to stay?”
“Yes, I’m ok.”

She offers me a drink, I accept a glass of water.
"Let's get the money out of the way" and I hand her the agreed donation.
She hands me a bowl with some juicy grapes.
“Nice! These are great, thank you”
“They are my favorites”.

We grab our glass of water and I follow her in the balcony.
“Are you comfortable in your underwear out on the balcony?”

At this point the conversation turns awkward.
Obviously she didn’t like my question and she took it as a judgment.
Then she start talking about privacy and discretion. How to handle the situation when SP/client meet in a social event.
I can feel that the conversation is going down the drain until at some point she stands up, asks me to follow her, open the door of the apartment:
“You know what? I don’t feel comfortable with you anymore and I want you to leave”.
“please sit down and we talk about it, I’m sure it has been a big misunderstanding”.
“NO, I want you to leave as your words really upset me, I don’t need you to come into my house and make judgments”.
“What? I haven’t made judgments, I have made some comments and you have misunderstood my words”.
“You can come another day for free, but today I don’t feel like having sex with you”.
“Please close the door, I just want to clarify the situation”.
“No, I want you to leave”.
"Yes, I will leave, but I want to leave as a friend, not thrown out of the door”.
“NO, I don’t want to talk about it I just want you to leave”.

At this point she is nearly crying, totally upset and has no ability to think anymore, so I just decide to walk out of the door and go home.
As soon as I get back home I send her an e-mail:



After one week, she still hasn’t replied.
______________

The above is my recollection of events.
I’m not sure why it all went the wrong way, but I’m interested to hear comments from both men and women in this community.

WOW, THIS SOUNDS LIKE TRUE "GIRL FRIEND EXPERIENCE"

 

[Im Cuming]

hahahaah, my parents were both pot heads. I grew up around so much weed. My mom had a tree in her closet All my friends growing up smoked weed. Most of my friends now smoke weed. I am very weed friendly.

I just don't smoke it. I don't like the effects on my body, or mind. That's it lol.

BC Boy here, Never tried POT in my life. and Don't plan too.
and Friggen Proud of it.

 

[FunSugarDaddy]

Many here are suggesting that I would have had to leave immediately but also stand up and ask my money back.

Now... she is standing in her underwear at the door of her apartment with the door open.
Suppose I ask my money back, money that she hasn't offered to refund, she would have most likely refused. Then what? Do I enter into a quarrel about money refund for service not provided?

The same people who are suggesting me to leave immediately are also the same who are suggesting to stand up for my money.
Do you really think that asking my money back is the fastest way to leave, without escalating the argument?

I don't know you guys... but I don't argue with an SP standing in the corridor of her apartment building.
And I don't think that it is about guts... it is about style.

There's a difference between arguing and asking. If you said something along the lines "look I'm sorry but this obviously has worked out the way either of us expected and since you wish me to leave, I think it's reasonable to expect my money back"

If she refuses, then unfortunately you've been riped off. But then at least it's cystal clear that's what happened.

Having said that I can feel for you. I've been in 2-3 situation where the money's been paid and I'm not enjoying myself at all. In two of those situations the session ended at about 1/2 the time it should have. But sexual activity did take place, so I never asked for my $$ back, but in one case I certainly make my feelings known about my lack of satisfaction. In one of the cases, I simply should have walked out, as the lady was the same woman as in the pic but she had only send me a head shot and was about 40 pounds heavier than I expected. She was also new to this sort of thing so I didn't want to piss on her parade. But what I should have done was give her $50 bucks and walked. But it's usually not the looks themselves that resulted in my lack of satisfaction, it's that along with a clear lack of chemistry that make them WOT's.

 

[Kevin101]

Scammed/Robbed.

"Say Money Bring B!tches, B!tches Bring Lies"


Tupac - All Eyes On Me

 

[Fullhouse]

Hey kodiak-bear3, sorry to hear about your sad experience. I can only form an opinion from what you wrote (I wasn't there), and from what I read, I agree with a lot of members who feel you got scammed and ripped off.

The thing that does bother me the most about your post, is that you won't divulge the S.P.s name out of respect to her.

I thought one of the main functions of this, or any escort review board, is to share reviews, good or bad, so that fellow pooners
may gather much appreciated info about a lady they may wish to see.

A fantastic, well written review, glowing with accolades about the wonderful charm, service and skills bestowed upon a client is as useless as tits on a bull if the ladies name or contact is not mentioned in the review. Why bother wasting all the time it takes to write such a review, if readers don't have a clue who the writer is talking about.

The same holds true for bad reviews. No name or contact info., why bother writing it. Not a single clue about who we should possibly avoid. USELESS. And please don't say it's out of respect to her.

I think I would have lost a little respect immediately if I was greeted (for the first time) by a naked lady. A little more respect would have been lost by her putting on her new shoes and flopping on the bed with legs spread wide open - not the classiest.
Then she goes out on the balcony naked (after asking) to have a cigarette. Wow - I'm paying $300 an hour to watch this chick waste 10 minutes of my hour!!!! Some more respect gone out the window, or in this case, the balcony. Then, all I say is:"Are you comfortable in your underwear out on the balcony" . Reasonable question, because you wouldn't catch me out there naked. Then she loses it and asks me to leave. - WTF - did I say that was so terrible?? The old "respect bank" is really starting to get depleted by now., but she does offer a freebie down the road. (Well, my intention was getting laid today, young lady, not come up here and give you my money on a lay-away plan to be used at a later date). No offering of any money to be returned.
By now, the "respect bank" has zero balance. I leave, but do send an e-mail, which hasn't been answered in 7-10 days. Respect is now in overdraft. - None left - whatsoever - period.

So kodiac-bear3, can you help us out and tell us who you're talking about so we can possibly avoid this rip-off, or do you still insist on protecting the lady due to your high respect. If the latter is true, then I wish you lots of luck with your "make-up" session you bought on the lay-away plan. Who knows, she may answer your e-mail as soon as she has figured out another way she can scam you for some more money.------Good Luck----

 

[bcneil]

Hey kodiak-bear3, sorry to hear about your sad experience. I can only form an opinion from what you wrote (I wasn't there), and from what I read, I agree with a lot of members who feel you got scammed and ripped off.

The thing that does bother me the most about your post, is that you won't divulge the S.P.s name out of respect to her.


A fantastic, well written review, glowing with accolades about the wonderful charm, service and skills bestowed upon a client is as useless as tits on a bull if the ladies name or contact is not mentioned in the review. Why bother wasting all the time it takes to write such a review, if readers don't have a clue who the writer is talking about.

The same holds true for bad reviews. No name or contact info., why bother writing it. Not a single clue about who we should possibly avoid. USELESS. And please don't say it's out of respect to her.

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Excellent post, what kind of person respects those who rob him?
Its obvious the OP still has hopes that he will one day received this "free session". Which is clearly his intention of not naming her.

 

[Krustee]

WOW, THIS SOUNDS LIKE TRUE "GIRL FRIEND EXPERIENCE"

And probably cost about the same too!

 

[lenny]

Last week I call a lady advertising on Craigslist and I make arrangements to visit her.
She rarely advertises and openly declares that she is a part timer. As far as I know she is not part of this community.
In her first e-mail she had sent me references to find her on facebook inviting me to check her pictures.

I arrive at her location 5 mins early, I buzz her suite number:
“I’m not ready yet, but please come in”.

I knock at the door and she opens wearing only her panties.
She is smiling and friendly, but her naked body is a turn off for me; I’m staring directly into her eyes as I don’t want to look her naked body.

Did you see her naked body in the pics on facebook?

Did they misrepresent what you saw in person?

If so you were w/i your moral rights to walk w/o paying right then.

 

[Krustee]

So I guess no one actually read the original post? I am not saying the OP had harm in his heart, but how many times do you think you would ask or tell someone to leave before you got flustered, frustrated or afraid?

Why do gals like you always play the violent male card?
If she wanted him to not be upset - she should have given the money back!

I can feel that the conversation is going down the drain until at some point she stands up, asks me to follow her, open the door of the apartment:
ONE “You know what? I don’t feel comfortable with you anymore and I want you to leave”.
“please sit down and we talk about it, I’m sure it has been a big misunderstanding”.
TWO “NO, I want you to leave as your words really upset me, I don’t need you to come into my house and make judgments”.
“What? I haven’t made judgments, I have made some comments and you have misunderstood my words”.
THREE “You can come another day for free, but today I don’t feel like having sex with you”.
SHE HAS THE DOOR OPEN BY THIS TIME -- HE HAS STILL REFUSED TO LEAVE
“Please close the door, I just want to clarify the situation”.

FOUR "No, I want you to leave”.
"Yes, I will leave, but I want to leave as a friend, not thrown out of the door”.

FIVE “NO, I don’t want to talk about it I just want you to leave”.

Sounds to me like a scam from an overly sensitive or psychopathic female?

How is it you agree with her FO?

Do you relate with her thinking?

I doubt very much by the 3rd or 4th time she was even thinking clearly. Remember, the OP was staring directly in her eyes from arrival and has already said that he questioned her behaviour and attire. This, as someone else mentioned, kind of clearly indicated displeasure. Why stay to chat on the balcony anyway? Ask for your $ back, for sure, but when you are asked once to leave, just go. Exactly how much fun did you expect to have staying to "talk" about it?

"Just go"?
Sure, just give him the majority of his money back & I would bet he would have been on his way.

I guess this concept does not hold water for you though.

You go from someone who felt insulted by a client, asked him to leave numerous times (which he would not do), and suddenly she is an unprofessional (we already knew that), drug addicted scam artist lol. She started the session ready and willing; the OP decided to stall & make comments that ultimately made her uncomfortable. A naked willing female waiting on the bed does not sound too scammy to me, but perhaps I'm not reading enough into that.
Ready & willing as well as very unprofessional & without any class.

This guy is used to women being at least as classy as himself or more so.

I am sure he was a bit shocked with the reality of so many SP's out there.

MM, Krustee met one sp once back in 1985 who once made 15000 one month, so now he knows every sp is not only a junkie, but makes 15000 if not more every month.

Really?
FYI FO - I have been seeing escorts a hell of a lot longer than you have been one.
Over the past 13 years I saw at least 7-15 different escorts per year & those who became regulars I would see weekly or bi-weekly.

I speak from a point of many years of experience as a client, SO & friend to well over a hundred in this industry.

I've known some who made $20,000 plus per month & some who only made $5,000 per month.

Based on the facts of knowing what the gals I have known make per month I can say that the average of income for them is $10k-$15k and about 90% did not file taxes because it was all cash coming in.

Unfortunately over half of them were either alcoholic or had some other addiction. (usually do not find out until you get to know them well)

I am sure that in your world only 0.005% ever have an addiction in this biz.

After all, he said it so it must be true, no matter what you say. What do you know, after all, you're just the one who is the sp. Krustee has actually seen sps, apparently. Who knows, he never posts reviews, just all these "facts".

I would be more than happy to review you!

Whether or not I post a review is irrelevant FO.
There's plenty out there who can vouch for having seen me & none of them would ever say they were treated disrespectful or not properly compensated.

Talk to Audrey or Sandi or Kristy etc. etc. ....

Payment wasn't made until after this. He was not impressed by her actions prior to payment, which included a sexy greeting at the door and since that didn't work out well, an uncomfortable social time was attempted after payment.

You have got to be kiding me?
"Sexy greeting?"
How about amateur & un-classy?

He went there for a intimate experience not a crack ho experience!

If you know a woman who'd ask you to stay or wasn't going to have her feelings hurt by some guy who comes in and virtually ignores the half naked female at the door and on the bed, then you probably need to clone her. Remember it is after ignoring the nakedness flirting, he pays her for the session.

I am sure he was holding out hope things would get better, but she kept showing very little couth & low class.

But anyway, my original issue doesn't change, no matter what led up to the ending: He had to be asked 5 times, and some of the in the open door to her apartment, before he left, after continuing to try to talk her out of asking him to leave. Why? What possible fun was anticipated by him at any point once she opened the door. She had already done everything wrong.

How about showing some semblance of professionalism & giving the money back?

What scares me FO, is that you cannot see how this client was ripped off?

Is this how you treat your clients?

1.You got robbed.

2.If she was uncomfortable with you she should of handed the cash back (All Of It)/why did you not leave? Instead you paid her.

3.You should not be seen standing on a balcony with a nude woman this is HER FAULT, what if somone saw you?

4.This should be posted as a warning in the neighboorhood alert area and also as a review so guys can avoid her with you posting her name. This thread serves no function.

Well according to FO it was the clients fault for having too high expectations.

I am sure the next step is to accuse kb3 of being a abusive male & put him on the Do Not See list.

 

[hunsperger]

...

have to agree with everything Krustee said...

the people running to her defence makes me sick...

the woman is nothing but a con artist...

 

[HB40]

I am sure he was a bit shocked with the reality of so many SP's out there.

Over the past 13 years I saw at least 7-15 different escorts per year & those who became regulars I would see weekly or bi-weekly.

I speak from a point of many years of experience as a client, SO & friend to well over a hundred in this industry.

Unfortunately over half of them were either alcoholic or had some other addiction. (usually do not find out until you get to know them well)

He went there for a intimate experience not a crack ho experience!

Well, it sounds like his odds weren't very good.

There's plenty out there who can vouch for having seen me & none of them would ever say they were treated disrespectful or not properly compensated.

Talk to Audrey or Sandi or Kristy etc. etc. ....

I bet they're tickled pink with an endorsement from Krustee.

Well according to FO it was the clients fault for having too high expectations.

Don't we all.

 

[lenny]

The only person who knows what exactly her motives were is the lady who is the subject of this thread.

True, though we love to speculate and play detective Clouseau.


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[kodiak_bear3]

This was not a review

I didn't mean to write a review, otherwise I would have posted in the more appropriate section.

It is more about the woman's behavior and my behavior that I was interested to have a feedback and light up the discussion.
Also I'm not interested in reading personal insults, whether they are addressed to me or the lady. Insults are not constructive and don't add value to the conversation.

There are some keypoints about this event:

1. In the preliminary contact she sent me the link to her facebook page. Her real name was there, all her friends, her real life information. I found this strange and wanted to learn more the reasons why she doesn't care to keep her real life and her "part time secret profession" separate. This is one of the reasons why I won't reveal her information: I don't play with people real life.
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2. She received me naked and tried everything to address my attention to her body. This makes me think that she was using her body as a shield, not to allow herself to be part of the session. When I showed no interest for her body, she may have felt "weak" and "powerless", which is consistent with my point #4 here below.
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3. I am very careful how I choose my words in a conversation and I mean exactly what I say. Many times (more often with women), I had to deal with people who hear my words, but interpret them in a different way, rather frequently implying accusations or judgment. Handling these situations is not easy.
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4. The only way to deal with conflicts is through communication: you calm down and talk. This is what I was trying to achieve when she wanted to throw me out of the door. Her refusal to talk makes me think that she felt threatened. Now, my behavior is extremely polite and I never raise the tone of the voice and I can't understand why she may have felt threat from me.
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5. The moment that she suggested that I come another day for a free session I knew that I was not going to see my money back. My try to sit down and talk was simply to clarify the misunderstanding and leave spontaneously, not thrown out of the door. Asking money in that situation would have caused more stress, stress that I was trying to avoid. Yes, I could have politely asked for the money back, but what is the purpose of asking something for which you already know the answer?