Ha ha ha.
Sure no problem I just need a small cancellation fee for the time and effort I've wasted fucking around calling you, booking you and driving over here.
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Sure no problem I just need a small cancellation fee for the time and effort I've wasted fucking around calling you, booking you and driving over here.
WTF???If you are asked to leave, you leave. You don't try to insist, to the point of her having to ask several times, to talk about it, you don't wait until she is nearly crying before you go.
Let me see if I understand your reasoning, if I walk in the door & don't start showering an escort with flattery despite her being well past her prime & not as advertised she can ask me to leave & keep MY money?
Hey FO, who is the one advertising themselves as a professional escort?
Who placed an ad?
Who is performing a business transaction?
Who is the customer?
She offered to do a free session at a later date.
If she is not willing to do so then she should refund the money.
PERIOD!
This client did nothing wrong to the SP.
He did not swear at her, denigrate her or insult her.
If she does not have the mental stability to handle being in this biz she should leave it.
How can you be an SP in this city & have the attitude you are showing with your comments?
Duh!
The guy was slightly taken back at the indiscretion of this gal from the time she opened her door & going out on the balcony just reinforced his first impression.
let's get the facts straight here;
he never said to her that he was turned off, he said;
“Are you comfortable in your underwear out on the balcony?”
That was a perfectly reasonable thing to ask especially concerning that she has neighbors.
I would add to that:
Extremely inept
Extremely unprofessional
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Extremely immature.
That is the problem, too many unprofessional flighty gals in this business for the wrong reasons.
A true professional will be ready at least 10 minutes before a session.
Why not?
Considering the huge sums of money & the environment they work in almost begs them to get involved with drugs.
When you are earning $15,000 plus per month, a $200 per day habit is manageable.
I agree - she is a scammer & most likely an addict as well.
Now that I have said something less than positive about an SP -
let the flaming begin!
Why were any of that a turn off for you? Are you gay?
Was she not attractive naked and rolling on her bed with legs spread? Are you very conservative? I don't mean to sound harsh but I'll like you to elaborate on why those things were a turn off for you. And what on earth were you two doing going to the balcony? For a smoke, perhaps?I think you communicated the turning off part to her telepathically.
What are the backgrounds?
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lol I think he meant that her body type didn't attractive him physically ... that she was overweight, or quite aged..?
As for spreading her legs... not all beavers are hot? Perhaps it was nasty looking.
It's not uncommon for a session to start out with some conversation over a beverage... some would do this indoors on the couch, others outside on the balcony. Personally, I would want to be discreet if on a balcony - and would cover up. This is why he questioned her on it.
Regarding the fact that she said “You can come another day for free, but today I don’t feel like having sex with you”.
Perhaps that was part of a scam... and perhaps it was to get him out of the place as fast as she could.
As for spreading her legs... not all beavers are hot? Perhaps it was nasty looking.
It's not uncommon for a session to start out with some conversation over a beverage... some would do this indoors on the couch, others outside on the balcony. Personally, I would want to be discreet if on a balcony - and would cover up. This is why he questioned her on it.
Regarding the fact that she said “You can come another day for free, but today I don’t feel like having sex with you”.
Perhaps that was part of a scam... and perhaps it was to get him out of the place as fast as she could.
Background
My thoughts are that this lady is very emotional and probably shy too.
She uses her body to shield herself from her clients.
When she realized that the showing of her body wasn't doing it for me, she felt exposed and without weapons.
Why her naked body didn't do it for me? Well... I have no problems with a naked body after a certain level of confidence has been established, but I find it untasteful and inelegant to receive a person who you've never met before in such attire.
Yes, she went out on the balcony to smoke a cigarette after politely asking if it was OK with me.Why was any of that a turn off for you? Are you gay?
My thoughts are that this lady is very emotional and probably shy too.
She uses her body to shield herself from her clients.
When she realized that the showing of her body wasn't doing it for me, she felt exposed and without weapons.
Why her naked body didn't do it for me? Well... I have no problems with a naked body after a certain level of confidence has been established, but I find it untasteful and inelegant to receive a person who you've never met before in such attire.
Perhaps that was part of the scam ???
No question about it being part of the scam. How is it "another day for free" when she's keeping the money for this non-session ? All he did was pay in advance for a session he'll never have and at this point probably doesn't want to have.
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This "provider" does not belong in the business, she is immature, uses all her "tricks" to get her way and is a liar.
She should have promptly offered his money back fully while asking him to leave. Anything less is a joke.
Why are sp's allowed to get away with such poor business paractises???
Why do SP's think their preparation time is worth anythig more or less than my preparation time?
She should have promptly offered his money back fully while asking him to leave. Anything less is a joke.
Why are sp's allowed to get away with such poor business paractises???
Why do SP's think their preparation time is worth anythig more or less than my preparation time?
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be prepared for the wrath of PERB's resident white knight Hubba ...
in Hubba's world all the girls are just perfect ...
yes indeed...I agree - she is a scammer & most likely an addict as well.
Now that I have said something less than positive about an SP -
let the flaming begin!
be prepared for the wrath of PERB's resident white knight Hubba
...in Hubba's world all the girls are just perfect
...Where to you get the notion that she's offering you a "free visit" if you already paid for this one?
Essentially she decided you weren't compatable, and truthfully, if she asked you to leave and no activity had taken place, you were entitled to a full refund.
Personally, while I prefer to meet someone fully/partially clothed, I can roll with this either way.
My take on it is that she never intended to rip anyone off. She answered the door naked expecting him to act all horny and excited, he didn't. Her feelings got hurt. She did not know how to roll with it. She then needed tp have a smoke to compose herself out on her balcony which further freaked the op out, lol.
I love being naked, but would not go out on my balcony naked, cause of my neighbors, but I'll go naked on your balcony, hahahaa I always answer my door in some kind of clothing though, and I still hide behind it, lol. Some girls don't know how to be sensual, instead of just sexual.
I think she offered a free makeup session because she did not want to give the money back, and the op was a little too thrown off to ask for it back, which would have been within his right to do so. I think he handled it with class, but she would have been more comfortable if he had of grabbed her tits right upon walking in the door, lol.
I love being naked, but would not go out on my balcony naked, cause of my neighbors, but I'll go naked on your balcony, hahahaa I always answer my door in some kind of clothing though, and I still hide behind it, lol. Some girls don't know how to be sensual, instead of just sexual.
I think she offered a free makeup session because she did not want to give the money back, and the op was a little too thrown off to ask for it back, which would have been within his right to do so. I think he handled it with class, but she would have been more comfortable if he had of grabbed her tits right upon walking in the door, lol.
She should, but the chances of that happening or nil. There is a huge chance that the girl is a bit of a drug addict.
I consider myself a professional, but if you are early, you will be hanging around on the corner until it is time to come upstairs. Sometimes I am 5 or so minutes late. I am rushing around putting clean sheets on my bed, vaccuuming my bedroom, putting lip gloss on, brushing my hair, making sure the seams are staight on my stockings, etc. I am not a guy that can be ready in 10 minutes flat.
Working in parlors, you get offered drugs quite alot. When I had an ad or two on craigslist and the westender/georgia straight, I also got offered drugs sometimes. I am a very strong, independant woman, though, and do not like to be a slave to anything, or not in control, and I have always been very good at saying no. I know tons of working girls that do not do drugs, and a few that do. This is a harmful stereo type that we are all on drugs. This is British Columbia and I don't even smoke weed. If you have a $200 a day habit, you will not be able to earn $15,000 a month for long. I know a girl that used to be one of the most beautiful girls, I've ever seen, just beautiful. She used to charge $400/hr, now she turns tricks on Hastings st, for what ever she can get. Under the bad skin, you can still see that at one time she was model beautiful.
So I guess no one actually read the original post? I am not saying the OP had harm in his heart, but how many times do you think you would ask or tell someone to leave before you got flustered, frustrated or afraid?
I can feel that the conversation is going down the drain until at some point she stands up, asks me to follow her, open the door of the apartment:
ONE “You know what? I don’t feel comfortable with you anymore and I want you to leave”.
“please sit down and we talk about it, I’m sure it has been a big misunderstanding”.
TWO “NO, I want you to leave as your words really upset me, I don’t need you to come into my house and make judgments”.
“What? I haven’t made judgments, I have made some comments and you have misunderstood my words”.
THREE “You can come another day for free, but today I don’t feel like having sex with you”.
SHE HAS THE DOOR OPEN BY THIS TIME -- HE HAS STILL REFUSED TO LEAVE
“Please close the door, I just want to clarify the situation”.
FOUR "No, I want you to leave”.
"Yes, I will leave, but I want to leave as a friend, not thrown out of the door”.
FIVE “NO, I don’t want to talk about it I just want you to leave”.
I doubt very much by the 3rd or 4th time she was even thinking clearly. Remember, the OP was staring directly in her eyes from arrival and has already said that he questioned her behaviour and attire. This, as someone else mentioned, kind of clearly indicated displeasure. Why stay to chat on the balcony anyway? Ask for your $ back, for sure, but when you are asked once to leave, just go. Exactly how much fun did you expect to have staying to "talk" about it?
You go from someone who felt insulted by a client, asked him to leave numerous times (which he would not do), and suddenly she is an unprofessional (we already knew that), drug addicted scam artist lol. She started the session ready and willing; the OP decided to stall & make comments that ultimately made her uncomfortable. A naked willing female waiting on the bed does not sound too scammy to me, but perhaps I'm not reading enough into that.
MM, Krustee met one sp once back in 1985 who once made 15000 one month, so now he knows every sp is not only a junkie, but makes 15000 if not more every month. After all, he said it so it must be true, no matter what you say. What do you know, after all, you're just the one who is the sp. Krustee has actually seen sps, apparently. Who knows, he never posts reviews, just all these "facts".
I can feel that the conversation is going down the drain until at some point she stands up, asks me to follow her, open the door of the apartment:
ONE “You know what? I don’t feel comfortable with you anymore and I want you to leave”.
“please sit down and we talk about it, I’m sure it has been a big misunderstanding”.
TWO “NO, I want you to leave as your words really upset me, I don’t need you to come into my house and make judgments”.
“What? I haven’t made judgments, I have made some comments and you have misunderstood my words”.
THREE “You can come another day for free, but today I don’t feel like having sex with you”.
SHE HAS THE DOOR OPEN BY THIS TIME -- HE HAS STILL REFUSED TO LEAVE
“Please close the door, I just want to clarify the situation”.
FOUR "No, I want you to leave”.
"Yes, I will leave, but I want to leave as a friend, not thrown out of the door”.
FIVE “NO, I don’t want to talk about it I just want you to leave”.
I doubt very much by the 3rd or 4th time she was even thinking clearly. Remember, the OP was staring directly in her eyes from arrival and has already said that he questioned her behaviour and attire. This, as someone else mentioned, kind of clearly indicated displeasure. Why stay to chat on the balcony anyway? Ask for your $ back, for sure, but when you are asked once to leave, just go. Exactly how much fun did you expect to have staying to "talk" about it?
You go from someone who felt insulted by a client, asked him to leave numerous times (which he would not do), and suddenly she is an unprofessional (we already knew that), drug addicted scam artist lol. She started the session ready and willing; the OP decided to stall & make comments that ultimately made her uncomfortable. A naked willing female waiting on the bed does not sound too scammy to me, but perhaps I'm not reading enough into that.
MM, Krustee met one sp once back in 1985 who once made 15000 one month, so now he knows every sp is not only a junkie, but makes 15000 if not more every month. After all, he said it so it must be true, no matter what you say. What do you know, after all, you're just the one who is the sp. Krustee has actually seen sps, apparently. Who knows, he never posts reviews, just all these "facts".
I was thinking along those lines after kodiak_bear3's further explanations. It's too bad that it happened but I think ultimately both parties could have handled it a bit better. She should have given him a refund instead of just trying to get him out the door. He should have gotten out without escalating the situation any more. Once she got into her panic mode if you will, her right brain took over and logic goes out the window. More often than not, in situations where the pooner and SP doesn't click for whatever reason, the pooner gets the short end of the straw. In this case, kodiak_bear3 is shit out of luck for the donations barring a miracle. In any event, would he still want to see this SP even if she honoured the free session?
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Personally the second she asked me to leave I would've said absolutely and asked for my donation back in full! Not a penny less. If she's going to pull hysterics then its going to have to cost her. She got your cash and scammed you for it and you didnt have the balls to stand up for yourself and request a refund!
She's a crook and you're spineless
She's a crook and you're spineless
Interesting her feelings only came out after she made a point of asking for the donation. If she sensed he wasn't attracted to her and that hurt her feelings why even ask for the donation, just send him packing.
He said she laid on the bed to put on her shoes. No mention of her inviting him to join her. If he had of jumped on the bed without an invitation, I'd be willing to bet she'd have used that as the excuse to end the session, claiming he was too aggresive. Plus if you want to scam a guy and make sure he isn't thinking too clearly, being a scantily clad woman would work on many guys.
knock at the door and she opens wearing only her panties.
She is smiling and friendly, but her naked body is a turn off for me; I’m staring directly into her eyes as I don’t want to look her naked body.
Some small talk and she goes in her bedroom to put a sleeveless shirt on and take her brand new shoes that she wants to show me.
While putting her shoes on she rolls on her bed spreading her legs; another turn off for me.
I’m still staring at her eyes again and she goes serious and asks: “Is that OK? Do you want to stay?”
“Yes, I’m ok.”
um, I don't think you read this post correctly. You can read when her insecurity took over. Clearly she was trying to turn him on. Both of them did things wrong, but I do not think in the beginning there was any ill intent.
I think the OP was too prudish for this wanton provider, lol I also think to do this job successfully you have to have thick skin, which clearly she is lacking.
This would really turn me on. I have pictured this in my mind a hundred times since I read your post. I haven't once pictured her eyes.
Damn! One my fantasies is for a hot woman to answer the door naked.
I suspect that she has had other clients who responded just the opposite to the way that you did.
A good SP must have a heck of time trying to read each client so as to figure which buttons to push for his enjoyment.
Upon the first request to leave, I do think it is appropriate to leave...not negotiate a chance to straighten things out. Ask for your refund and go immediately.
Asking money back
Many here are suggesting that I would have had to leave immediately but also stand up and ask my money back.
Now... she is standing in her underwear at the door of her apartment with the door open.
Suppose I ask my money back, money that she hasn't offered to refund, she would have most likely refused. Then what? Do I enter into a quarrel about money refund for service not provided?
The same people who are suggesting me to leave immediately are also the same who are suggesting to stand up for my money.
Do you really think that asking my money back is the fastest way to leave, without escalating the argument?
I don't know you guys... but I don't argue with an SP standing in the corridor of her apartment building.
And I don't think that it is about guts... it is about style.
Many here are suggesting that I would have had to leave immediately but also stand up and ask my money back.
Now... she is standing in her underwear at the door of her apartment with the door open.
Suppose I ask my money back, money that she hasn't offered to refund, she would have most likely refused. Then what? Do I enter into a quarrel about money refund for service not provided?
The same people who are suggesting me to leave immediately are also the same who are suggesting to stand up for my money.
Do you really think that asking my money back is the fastest way to leave, without escalating the argument?
I don't know you guys... but I don't argue with an SP standing in the corridor of her apartment building.
And I don't think that it is about guts... it is about style.
