A Possible Alternative to Escorts - One Guy's Experience So Far

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I am a relatively new transplant back to BC. I am at a stage in life where I work way too much but have all the things in place to easily retire/not have to work by the time I am 40. However the amount of work time and travel leave it impossible to be tied into a proper relationship plus, and who am I kidding, I like to fuck around. In Montreal there was so many options for escorts and the quality was very high for the most part. Here the options are much less and the quality is widely variable with a huge number lying about looks and age with the age thing being amazing in how many ancient escorts are here out west. If I wanted to fuck my aunt's or my mom's friends I sure as hell wouldn't be paying for it.

So, I started playing a few ads starting about six months ago on Craigslist and similar looking for a mutually beneficial casual relationship. The response was overwhelming and though you have to weed through some fake responses, obvious trolls and some truly hideous responses, I have found no fewer than four or five "gems" that are really non-pro and are seemingly very happy with our arrangement. No strings. No drama. Different arrangement in each case but it works out in all aspects. Without lots of details, the response from those I have arrangements with all say it works perfectly for their lives and is really not different to them than having a guy buy them dinner and have a little wrestle afterwards. For the price of that dinner, we skip the meal and that's that.

Not saying it is for every guy to try but I was amazed at the response I got. Lots of pictures sent and lots of very attractive, very nice (non-dramatic or with baggage for you to take on) and very into a good wrestle ever once in a while ladies out there. Ages typically well under 30 and at least half are either doing courses and working or doing the latter but not at the stage in their careers where they can fully make ends meet.

Everyone would do this differently, my own rules are always use their place and/or public place, only do contact through my special computer account/phone account, don't fish too close to the pond you live, retain no personal information on anyone other than their basic contact information, if I feel any emotional connection starting on either side of the fence the contact is deleted, never pay for services down the road and stay the hell away from any drama.

For what it is worth - this may explain my lack of reviews for a while as I am finding the escort pickings right now both slim and overpopulated with a bunch of older escorts who somehow have a following.

If I understand you, you're talking about an NSA SD hook up. Right? With the twist of using a disposable number/e-mail to ensure there are no strings that could lead to your real self.

If that works for you ... Fair enough.

CL, BP, SA and Tinder are all avenues to broaden one's search.

Hope it works for all involved.

 

[Caramel]

I just wanted to say...since 2014-15, there has been a huge increase in the amount of new escorts, due to the word being spread on social media etc. It's extremely easy to do and the high cost of living & education for my generation makes this very appealing to many young ladies out there, and it's not as taboo in our under 30 age group either...so the excuse of the same old escorts aging and still in the game is old news nowadays.

Here the options are much less and the quality is widely variable with a huge number lying about looks and age with the age thing being amazing in how many ancient escorts are here out west. If I wanted to fuck my aunt's or my mom's friends I sure as hell wouldn't be paying for it.

 

[Vanman1979]

Hundred reviews and 6.969 posts.

I'm at 94 6 to go. And thanks to you comment one step closer on the posting side...lol

 

[morementum]

I just wanted to say...since 2014-15, there has been a huge increase in the amount of new escorts, due to the word being spread on social media etc. It's extremely easy to do and the high cost of living & education for my generation makes this very appealing to many young ladies out there, and it's not as taboo in our under 30 age group either...so the excuse of the same old escorts aging and still in the game is old news nowadays.

Totally and respectfully disagree. Most of the "new" escorts in Vancouver are quite old actually it seems and the service in compare to other major cities (e.g. Montreal) is horrid in general. What some who are replying in this thread seem to think is that the arrangements you can get through these alternatives still have a price tag but it isn't as formal and you are not meeting up with someone who does this full-time or even part-time - you are hooking up with someone who only is in a situation where a bit of financial assistance on the side would help and so they are open to the concept and find they even enjoy the experience. My guess some of those who are dabbling actually may indeed become escorts. One I have seen and no longer do did exactly that.

Point is, the quality and quantity of escorts in Vancouver seems to be in decline as mirrored by experience and these very review pages. What I was posting was simply an alternative that some guys may wish to pursue. Based upon pms I have been responding to all day, a lot of guys apparently are interested in just that. It would seem the concept annoys some and they just couldn't resist chiming in versus ignoring something that clearly isn't for them.

If you look at the advert section in here, to counter your point, I see so many of the same old escorts that have been part of Vancouver for seemingly decades. Names change at time and photoshopping can occur but the amount of fresh, new and "into it" talent is in short supply.

 

[Caramel]

Totally and respectfully disagree. Most of the "new" escorts in Vancouver are quite old actually it seems and the service in compare to other major cities (e.g. Montreal) is horrid in general. What some who are replying in this thread seem to think is that the arrangements you can get through these alternatives still have a price tag but it isn't as formal and you are not meeting up with someone who does this full-time or even part-time - you are hooking up with someone who only is in a situation where a bit of financial assistance on the side would help and so they are open to the concept and find they even enjoy the experience. My guess some of those who are dabbling actually may indeed become escorts. One I have seen and no longer do did exactly that.

Point is, the quality and quantity of escorts in Vancouver seems to be in decline as mirrored by experience and these very review pages. What I was posting was simply an alternative that some guys may wish to pursue. Based upon pms I have been responding to all day, a lot of guys apparently are interested in just that. It would seem the concept annoys some and they just couldn't resist chiming in versus ignoring something that clearly isn't for them.

If you look at the advert section in here, to counter your point, I see so many of the same old escorts that have been part of Vancouver for seemingly decades. Names change at time and photoshopping can occur but the amount of fresh, new and "into it" talent is in short supply.

I was actually referring to leolist...its like the craigslist of this era, it's well known as the go-to site for pay for play in this region. Perb isn't really common among newbies and first timers imo. edit: have to add backpage into that, thats probably #2 around here, and #1 in USA...if girls want to dig a bit deeper and become more established in this industry they would probably look to the other local sites like perb, eros, etc.

 

[ddcanz]

Never suggested you should not share your concept. I am here because some SPs suggested I share my stories and life style. I just indicated it would not work for me. Sorry if My compliment was taken as insecurity. I have had enough bad relationships both inside the SP world and out to say it does not work for me. I wish much luck and hope you have a large following of guys who do not want to pay to play. My experiences will ladies who will their bodies for free might have a different standard that ladies that make a living with their body. But it is an observation. You are much wider and more knowledgeable, and much wealthier than I.

Much can be learned from your example. Wish I had the capability to have women sleep with me for free. You should see if a few of them might start paying you and you could retirer sooner.

Good luck to you. Bang away morrmentum, bang away. Enjoy you only go around once.

I am not that smart so I will keep paying and playing. Ever though franchising the idea. I could see you on that shark show.

Did I miss something in translation?
Where does MM say he doesn't "pay for play"?
Was pretty clear to me that he spoke of (to paraphrase) "a mutually beneficial relationship" and "for the price of a dinner, without paying for the dinner, but instead a romp".
Why so sensitive, brother?

 

[morementum]

Did I miss something in translation?
Where does MM say he doesn't "pay for play"?
Was pretty clear to me that he spoke of (to paraphrase) "a mutually beneficial relationship" and "for the price of a dinner, without paying for the dinner, but instead a romp".
Why so sensitive, brother?

DD thanks bro but not worth the effort. There are a few on this site who seem offended by just about anything and they troll such threads - very predictably. Not sure what shape of metal rod is up dark places in each case but I just let it go but at same time won't stand for the cyber bully passive aggression and so point it out in such a way that even more fandom seems to follow.

I thought it was very clear as well. My English is coming along and I know I still make grammatical errors but on what you found easy to figure out, it was crystal clear in my mind and no one else seemingly missed it either.

Have a good one.

 

[Rod_Longenhard]

I've dabbled in this underground market you speak of. Most of the time the encounters weren't on going and were mostly one-offs more than anything else. The women were some of the hotter ones but that took time. It might take a month or two to finally meet one in the real world that was worthwhile. A few would go on to become some very popular escorts later and I'm happy to have test driven them before the days of back to back appointments and pressures of being "reviewed".

At some point though you're just going to have to accept that Montreal isn't Vancouver and that it won't ever be like that here.

I agree the average quality has declined a little but not sure I've noticed an age increase. I wouldn't let a few 40-something hasbeens factor in there too too much.

On your last point I concur. If something doesn't interest you, no need to respond just move on to something that does!

 

[Cappa]

So what is the escort scene like in Montreal? What factors make it better than Vancouver?

 

[apl16]

Thx, momentum. Interesting idea I haven't considered in the past. May try in the future but have a weekly civilian encounter that has been working very well.
Appreciate the input

 

[Sonny]

Yawn.....
Not quite sure as to the purpose of this thread....
Nothing new....

Choices as put forth have been readily around forever.... even before the internet, lol ....

 

[escapefromstress]

Tinder and Twitter are where the younger crowd find hookups these days.

Us ancient ones have the intestinal fortitude to participate on review boards.

 

[morementum]

So what is the escort scene like in Montreal? What factors make it better than Vancouver?

So many more independent (truly independent) first and foremost. Second, many part-time who are students, office workers etc. who use the between the sheets to supplement income and so only partake a few times a week and are fresh and ready so to speak - and this also adds considerably to the variety and vibe in the city in the escort regard. Much more consistency on "you get what you pay for". Much less lying in advertising for those who do (very little photoshop and even less fake pictures). Service levels are higher - e.g. DFK, MSOG etc. are almost universally the case for all encounters assuming the guy is somewhat familiar with the concepts of grooming and odor management. Finally, just an overall number of options - it seems in Vancouver area there may be five max good options at any one time that pique interest and then finding someone reliable who answers the phone (versus the BS of e-mail crap some guys actually seem to think is somehow acceptable) is another story. You seemingly always have dozens of options in Montreal.

In a nutshell, that are some of the main differences. I guess finally, though cannot expect all regions of Canada to be same, prices are much lower in Montreal too.

 

[Sporting]

Hilarious how comments get misconstrued. FWIW, I discovered this world 6-7 yrs ago thru a friend who used to post on CL something like "looking to spend intimacy time together, willing to help with the rent" around month end. Sometimes I snag someone who tickles my fancy and I see repeatedly. Currently I'm repeating with one who has is not active, but still comes out to see me when I ask her to because I make it pleasant enough for her that it doesn't seem like work. I'm twice their age, so there is no thought of it being any more than for the moment. Everyone wants to have fun, be loved, and to get off, men and women alike. That's the goal. How you stage it is significant.

 

[morementum]

Hilarious how comments get misconstrued. FWIW, I discovered this world 6-7 yrs ago thru a friend who used to post on CL something like "looking to spend intimacy time together, willing to help with the rent" around month end. Sometimes I snag someone who tickles my fancy and I see repeatedly. Currently I'm repeating with one who has is not active, but still comes out to see me when I ask her to because I make it pleasant enough for her that it doesn't seem like work. I'm twice their age, so there is no thought of it being any more than for the moment. Everyone wants to have fun, be loved, and to get off, men and women alike. That's the goal. How you stage it is significant.

Great positive contribution to the thread. Nice to see people who get it (a given topic) and contribute like that. I agree on timing as well and on picking the language. I have not had 6 or 7 years of experience but nice to hear this can work long term.

 

[papillion]

I am a relatively new transplant back to BC. I am at a stage in life where I work way too much but have all the things in place to easily retire/not have to work by the time I am 40. However the amount of work time and travel leave it impossible to be tied into a proper relationship plus, and who am I kidding, I like to fuck around. In Montreal there was so many options for escorts and the quality was very high for the most part. Here the options are much less and the quality is widely variable with a huge number lying about looks and age with the age thing being amazing in how many ancient escorts are here out west. If I wanted to fuck my aunt's or my mom's friends I sure as hell wouldn't be paying for it.

So, I started playing a few ads starting about six months ago on Craigslist and similar looking for a mutually beneficial casual relationship. The response was overwhelming and though you have to weed through some fake responses, obvious trolls and some truly hideous responses, I have found no fewer than four or five "gems" that are really non-pro and are seemingly very happy with our arrangement. No strings. No drama. Different arrangement in each case but it works out in all aspects. Without lots of details, the response from those I have arrangements with all say it works perfectly for their lives and is really not different to them than having a guy buy them dinner and have a little wrestle afterwards. For the price of that dinner, we skip the meal and that's that.

Not saying it is for every guy to try but I was amazed at the response I got. Lots of pictures sent and lots of very attractive, very nice (non-dramatic or with baggage for you to take on) and very into a good wrestle ever once in a while ladies out there. Ages typically well under 30 and at least half are either doing courses and working or doing the latter but not at the stage in their careers where they can fully make ends meet.

Everyone would do this differently, my own rules are always use their place and/or public place, only do contact through my special computer account/phone account, don't fish too close to the pond you live, retain no personal information on anyone other than their basic contact information, if I feel any emotional connection starting on either side of the fence the contact is deleted, never pay for services down the road and stay the hell away from any drama.

For what it is worth - this may explain my lack of reviews for a while as I am finding the escort pickings right now both slim and overpopulated with a bunch of older escorts who somehow have a following.

I've also had a lucky experience on CL, and we've been steady the last 1.5 yrs.

She was a mature student at UBC, I helped with the rent , expenses, groceries. The trust
built up until we dispensed with condoms (yeah!) and now things ate great.

 

[morementum]

tip: if you put an image on a web host, you can use tineye or google image search on that image.
Make sure album setting is "Public" or same.
Just sayin'.

OK, I'll bite. Why would you put an image on a web host? Are you warning ladies or ???. I don't think you understand the thread if you think a guy has to put his picture out there to find someone interested in a casual, mutually beneficial, relationship.

 

[morementum]

tip: if you put an image on a web host, you can use tineye or google image search on that image.
Make sure album setting is "Public" or same.
Just sayin'.

OK, I'll bite. Why would you put an image on a web host? Are you warning ladies or ???. I don't think you understand the thread if you think a guy has to put his picture out there to find someone interested in a casual, mutually beneficial, relationship.

 

[morementum]

I understand this thread but was being somewhat arcane.

What I meant was, if a woman responds to your CL m4w casual sex ad, and sends a pic, you can up load it to an image hosting site then use google image search or similar to see if the image gets any hits. i.e. to help determine if she's for real or not.

Oh, got it. I think the newspaper with a recent date using her cell phone works too. I don't have a problem with anyone not doing that when asked but can see your method being good too.