A new venture

[sinfulsydnee]

Gentlemen, and Ladies too of course, I just wanted to take a moment to inform you of a new venture that three of my colleagues and I have developed. It is an SP Co-op that is dedicated to providing you the highest standard of client services.

My partners and I have centralized some of the key tasks involved in our profession. From this point forward all of our bookings, advertising and correspondence will be done through one person. So if you are looking through ads or websites and notice that there are those of us whose phone numbers are the same, don't panic - we're not an agency!!!! Each woman in the co-op is fully independent and maintains her own work schedule - the only difference with us is that you will be speaking with me when you are booking an appointment regardless of which woman you are calling for.

If anything, you will find that the service you receive prior to your session will give you more convenience and less of a chance that your call or email will be missed. If you have any ideas or would like to provide feedback, we would love to hear from you!

 

[VANGO]

Hmmm...Sounds to me like a new agency

This smacks of a new agency starting in Winnipeg. Don't worry, I'm not here to knock anything, but am wondering if you will make it fair for the girls (unlike the 50-50 or worse most agencies have setup for payout). Will there be any book-on fees? What types of percentages do the girls have to pay out? Will there be reliable drivers for OC, and will IC be in a good area of town yet near the core of the city?

I hope you keep it better than fair...

 

[sinfulsydnee]

Excellent questions...

This smacks of a new agency starting in Winnipeg. Don't worry, I'm not here to knock anything, but am wondering if you will make it fair for the girls (unlike the 50-50 or worse most agencies have setup for payout). Will there be any book-on fees? What types of percentages do the girls have to pay out? Will there be reliable drivers for OC, and will IC be in a good area of town yet near the core of the city?

I hope you keep it better than fair...

I am pleased that you have asked these questions...here are your answers...

first of all...it is not an agency...at all...it is a co-op with an initial buy in that each of us has paid to cover our advertising and expenses such as a shared phone line, website maintenance, central booking calendar, general administration etc.

one of the key reasons that we have done this is to make it easier for us as well as to provide better service to our clients - there is approx 20% from each booking that goes back into administration and expenses which include our advertising - drivers are optional for the ladies - those that choose to use a driver contract their own and that is the same for IC's - the ladies each have their own or have set up a shared space arrangement between them...

There is no additional charge to the clients at all...rates are inclusive and no extra tipping is expected - having said that, should a client feel that he wants to tip a lady something extra, his generosity will be appreciated of course. Again, though, I would like to reiterate that additional tipping is not something that we feel is necessary. I hope this answers your questions. It's an interesting concept that looks like it's going to work well for us!

 

[SexyBoy]

Who are these other ladies?

Did you also use to work at EB?

 

[ladyluck]

one of the key reasons that we have done this is to make it easier for us as well as to provide better service to our clients - there is approx 20% from each booking that goes back into administration and expenses which include our advertising - drivers are optional for the ladies - those that choose to use a driver contract their own and that is the same for IC's - the ladies each have their own or have set up a shared space arrangement between them...

Some more quick questions. What is the buy in fee? When you say 20% from each session, how may I ask is this going to work? What the hell is administration? Are you administration?
Are the girls going to be paying their own ads?
You may have one girl that works more then the other's, how is that distributed evenly?
If your taking all of the calls for the girls, and doing their bookings, what if you book a client an SP does not want to see, from previous.
I being independent like to speak personally with a client to get a feel of him.
If I find them to ask to many questions, especially the ones that are already stated in my ad. I may get a bad vibe.
Every true indy is going to know what I'm talking about. Having a middle man takes away from having a gut instinct.
Website maintenance is free, as well as the calendar.

 

[voyageurX]

Imagine the possibilities: "membership privileges"

I am a member of the Red River Coop where I buy all my gas.
I wonder if this new Coop will be similar? ;->
Maybe you could offer "memberships" to your new Coop for your customers.

1) If I am a member do I get a discount everytime I use this service?
(I always have to remember my Coop number which is struggle for me).

2) At the end of the year I get a refund cheque from the Coop based on
how well they did last year and how much I spent with the Coop.
(although the hassle is I have to pay income tax on the refund).

3) Some of the yearly refund is with held back and you can claim a pension
from the Coop when you retire.
(hmmm this could add an interesting component, all your purchases build
up points which you could claim back for services when you retire).

Just thinking out loud here. ;->

Good luck in your new endeavor!

CHEERS

 

[sinfulsydnee]

More excellent questions!

Some more quick questions. What is the buy in fee? When you say 20% from each session, how may I ask is this going to work? What the hell is administration? Are you administration?
Are the girls going to be paying their own ads?
You may have one girl that works more then the other's, how is that distributed evenly?
If your taking all of the calls for the girls, and doing their bookings, what if you book a client an SP does not want to see, from previous.
I being independent like to speak personally with a client to get a feel of him.
If I find them to ask to many questions, especially the ones that are already stated in my ad. I may get a bad vibe.
Every true indy is going to know what I'm talking about. Having a middle man takes away from having a gut instinct.
Website maintenance is free as, well as the calendar.

Buy in Fee...contact me directly and I would be happy to tell you - I don't think it's appropriate to discuss actuals here

20% toward administration covers bookkeeping for each woman as well as preparation for income tax, advertising, market research and banner exchanges to increase traffic to each lady's website, website maintenance, etc.

Each lady has her ad and website paid for including updates and all creative - each lady has final approval over ads, website and photographs.

If one lady works more than another, she receives additional credit toward things like ads, new photos, supplies, etc...should she choose to leave the co-op anything extra she has put in will be returned to her.

If there is an issue with an SP and a client that I am not aware of, she will, of course have the option not to accept the booking...that is always an option for both the SP and the client - if there is no chemistry, why waste anyone's time? Should either decide it's just not going to work anytime within the first 10-15 minutes, then they call it a day and we all know for future reference that the client and that particular SP just didn't mesh...

Website maintenance is not free unless you are doing it yourself...particularly when it comes to driving traffic to your site...I know I spend up to 8 hours every 2 days researching appropriate banner exchanges, escort boards, advertising stats, etc...there is no sense in slapping anything on the sites - you wind up with useless traffic taking up your bandwidth...I know 2 of the ladies that I am working with simply don't have the time to do that research.

The calendar, while free, still requires someone to operate it...with us, it eliminates double or overbooking, particularly those of us that share an incall space. The other reason we like the idea of a shared calendar is that it's easier to book duo's...it seems duo's are very popular with clients right now and seeing that all of us are/will be doing duo's, it makes it easy to see who is available when...

I hope this answers your questions...if you have more, please feel free to post them.

 

[sinfulsydnee]

hmmm...now there's an idea!

I am a member of the Red River Coop where I buy all my gas.
I wonder if this new Coop will be similar? ;->
Maybe you could offer "memberships" to your new Coop for your customers.

1) If I am a member do I get a discount everytime I use this service?
(I always have to remember my Coop number which is struggle for me).

2) At the end of the year I get a refund cheque from the Coop based on
how well they did last year and how much I spent with the Coop.
(although the hassle is I have to pay income tax on the refund).

3) Some of the yearly refund is with held back and you can claim a pension
from the Coop when you retire.
(hmmm this could add an interesting component, all your purchases build
up points which you could claim back for services when you retire).

Just thinking out loud here. ;->

Good luck in your new endeavor!

CHEERS

you raise some interesting ideas...the only thing that concerns me is that we would not be able to offer you enough variety in your pooner purchasing ...lol...at the moment there are only 4 of us...we might bore you after a while!

 

[rubintugger]

I can understand the centralized phone service, I know there are way too many "tirekickers" out there, and that they make answering the phone a chore for many SPs. By cutting through that, and having a number of "options" answered in one call could make things easier. And I would hope that the central phone line will be 24 hours a day, allowing for easier contact, especially when I get a last minute oppor"poon"ity. Lately, none of the SP's I've called before noon have answered...

Unfortunately, every plus has its minus. I'm sure Syndee knows each of the girls intimately, and what she likes/dislikes. BUt sometimes the vibes we get on the initial phone call can set up the experience, or on the other hand, stop it from happening. This is a very personal business, and de-personalizing it will alienate some clients.

Having a "lead" person and sharing IC's is dangerous, remember Jesse's. Nuff said.

20% for answering calls seems a lot, personally. Advertising, research, etc all sound good, but 20%? I might suggest that those services might be better handled on a monthly fee basis. It was mentioned earlier, working more doesn't mean that you are using more of those services, so why should you pay a higher price. We're I to be consulted on this, I'd suggest you keep the "shared services" to the phone/booking, at a smaller rate, and offer the others services as "a la carte" for those that need them. And 20% is more worthwhile to avoid, some girls will invariably direct their better, regular clients to contact them directly to save the 20%. A lower cost might aleviate this.

A "buy in" of shares is necessary to provide initial working capital for phone lines, etc. And a draw of "salary" is necessary for the one manning the phones. This could be a flat monthly fee, or a base plus incentive package for those actuially doing the work. And in the true co-operative spirit, all members would be required to spend a minimum time on the phones without compensation, the balance being compensated for in an appropriate manner.

Both these things leave a profit, which will have to be split back out at some time. I might suggest using a similar method to the Red River Co-op, and keep track of member service fees paid, and split the profits annually based on a percentage of total contributions, retaining working capital and re-investing a little in share value.

Banking could pose a problem, you don't want to end up with the "Risky Business" money in a shoebox system. But then again, you don't want the feds watching you either.

On the other hand, you could set up a "legitimate" business, telemarketing. The girls could get paychecks, pay taxes, benefits (LTD, Dental, etc).

Were this a truly legal opportunity, I'd love to get involved. But the grey areas scare the bejesus out of me. While I have a head for business, I'd love to have a business for head...

Rubin
(Man, I have way too much free time, thinking of all this stuff..)

 

[ladyluck]

How are you Sydnee, going to make any of your own money if your busy with answering the phone and doing bookings, etc,etc, for your co-op?
If you are busy with a client, are you going to stop in mid orgasm to answer the phone?
I personally think you should leave these girls be and maintain and advertise your own work. It is sounding like an Escort agency (madam). No matter how you want to talk around it.
I still didn't get some of the answers to my questions.

 

[ladyluck]

Very well said Rubin.

 

[SexyBoy]

This isn't rocket science. It sounds too difficult. Just remember K.i.s.s.

There have been plenty of girls on EC that have made a good living.

From what I understand you are basically going to do all the stuff that these other girls do not wish or know how to do. I can see it working out but all I am reading here is justification for the work that is needed.

It doesn't matter how you sugar coat it.

All you need is attractive girls with great attitudes and exceptional service.

I think there are issues involved.

1. If I am right you have some very young and attractive girls that need guidance.
2. Some of these girls probably need transportation for outcalls.
3. These girls probably also need a nice place for in calls. (Highly recommended)
4. Advertising costs are not too expensive EC/Perb is all you really need. You can have your own website if you wish but in truth no one is really going to find it unless they already know about that site from another site. The papers are a good bet also. I would also recommend discounts for starting a customer base.
5. It would be a good idea to try to cater to all of any major demands from the general customer base and spread out from there. I can tell you one area a lot of girls go wrong in is the poor selection of sexy outfits. Another is hygiene, exercise, and just being meticulous in their appearance. If the girl is lazy and not flexible she is just awful sexually. A girl cannot get by on her appearance alone.


I have dated a few SP's before and the best ones normally cannot handle the demand. At this point they have to raise their price. Most girls that have potential raise their price before they even have a customer base. By then it is too late. Of course these are girls from EB normally who are just starting into the profession.

Everyone needs money I get that. You have a chance to make it work and get paid for it. You are always going to need a mans perspective though and you can get that from your customer base.

For the record if the % is 20% on $200 that would be $40 per shot to the Agency/CO-OP To be honest that is better then what most girls make at most MP. It is also the going rate so no one needs to complain. I already have a few girls in mind that are going to be doing this and if I am right they are very attractive. They would not be doing this without the help.

I still think that amount should be used just for the following
1. advertising on perb/EC
2. Transportation.
3. Helping the girls get credit rating so they can get apartments/loans/cars of their own. By having the company pay wages.
4. A website for the use of.
A. Feedback
B. Make a paid section for photos/videos.
C. Offer discounts to good customers.
D. Other services Phone/web cam etc.
5. A nice in call location loaded with candles, a walk in shower, soft music, flat screen and dvd player, big jaccuzzi, and a nice bed. Obviously you could have more then one room. Kerry and Cory have a decent location. So does Savannah.



Just my 2 cents.

 

[sinfulsydnee]

thank you all so much

You have all brought forward excellent questions and ideas.

Ladyluck, I'm not sure which questions have not been answered but bi all means contact me directly and I would be happy to provide more detailed answers - there are some issues I feel uncomfortable giving details about in this forum. As for leaving girls be, No one is being forced to join us, and anyone can leave at anytime - we're not Hotel California ...regarding how I am going to make my own income, I thank you for you concern, but really it's not necessary.

Rubin - should a client insist on speaking directly to a particular SP, the call would be returned bi the SP - in that situation, it would be the same as leaving a voicemail except you would actually get to speak to a person first. Our intention is not to de-personalize the service but to make it more personal. The ability to actually have someone talk to virtually every client gives the client a chance to ask questions, get schedules for future appointments, find out about other sp's if the lady he's calling about is busy, etc.

Which brings us to the point about 24 hour service. Each lady sets up her own work schedule - if someone wants to be on call 24 hours, the phone will be answered, however, at this time, none of us are working after midnite without prior arrangement.

At any time, should a lady feel that they are not benefitting from our set up and wish to have their clients contact them directly, that would be their choice and we would not try and dissuade them from doing so...as well, most of the services we are providing would be available on an "a la carte" basis should an SP want only certain things - i.e. website creative, advertising services etc. but then they wouldn't be part of the co-op, they would simply be contracting services in which case any profit from the sale of such services would be distributed back to the "co-op members" at year end. At this point, I would prefer not to discuss banking, and our financial processes online - but again feel free to contact me for more details if you like. I can say though Rubin...you are right on target with your concept...and who knows, we may want to invite you to consult

Sexyboy - you have some great ideas - some of which are goals in the long term plan. As for where we advertise, you are correct - some places are much better than others and that has been taken into consideration - we are definitely not just throwing money at various advertising media and hoping for the best...there is a definite method to our madness...in addition, because the advertising is not being paid for individually, any new advertising venues would be decided by the group on a consensus basis.

I'm not sure how I can more clearly state this but I will say again, we are NOT an agency, we don't want to be an agency...we do, however, want to provide high standards and maintain fair practices for both SP's and clients.

thank you all and please don't hesitate to contact me directly for more information.

 

[sinfulsydnee]

airmiles???

AIRMILES! YA gotta offer AIRMILES!

While I don't know if airmiles are realistic, perhaps we should consider some kind of loyaltly program...I will bring it up to the ladies and see where it goes...

you guys are full of great ideas thanks!!

 

[adidas]

20% buy in!!!

holy crap, macroroni, BATMAN!!!

say if you have 4-5 SPs in the co-op.

if a SP #1 have 4 clients a week, 16 per month, at $220/hr (on average nowdays) thats $3520/month and $42K/yr....20% of that is almost $8,500.

Member #2 does $30K/yr thatz another $6000
Member #3 does $50K/yr thatz another $10,000
Member #4 does $40K/yr thatz another $8,000
Member #5 does $40K/yr thatz another $8,000

thatz over $40K per yr generated.

thatz a very nice Salary for just...

bookkeeping for each woman as well as preparation for income tax, advertising, market research and banner exchanges to increase traffic to each lady's website, website maintenance, etc.

hey, why work when you can be the CEO of a co-op making $40K/yr just doin admin for SPs.

im starting my own SP co-op today......my buy-in is only 19%.

 

[sinfulsydnee]

wow! no kidding - although not quite...

holy crap, macroroni, BATMAN!!!

say if you have 4-5 SPs in the co-op.

if a SP #1 have 4 clients a week, 16 per month, at $220/hr (on average nowdays) thats $3520/month and $42K/yr....20% of that is almost $8,500.

Member #2 does $30K/yr thatz another $6000
Member #3 does $50K/yr thatz another $10,000
Member #4 does $40K/yr thatz another $8,000
Member #5 does $40K/yr thatz another $8,000

thatz over $40K per yr generated.

thatz a very nice Salary for just...


hey, why work when you can be the CEO of a co-op making $40K/yr just doin admin for SPs.

im starting my own SP co-op today......my buy-in is only 19%.

that does look good on paper! I wish it were the case however you neglected to subtract the expenses and realize that the profit is distributed back to the sp's - perhaps someday we'll be busy enough to earn that kind of income...that sure would keep my shoe addiction satisfied...for a little while anyway

 

[bonger]

Who are the 4 girls in your co-op at the moment?
BTW, I think the co-op is a great idea. Small businesses are doing that all the time, sharing one receptionist, boardroom, phones etc.

 

[sinfulsydnee]

thanks bonger

Who are the 4 girls in your co-op at the moment?
BTW, I think the co-op is a great idea. Small businesses are doing that all the time, sharing one receptionist, boardroom, phones etc.

you have to contact me directly for that info bonger...the other ladies are not currently advertising on perb and I don't want to get anyone in trouble...

 

[Mchatte]

Just want everyone to relax a bit and not be quite so paranoid. I don't really think there is anything to worry about. I have recently had the extreme pleasure of a duo with Sydnee & Elizabeth and will soon post a review.

It is all that they advertise and more. My legs are still spaghetti like. Would that mean I now have 3 limp noodles? Notice my puppy's tail is wagging a little quicker now?

Good luck in your enterprise Syd and you can count me in. I would be curious to see who the 4th SP is although I think you know who I will be seeing next.

For the doubters, give it a try. I certainly did not see anything to indicate this was an agency. The fee and the service and the ladies were awesome.

M

 

[sinfulsydnee]

rapid tail movement

Just want everyone to relax a bit and not be quite so paranoid. I don't really think there is anything to worry about. I have recently had the extreme pleasure of a duo with Sydnee & Elizabeth and will soon post a review.

It is all that they advertise and more. My legs are still spaghetti like. Would that mean I now have 3 limp noodles? Notice my puppy's tail is wagging a little quicker now?

Good luck in your enterprise Syd and you can count me in. I would be curious to see who the 4th SP is although I think you know who I will be seeing next.

For the doubters, give it a try. I certainly did not see anything to indicate this was an agency. The fee and the service and the ladies were awesome.

M

thanks mchatte...I'm pretty sure I do know who you will be seeing next...oh and btw, I'm very relaxed!