a hip-hop conundrum

[ghostie]

I've been listening to this Jadakiss album, and there is this song that has this very "80s" sample in it. I've been trying to figure this out and I think it's the song "I Keep Forgetting" by Michael McDonald. Does anyone know for sure? I've been trying to figure this out on google for about a week now

The Jadakiss song is called "Kiss is Spittin'" from the "Kiss tha Game Goodbye" album. The chorus goes like this. The part in the brackets is a woman's voice, the other part is Nate Dogg:

(When 'Kiss, is spittin) They don't love you no more
(When 'Kiss, is spittin) Things will never be the same a-gain
(When 'Kiss, is spittin) Why they hatin on you
[Jada] It's just like that, ha! (When 'Kiss, is spittin)

The Michael McDonald song is:

I keep forgettin we're not in love anymore
I keep forgettin things will never be the same again
I keep forgettin how you made that so clear
I keep forgettin every time that you are near

O.k., I guess when I put them side-by that pretty much settles it.

As an aside... does anyone else on here like rap? Seems like whenever the topic of fav music comes up, people mostly like classic rock.

 

[DJLAW]

i like rap but mostly old rap. the only "new" rappers that i like are ludacris and eminem. other than that, old school all the way!

if you look in the liner notes there is probably some mention of who wrote the song or it may even say "contains sample of...." that should help your search.

 

[smackyo]

I've been listening to this Jadakiss album, and there is this song that has this very "80s" sample in it. I've been trying to figure this out and I think it's the song "I Keep Forgetting" by Michael McDonald. Does anyone know for sure? I've been trying to figure this out on google for about a week now

The Jadakiss song is called "Kiss is Spittin'" from the "Kiss tha Game Goodbye" album. The chorus goes like this. The part in the brackets is a woman's voice, the other part is Nate Dogg:

(When 'Kiss, is spittin) They don't love you no more
(When 'Kiss, is spittin) Things will never be the same a-gain
(When 'Kiss, is spittin) Why they hatin on you
[Jada] It's just like that, ha! (When 'Kiss, is spittin)

The Michael McDonald song is:

I keep forgettin we're not in love anymore
I keep forgettin things will never be the same again
I keep forgettin how you made that so clear
I keep forgettin every time that you are near

O.k., I guess when I put them side-by that pretty much settles it.

As an aside... does anyone else on here like rap? Seems like whenever the topic of fav music comes up, people mostly like classic rock.

yeah i do too. hip hop used to be my end all and be all of music. now that being said i can hardly stand anything new that comes out with exception of a few underground groups. i listen to a lot of reggae now and yes classic rock. i have quite an extensive 80's collection. i'll try to search it and get back to ya.

 

[smackyo]

yep you are right about that sample. its "i keep forgettin" by michael mcdonald. they use it as the composition to the song regulate by warren g as well. which probibly why they have nate dogg singin back up.

 

[ghostie]

yep you are right about that sample. its "i keep forgettin" by michael mcdonald. they use it as the composition to the song regulate by warren g as well. which probibly why they have nate dogg singin back up.

Good detective work Smacko. Thanks for that.

For the first few days that this was bugging me, I was looking for a song called "Things will never be the same again", which got me all off track.

These guys like Michael McDonald must make a killing on this stuff. Him and Burt Bacharach. And whoever owns the rights to those creepy piano riffs that every New York act seems to use.

I want to hear this new Burt Bacharach album, supposedly he launched his own hip-hop type album... and Dr. Dre is on there and a bunch of other people. Very weird. But then again, "mashing" sounded lame at first too.

 

[LonelyGhost]

the last rap song i actually like was 'bust a move' ... its been downhill ever since.

i was actually wondering recently what happened to 'black' music after watching 'Ray' ... it used to be that blacks were the leading edge of everything ... great lyrics, rhythms, drums, guitars, bass, and brass ...

now it all sounds the same and all they have to say is fuck this and fuck that ... not an ounce of creativity in the whole lot of them.

i am one of those classic rock dinosaurs, but then Mozart and a few others have also stood the test of time ...

i see rap following disco down the sewer one day ...

 

[smackyo]

the last rap song i actually like was 'bust a move' ... its been downhill ever since.

i was actually wondering recently what happened to 'black' music after watching 'Ray' ... it used to be that blacks were the leading edge of everything ... great lyrics, rhythms, drums, guitars, bass, and brass ...

now it all sounds the same and all they have to say is fuck this and fuck that ... not an ounce of creativity in the whole lot of them.

i am one of those classic rock dinosaurs, but then Mozart and a few others have also stood the test of time ...

i see rap following disco down the sewer one day ...

yeah unfortunately i think the days of ray charles, marvin gaye and curtis mayfield are gone forever, replaced by a bunch of bullshit. there is still good hip hop out there to be heard. just have to look a little harder. a good place to start is not to listen to the radio.

 

[ghostie]

i was actually wondering recently what happened to 'black' music after watching 'Ray' ... it used to be that blacks were the leading edge of everything ... great lyrics, rhythms, drums, guitars, bass, and brass ...

That's interesting... I would argue that, in terms of North American pop culture, Blacks are at the forefront of everything. If anything it is greater now than in the 1950s period depicted in Ray. In those days black music only a had a small impact, even with Elvis on the scene, it didn't really creep into White suburban life. It was basically just Black music sung on the radio by White singers. Black artisits like Ray Charles had little impact on White American culture until the 1970s.

Nowadays, Black music (rap, R&B and "Black pop" of the Beyonce variety) has just about eaten up and deveoured North American pop culture in it's entirety. From Top 40 radio, to music video channels, stadium tours, video games, clothing lines, CD sales, music downloads, car culture, language, dress..... African American culture is the beginning and end of what is cool for anyone under 30 (and there is a negative side to this ongoing "cultural expropriation", but that is a different topic altogether)

And in terms of the music, some of it is repetitive and all that... but that goes for all music. And some it, when you start to get into it, is just fucking brilliant. Some of these guys have as much talent for what they are doing as any other artist working in any other medium. It is a different kind of art to be sure... it's like computer graphics versus classical oil paintings... if you are familiar with only oil painting, you see making art on a computer as easy and fake. Then if you try it yourself, and compare your results to those that are really good at it, you see how much talent is really involved. It's like Canadian rap artist K-OS has said, people that criticize rap (or write reviews of rap albums for magazines, etc.) should try it some time. It gives you a whole different perspective on the art form.

As a youngster I went through all of the "cutting edge" styles of music: metal in it's increasingly harsh forms until it sort of peaked out in the early 1990s and then began to fuse with the musical forms that sort grew up with it - rap and punk. I was always listening to the far out there shit. These days I pretty much just listen to hip hop. Why? It's what rock and roll was to the late 1960's early 70's. It's the music that matters. It's sort of unfortunate that music has become much more racialized than at any time since the civil rights movement.. but that's the way it has panned out.