8 dead in 3 shootings at Atlanta area massage parlours.

[Tati]

@BigRawd I think you're a nice person, who has good intentions. I just really hope for your sake you don't ever quit your day job to become a lawyer, journalist, influencer, or anyone who's allowed to share their personal opinions which might be publicized and scrutinized. You will get dragged.

That being said, I still think you have some great qualities, a good heart and not a malicious bone in your body. 😘

 

[Lurker23]

This is also a mass shooting from a few days ago. 19 people shot. Absolutely no national coverage. Because they are black, and this happens almost every day, and doesn't fit the narrative?

18 shot, 1 killed following fight between multiple motorcycle clubs on Cleveland’s East Side - cleveland.com

And yes, black bikers. They are common in the US.

(1) Lyfers Mc | Facebook

 

[The Caffeinated Gent]

@BigRawd I think you're a nice person, who has good intentions. I just really hope for your sake you don't ever quit your day job to become a lawyer, journalist, influencer, or anyone who's allowed to share their personal opinions which might be publicized and scrutinized. You will get dragged.

That being said, I still think you have some great qualities, a good heart and not a malicious bone in your body. 😘

Thank you for your kind words. I am not one to engage in debates because I enjoy arguing with other people. Of course I wish the world was a better place, where people understood and protected each other, instead of hating on each other. But I think we have all learned how ugly the society actually is since covid gone down, and I simply want the voices of the unheard to be heard. Which in this case is the Asian community.

I was being accused of being racist because I think this was a hate crime against Asians. I never said anything anti-Black or pro-white supremacy. I simply said the shooting crime was wrong, and I think it was racially motivated. But I never said it was because the shooter was of a certain race. I said he shot many Asians, that seemed to be racially motivated, regardless if the shooter was white, black, or any other race. I still don't understand how does treating this crime as a hate crime against Asians make me racist?

My ultimate point is, everyone can be racist, no matter what race you are. And you're right, I do feel like many of you are intentionally arguing with me because you enjoy seeing me being dragged into your arguments. Well, that's not why I said what I said in the first place. I wanted people to recognize racism against Asians. That this shooting doesn't seem like an isolated incident to me. If I said: "Okay, this shooting was not racially motivated." Does that mean all of you who are against my opinions now will also overlook racism against Asians that in fact does exist?

Ultimately, I said what I said, hoping that people will recognize the racism and start acting to prevent similar tragedy from happening again in the future. If you take my opinion as that I am racist against white people or any other racial group, then you misunderstood my intentions. I said what I said to unite, not divide people. So if any of you misread my intentions behind my comments, that I was trying to start another race war, then feel free to disregard my comments, and that's why I didn't want to continue arguing with some of you, because you have clearly misunderstood my intentions by calling me a racist.

 

[g eazy]

Wow such a classic perb shitstorm of a thread. Better get in before it gets locked! Missed so much but can't reply to everything so I'll try to summarize...

1) Racism doesn't mean you have to actively hate a race. There are people saying things like "he could have taken his money elsewhere" or "that guy wouldn't have married an Asian if he was racist against Asians", etc... I don't think these people understand what racism means. Ignorance isn't an excuse for racism. Take an extreme example, if some guy wore a Native Indian headpiece to shoot a porno and thinks to himself "I had a great time at this shoot and the headpiece made it even better!", is it okay for him to be completely ignorant of the cultural importance of these headpieces? Are Native Indians expected to suck it up because the guy made a great porno and he enjoyed?
2) Only the shooter will understand the true intention, but regardless of his intention it would be disingenuous to completely disregard any of the arguments raised (gun control, race, religion, etc.). People are quick to jump to a single cause because it's an easy media cop out and it gets people (evident here at the very least) talking. Imagine how much lamer it would be for media to say "I'm 40% certain that the reason for the attack was 30% religion, 35% sex addict, 15% race, 10% gun control and 10% bad day". People would be saying "you might as well have not have said anything".
3) "White people bad!" narrative is insane. Miss Hunter would cry herself to sleep reading posts like this.
4) Don't trust data blindly. The story matters. Data is easily manipulated to tell the story that an author wants to tell. The story behind the black vs white shootings would appear to me as, who are the victims? A mass shooting between black gangs might not register on the radar because (for better or for worse) society doesn't care, but if a white man shoots innocent strangers? Good luck telling society not to care. The black shootings would appear to me as "you aren't likely to be a victim" while the white shootings ring closer to home because they could be anyone. Now I haven't done any research so it very well may be confirmation bias, but more than establishing a viewpoint I just want to get across that the arguing strictly about data is very pointless without the story it paints. If anyone here is a sports data analytics nerd, they'll understand this reasoning to a tee.

 

[g eazy]

Thank you for your kind words. I am not one to engage in debates because I enjoy arguing with other people. Of course I wish the world was a better place, where people understood and protected each other, instead of hating on each other. But I think we have all learned how ugly the society actually is since covid gone down, and I simply want the voices of the unheard to be heard. Which in this case is the Asian community.

I was being accused of being racist because I think this was a hate crime against Asians. I never said anything anti-Black or pro-white supremacy. I simply said the shooting crime was wrong, and I think it was racially motivated. But I never said it was because the shooter was of a certain race. I said he shot many Asians, that seemed to be racially motivated, regardless if the shooter was white, black, or any other race. I still don't understand how does treating this crime as a hate crime against Asians make me racist?

My ultimate point is, everyone can be racist, no matter what race you are. And you're right, I do feel like many of you are intentionally arguing with me because you enjoy seeing me being dragged into your arguments. Well, that's not why I said what I said in the first place. I wanted people to recognize racism against Asians. That this shooting doesn't seem like an isolated incident to me. If I said: "Okay, this shooting was not racially motivated." Does that mean all of you who are against my opinions now will also overlook racism against Asians that in fact does exist?

Ultimately, I said what I said, hoping that people will recognize the racism and start acting to prevent similar tragedy from happening again in the future. If you take my opinion as that I am racist against white people or any other racial group, then you misunderstood my intentions. I said what I said to unite, not divide people. So if any of you misread my intentions behind my comments, that I was trying to start another race war, then feel free to disregard my comments, and that's why I didn't want to continue arguing with some of you, because you have clearly misunderstood my intentions by calling me a racist.

You're going to be accused of much worse, and more often that not you won't be able to change someone's mind.. scientifically speaking people tend to be more open-minded when they're younger and gradually lose that as they grow older, but I digress.

There's nothing wrong with "losing" an argument, that means you'll have learned something, which is more than any of the guys that can't admit they're wrong can do. Timing matters, of course, but having recognition of when you are wrong and being able to accept it is very mature.

 

[Lurker23]

4) Don't trust data blindly. The story matters. Data is easily manipulated to tell the story that an author wants to tell. The story behind the black vs white shootings would appear to me as, who are the victims? A mass shooting between black gangs might not register on the radar because (for better or for worse) society doesn't care, but if a white man shoots innocent strangers? Good luck telling society not to care. The black shootings would appear to me as "you aren't likely to be a victim" while the white shootings ring closer to home because they could be anyone. Now I haven't done any research so it very well may be confirmation bias, but more than establishing a viewpoint I just want to get across that the arguing strictly about data is very pointless without the story it paints. If anyone here is a sports data analytics nerd, they'll understand this reasoning to a tee.

Generally speaking, blacks shoot black people. Sometimes, like when the 2 blacks shot up the Trenton Arts Fair there could be mixture of races there, killing 2 and wounding 22. Spraying bullets everywhere and wounding numerous people is the hallmark of many of these type of shootings. And I'm not certain why it would matter, do you understand how many black kids have lost their lives over these types of shootings?

But the data itself is perfectly accurate, and it tells a different story the BS the media is trying to push. And the media is in fact pushing the "White people bad!" BS. Hourly. Every day, and it's in governments, schools, the court system, and employment.

The New York Times did an in depth study a few years back. From memory, of the 358 mass shootings identified in 2016, 75% of them were committed by blacks. That is a much different picture than the mainstream media (and our government) is constantly trying to create, and you have to wonder why.

A Drumbeat of Multiple Shootings, but America Isn’t Listening - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

 

[g eazy]

Generally speaking, blacks shoot black people. Sometimes, like when the 2 blacks shot up the Trenton Arts Fair there could be mixture of races there, killing 2 and wounding 22. Spraying bullets everywhere and wounding numerous people is the hallmark of many of these type of shootings. And I'm not certain why it would matter, do you understand how many black kids have lost their lives over these types of shootings?

But the data itself is perfectly accurate, and it tells a different story the BS the media is trying to push. And the media is in fact pushing the "White people bad!" BS. Hourly. Every day, and it's in governments, schools, the court system, and employment.

The New York Times did an in depth study a few years back. From memory, of the 358 mass shootings identified in 2016, 75% of them were committed by blacks. That is a much different picture than the mainstream media (and our government) is constantly trying to create, and you have to wonder why.

A Drumbeat of Multiple Shootings, but America Isn’t Listening - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

It would appear to me that you read my post, understood a part of it, but decided to ignore it anyway.

I did state that the reason why I suspected the black shootings were not gaining any traction for better or for worse. Nowhere did I say it why it should or shouldn't matter that black lives were being lost to black shootings.

While the media is biased, they tell stories that people can relate to. If I'm to compare a black gang shootout with eight deaths that happened at 3 am in the morning vs a school shooting with four deaths in broad daylight, what do you think people will relate more to? I will speak for myself: I think of what could happen to my nieces and nephews as they innocently go to school. Unfortunately, on instinct I don't think much of gang shooting. I don't know many gang members, not am I involved with gang-related activity, and few to none of my friends and family as well. This addresses what the "fake news" is reporting, but obviously I have no say as to why the lives of these black victims are worth any different than those in school shootings. "Fake news" reports what people want to hear, and what people want to hear is what things could affect them.

I don't think the media (though it's difficult to generalize this) is necessarily pushing the "white male bad!" narrative but it gets taken to the extreme by the far left. Having said that, it is difficult for those in a position of privilege to truly understand their privilege because they had no role in attaining it (it's literally in the meaning of the word: the benefit is granted, not earned). They didn't do anything wrong and have no idea why they should give an inch. I don't have a good answer for this beyond having compassion, but it's a lot easier said than done. Reconciliation is one helluva difficult topic to tackle... but I digress again...

Just claiming that "the data is perfectly accurate" again, ignoring the points I stated. Why is 3 deaths the qualifier for a mass shooting? Why not 4, 6, or 12? What would the data look like then? What if someone was incapacitated to the point of not being able to function as a human, why is that not just as bad as a death? Why is it just gun shooting? Why isn't death by framing hammer just as important if someone could just likely commit these murders with that? You can probably see where I'm going with this, and that is not to say anything of how data is visually (mis)represented often these days. It is often difficult to come to a common agreement to qualifiers because it's more art than science (funny huh, for data to be more art than science) so that is why the data must tell a story that makes sense and vice versa.

 

[Lurker23]

I don't think the media (though it's difficult to generalize this) is necessarily pushing the "white male bad!"

Well then, there is the problem, isn't it?

 

[Lurker23]

This is too easy.

https://newsone.com/4115727/boulder-shooting-suspect-white-male/

Well, it seems they identified the ARAB who committed the murders.

His name is Ahmad Alyssa, and you are a little Hate Whitey racist creep.

 

[johnnydepth]

Yup. Sure looks black to me.

 

[Lurker23]

Yup. Sure looks black to me.

Once again, the racist poster who thinks he can "do simple math" shows up, without even a hint of embarrassment.

You do realize others can read your previous posts about how this was a "White guy", and how white people are "fucked up"?

And now that this guy has been identified as a non white Arab who murdered 10 white people, do you think the media will start bawling about racism towards whites, as they did 87 times per day about Asians?

 

[Cock Throppled]

This is too easy.

https://newsone.com/4115727/boulder-shooting-suspect-white-male/

This just shows what an anti-white racist you seem to be, as well as full of BS.

You automatically said, unequivocally that it was a white male, before even knowing the facts, then when it's shown to be a Middle Eastern man, continue to insist he is white. I suppose you automatically assume he's a Trump supporter and Christian NRA member, too.

The world doesn't need any more racists, but you seem to be determined to be as racist as possible with your assumptions and accusations that are inevitably incorrect.

 

[johnnydepth]

 

[Cock Throppled]

Yeah, black mass shooting tend to be drug/gang related.

White boys have a monopoly on the shootings that result in a large number of dead strangers.

Yeah, so that makes the killings okay, because they're just black gang bangers and drug related.

How racist can you get?

 

[Lurker23]

Yeah, so that makes the killings okay, because they're just black gang bangers and drug related.

How racist can you get?

Moreover, that is not even true. The whole thing about "disrespect" is a huge issue in the black community, and at let-out fights, parties etc which are often the site for mass shootings, it's "disrespect" that caused the perps to shoot at one another, not gangs or drugs.

2 blacks shot each other over who has the better recipe for Kool-aid a few years ago. I kid you not.

And further toi that, if you look at stranger mass shootings you have no further to look than Omar Mateen Seung-Hui Cho and dozens of others

 

[Lurker23]

Do you even understand what the word irony means, there, math professor? Or to use your words, are you simply "too nuts"?

 

[rubintugger]

Wow, this devolved quickly.

The term "mass shooting" that is being used is far too ambiguous. If you talk purely about gun incidents involving the deaths of 6 or more innocent people, where do your stats for race end up?

There is a huge difference between a gunfight with handguns between factions, and a guy with an AR15 blasting away in a public place.

So, sure, run your mouth claiming black people perform the most mass shootings. Choose a stat that favors your point.

Sad thing is, the most damage to innocent civilians is done by troubled white men with easy access to weapons of mass destruction.

Black on black crime, indigenous on indigenous crime, these are tragic and unfortunate parts of society, and their statistics do need to be counted and addressed. Trying to use those issues to downplay the very real issue of actual mass death incidents purported by troubled white men is ludicrous.

Sure, guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people. Restricting guns from law abiding citizens is a shield the gun lobby uses to allow gun companies to sell willy nilly. Background checks are not the answer, but they are mitigation. Waiting periods are not the answer, but they are mitigation. Banning large capacity magazines and assault type rifles that have no reason for existing other than mass murder is not the answer, but it would mitigate the issue.

There is no one answer that ends the threat today. The sheer number of weapons in circulation makes mitigation of any type a drop in the bucket. This is a long haul isse, but the most important step will be the first step, whatever that is.

 

[Lurker23]

Wow, this devolved quickly.

The term "mass shooting" that is being used is far too ambiguous. If you talk purely about gun incidents involving the deaths of 6 or more innocent people, where do your stats for race end up?

There is a huge difference between a gunfight with handguns between factions, and a guy with an AR15 blasting away in a public place.

So, sure, run your mouth claiming black people perform the most mass shootings. Choose a stat that favors your point.

Sad thing is, the most damage to innocent civilians is done by troubled white men with easy access to weapons of mass destruction.

Black on black crime, indigenous on indigenous crime, these are tragic and unfortunate parts of society, and their statistics do need to be counted and addressed. Trying to use those issues to downplay the very real issue of actual mass death incidents purported by troubled white men is ludicrous.

Sure, guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people. Restricting guns from law abiding citizens is a shield the gun lobby uses to allow gun companies to sell willy nilly. Background checks are not the answer, but they are mitigation. Waiting periods are not the answer, but they are mitigation. Banning large capacity magazines and assault type rifles that have no reason for existing other than mass murder is not the answer, but it would mitigate the issue.

There is no one answer that ends the threat today. The sheer number of weapons in circulation makes mitigation of any type a drop in the bucket. This is a long haul isse, but the most important step will be the first step, whatever that is.

First, what on earth makes you think blacks don't use "an AR15 blasting away in a public place"? They are absolutely leaders in this. Which is why you often read about 10 or more injured, 2 killed when it comes to black mass shootings.

[QUOTE Sad thing is, the most damage to innocent civilians is done by troubled white men with easy access to weapons of mass destruction. [/END QUOTE]

That is an absolute lie. Omar Mateen, (Black) 52 dead, Seung-Hui Cho, 32 dead (Asian, murdered white people) Nicholas Cruz 17 dead (Hispanic) Nidal Hassan, Arab (17 dead, mostly white) Saheed Farook Pakistani (14 dead, mostly white) Aaron Alexis, black 14 dead, Jiverly Antares Wong , Chinese 14 dead (mostly white) Kwan Fai "Willie" Mak, Wai-Chiu "Tony" Ng, and Benjamin Ng (14 dead) DeWayne Craddock , Black Chris Harper Black 9 people, etc.

You illustrate the point perfectly. As in this thread, the media try to blame these things on white people. To the cheers of some of those of lower intelligence, and refer to this thread for a few examples. Mass shootings, as the New York Times and other researchers clearly demonstrate, is a black thing. As a percentage of the population, white mass shooters are vanishingly small.

And no one "downplays" anything, except people like you who claim "most damage to innocent civilians is done by troubled white men with easy access to weapons of mass destruction". You are either confused, brainwashed by the media, or a liar.[/QUOTE]

 

[johnnydepth]

 

[Tati]

Someone just posted this on another site and while I think it's awful, it's also appropriate for this thread.