8 dead in 3 shootings at Atlanta area massage parlours.

[appleomac]

But I was talking about the motive, what motivated him to do the shooting. Which was racially motivated, because, one, like you said, massage parlours is a place where Asian women workers account for the majority, that's why he chose it for the shooting, and of course there were women of other ethnicity working there, not discounting them, had their lives taken too, unfortunately. Two, all massage parlours he went to were Asian owned businesses. That means he targeted those businesses.

I have expressed myself clear enough, and I have noticed you are exhibiting the classic sign of someone picking up a fight. They refuse to listen to the logic in other's arguments

In criticizing/accusing other's of not listening to your "logic" you are failing to even consider the fallacy in your own logic. What you are doing is merely speculating on the shooter's motivation - and using stats or certain "things" (what race of person owned the business) as evidence to support your speculative conclusion.

The shooter obviously targeted the massage spa's that he targeted. But there is a difference (which you don't seem to understand) between targeting a massage spa that happens to be owned by an Asian vs targeting a massage spa because it is Asian owned. Again, you either don't know the difference or you don't think there is a difference - either way, that is a major flaw in your own logic. Because there is a difference, and I don't think it's been determined which was the case. Ergo, you are merely speculating.

Here's a little thought experiment for you since you are the one implying and expressly stating that somehow which race of person whom owns what or which proportion of the population of what geographic location is what determines if someone is racist or not....

1) If a caucasian person murdered 8 massage spa workers (6 of which happened to be "Asian) in the city of Tokyo (where demographically speaking over 90+% of Tokyo's population is "Asian"), would you still be calling it a racist act? Since you previously stated that since Asians only make up 4% of Georgia's population as "evidence" that the Atlanta shooting was an act of racism, what arbitrary % threshold needs to be met for it not to be an act of racism?

2) If my home is burglarized, and I am in fact a person of colour, was my home burglarized and I happen to be a person of colour or was my home burglarized because I am a person of colour? Is there even enough evidence to make such a determination? And most importantly, do you even know the difference?

 

[Tati]

2) If my home is burglarized, and I am in fact a person of colour, was my home burglarized and I happen to be a person of colour or was my home burglarized because I am a person of colour? Is there even enough evidence to make such a determination? And most importantly, do you even know the difference?

It obviously happened because you're a POC. Why else would your home be targeted? Certainly not because you can see all the easily accessible valuables through your floor-to-ceiling windows which always have the blinds kept open...

 

[appleomac]

It obviously happened because you're a POC. Why else would your home be targeted? Certainly not because you can see all the easily accessible valuables through your floor-to-ceiling windows which always have the blinds kept open...

Why is anyone's home burglarized? Maybe they saw my second car in the carport, which is a Porsche. Maybe I live in a "high income" neighbourhood. Maybe all my neighbours have "protected by XYZ alarm co." signage and I don't. Why do you ASSUME, that the burglar even knew what colour my skin is? More importantly, given the information that was provided in my original question, how could anyone even come to the reasonable conclusion (i.e. a conclusion supported with evidence) that I was targeted because the colour of my skin?

 

[Tati]

Wait - is the burglar Caucasian? Have we even found a suspect in this case? Were you known to the suspect? I have so many questions.

 

[The Caffeinated Gent]

@appleomac i am just going to answer your question: Yes, I do know the difference. And I accept that there is a flaw in my argument.

@Tati just when I was about to have a respectful conversation with you. You started acting sarcastic. So I am not going to continue this conversation at all. As in I am exiting this thread after this comment post.

I do agree that there's more than one causes that resulted in the shooting. The crime itself is horrific, and just because someone is racist, it doesn't mean that they are going to buy a gun and start shooting people. So I agree that there's other causes, religious guilt, (which I personally find it very odd because this is perhaps the first time I heard about religious guilt related to Christianity, it happens with Islam, but Christianity?) mental health, but I am not discounting racism as one of the causes/motive of the crime. For now, I admit I am speculating the motive of this particular crime, but time will tell.

Peace out

 

[Tati]

@appleomac i am just going to answer your question: Yes, I do know the difference. And I accept that there is a flaw in my argument.

@Tati just when I was about to have a respectful conversation with you. You started acting sarcastic. So I am not going to continue this conversation at all. As in I am exiting this thread after this comment post.

I do agree that there's more than one causes that resulted in the shooting. The crime itself is horrific, and just because someone is racist, it doesn't mean that they are going to buy a gun and start shooting people. So I agree that there's other causes, religious guilt, (which I personally find it very odd because this is perhaps the first time I heard about religious guilt related to Christianity, it happens with Islam, but Christianity?) mental health, but I am not discounting racism as one of the causes/motive of the crime. For now, I admit I am speculating the motive of this particular crime, but time will tell.

Peace out

I guess you've never heard of Catholic Guilt. Why is confessing your sins a thing? Why do you think we were taught to be good, 'God-fearing' Christians? Why are Heaven and Hell a thing? I guess only the Jews get to live guilt free lol (don't be mad - my ancestors are Jewish and it was only a joke).

 

[The Caffeinated Gent]

I guess you've never heard of Catholic Guilt. Why is confessing your sins a thing? Why do you think we were taught to be good, 'God-fearing' Christians? Why are Heaven and Hell a thing? I guess only the Jews get to live guilt free lol (don't be mad - my ancestors are Jewish and it was only a joke).

I am atheist, so no. I have not. And this incident proves once again that, to your point, all religions can be problematic.

@appleomac just like George Floyd's murder, there could be more than one causes. Racism? Yes. Police brutality? Yes. Atlanta shooting. Religious guilt? Yes. Gun control? Yes. Racism? Yes.

 

[Tati]

I am atheist, so no. I have not. And this incident proves once again that, to your point, all religions can be problematic.

@appleomac just like George Floyd's murder, there could be more than one causes. Racism? Yes. Police brutality? Yes. Atlanta shooting. Religious guilt? Yes. Gun control? Yes. Racism? Yes.

At the end of the day, none of us know what exactly was going on in that man's head in those moments. Maybe he woke up that day with a hate on for Asians. Maybe SPs/SWs. Maybe he just wanted to test out his firearms. Maybe God told him to do it. Maybe the devil. Maybe the voices.

 

[appleomac]

@appleomac just like George Floyd's murder, there could be more than one causes. Racism? Yes. Police brutality? Yes. Atlanta shooting. Religious guilt? Yes. Gun control? Yes. Racism? Yes.

I was never addressing the "causes" of racism. I was addressing some of your "evidence" that the Atlanta shooting was a racist act (i.e. only x% of Y state/city is Asian or the business was Asian owned).

 

[overdone]

while, one thing is for sure, that racist is going to lose his members card

funny, it's all about race, yet

he killed two others, both racist whiteys

cause after all whites are all racist now, it's just a matter of what degree of a racist they are, even if they don't know it (go watch Megyn Kelley's interview with Bill Maher about her young kids school, on youtube)

at least according to the new soup de jour of today

the left wing nuts in the media, twitter, who react before facts are out

and who when you don't agree, say you should be censored

don't think so?

look at all the media coverage, virtually none of it mentions the other 2 human beings who were killed, like they don't matter because they weren't Chinese/Korean, they were white

so they don't matter, cause it doesn't sell

they don't sell, fit the agenda

no one who kills multiple people, strangers, is mentally fit, I don't care what anyone says

you can't be, even if your evil itself, you still aren't mentally all there

mentally fit people don't do things like that

 

[The Caffeinated Gent]

At the end of the day, none of us know what exactly was going on in that man's head in those moments. Maybe he woke up that day with a hate on for Asians. Maybe SPs/SWs. Maybe he just wanted to test out his firearms. Maybe God told him to do it. Maybe the devil. Maybe the voices.

And that is exactly why we should not simply disregard racism being one of the causes for this crime. When the other member simply accused me of being racist because I think it was a racially motivated hate crime, you see what his real intentions were. When any of you said it was motivated by religious guilt, or gun control, did I attack you guys for your opinions? No, I didn't. I gave out my take on this case, and I was accused of being racist because I did not account for the victims of other ethnicities if I call it a hate crime? C'mon

 

[Lurker23]

Overall I think the number of mass shootings in the US has been significantly lower since the beginning of the pandemic. I assume studies will be done.

No, mass shootings and murders have skyrocketed last year since the George Floyd retail mourning began. More than 100% spike in some cities. but up at least 35% in all major US cities.

 

[Lurker23]

Atlanta police: "Yesterday was a bad day for him, and this is what he did."

Jesus Christ, this is how they're framing it? I hope they made him some fucking chamomile tea.

Imagine if he'd been a brown person.

If he were a brown person it would have gone unreported. Like the black guy who attacked an innocent 12 year old white kid 2 days ago and tried to saw his head off with a dull razor knife? The black guy was screaming about "White Devils" as he tried to kill the kid.

Didn't hear of that crime? You shouldn't be shocked,. the Fake News media is busy setting up their imaginary "white Supremacist" fantasies, and will not tell you the truth about inter-racial crime. And the truth is not what you think it is.

 

[The Caffeinated Gent]

I don't know if this was a racist incident. Perhaps in the "white supremacy causes everything" sense more than in the "he hates Asians" sense of it, it is racist. But I don't buy into that narrative; it's disingenuous to blame everything on white supremacy.

Hate crimes against asians are up like 700% in the us, but sadly the statistics show that those are disproportionally being committed by african americans. I don't have numbers for Canada, mind you. So of course, in light of those stats, this feels like 'just one more thing.' My Asian friends are scared. I hear that. I support them. I listen to them without judging. And I certainly don't try to judge their fears.

But emotions aren't facts and when we pretend they are, we tend to live in fear of things that aren't scary. It's important to get the data before judging.

You all have the right to hold no opinion on something. You don't have to rush to judge. You can say "I don't know" or "I don't have enough information to know yet". I know that's hard to do. We feel like we're so connected we should know everything instantly. The media builds a narrative as soon as something happens and that tends to take hold and by the time the actual information is in, it's too late. it's also hard to do because when you don't pick a side right away some people do view that as a personal affront.

All that being said, this is one of the most respectful conversations about racism I've ever seen in the internet. I'm impressed.

People should behave like you do. Instead of accusing me of being racist because I think this was a racially motivated hate crime against Asians like @Cock Throppled That was incredibly rude.

For the record, I never even said anything about white supremacy. Racially motivated hate crimes can be committed by any race, and among minority groups as well. As we have all been seeing since last year. I think this was a racially motivated hate crime against Asians, you think it was his Christian guilt. We are all speculating. Yet somehow I was accused of being racist for my opinion. That's just ridiculous.

 

[Billiam]

No, mass shootings and murders have skyrocketed last year since the George Floyd retail mourning began. More than 100% spike in some cities. but up at least 35% in all major US cities.

2020 had the least mass shootings in Amerika in over a decade.

 

[johnnydepth]

2020 had the least mass shootings in Amerika in over a decade.

I guess it depends on your source.

 

[Lurker23]

2020 had the least mass shootings in Amerika in over a decade.

There were 615 mass shootings in the US last year, with 531 people killed. Thousands more casualties.

That compares to 434 mass shootings in 2019, a spike of more than 40%.

Overwhelmingly, these mass shootings were committed by blacks. Something else the "anti-racist" fake news fails to tell you about.

 

[The Caffeinated Gent]

I was never addressing the "causes" of racism. I was addressing some of your "evidence" that the Atlanta shooting was a racist act (i.e. only x% of Y state/city is Asian or the business was Asian owned).

Neither was I. I was proving the shooting was a racist crime with my evidence.

Now what I bring up to the table is a new opinion/thought, that racism can be one of the causes that is responsible for this shooting crime.

 

[oldshark]

I think you relative grew up in an environment where he didn't have much close relationship with Asian women in his early life, but stereotypes of the ethnicity in mainstream medias, like the old Hollywood movies you mentioned, that subconsciously influenced how your relative views them. Versus you grew up in a different era where you had more interaction with Asian women in your life and that shaped your different perception of Asian women. And I think that is a good thing.

My relative is actually younger than me (by 15 years) but grew up in Central Europe whereas I grew in Vancouver going to schools in East Van which had a significant number of Asians and other groups. So yes, dramatically different upbringings.

 

[Crookedmember]

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/