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8 Badminton Players Disqualified for Throwing Matches

Dgodus

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Guess there's no such thing as humility or integrity or sportsmanship in China. It's so evident in the video what they were doing was wrong yet they're still defending their actions and making excuses. I guess two wrongs make a right in China.
If you provide people an incentive to lose they will do so, it's been going on for years (the draft in professional sports, and I know in the nba teams dont lose on purpose but stop trying if they want to face a certain opponent in the playoffs for a better match up). Not saying it's right, just that this is one of the few times people are being called out and reprimanded for it, so yea they are going to defend themselves as it's happened so much without any repercussion.

It's not simply China, in the NBA there is the team building mentality of completly stripping your team, bottoming out and building through the draft. It's perfectly accepted with the notion of "this is how we get good and can truly end up competing". China's view was "this is our best chance at getting a gold medal here". If you leave loopholes people will try and exploit them, been doing it since the beginning of civilization for crying out loud. It's our habit, cant expect people to not defend themselves about it.

Besides, they're athletes. Do you want them walking around with a defeatist attitude? The ones still in the games still have to compete, still need to keep a positive attitude. Honestly how many guys here have stood up for their friend, relative, girlfriend/wife when they knew they were wrong? It's no different, they're standing up for their countrymen. I'd be more concerned if they simply threw them under the bus.
 

badbadboy

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The organizers invited this sort of BS by changing the format. Doesn't completely excuse the actions, but they were warned that "pool play" encouraged this sort of thing.
Absolutely correct.

Problem is logistically with the number of teams it was unmanageable having a single pool.

A single pool with the top four or eight moving on would have stopped the tanking because you have to play your best in each match.


In reality they could not have had each team play each other once in a single pool.
 

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As you have pointed out this is very common in all sports .. throw the game so you get some advantage later .. The problem here was that it was obvious .. to every one and they were given a warning .. The Olympics are famous for showing the world all about humanity .. It show us a hand full of top athielts that excel to the top with hard work , and over coming adversity ,, But most of the time it some us the political nature of people and how they will do ant=y thing to make them selves winner with corruption , . drugs , and playing the system that is in place ..

Look how many good atheists never make it to the Olympics because they don't have the money or won't play the game . And how many atheists are disqualified from the games each time ..

Good example all ..
In the end it come down to money even for these so called amitures .. Endorsement , prestige that translate into getting a good job placement or couching job ..
For those that never make it to the top there really is no second place and that is the case with so many sports .. there only can be one winner ....after all every ones else s hard work .

That is why i like the sports where you know it is all about the money ..and how much you can make .. that is the honesty about those players
 

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I all ways suspect this with Hockey .. there is so much more to that business then just winning game .. They definitely try not to play some teams .. and they look for home ice advantage .. and when it come to he Stanley cup it is all about how many tickets they can sell so the more game it takes to win the more money they make ... Yah sports .. there is no such thing :confused:
 

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As you have pointed out this is very common in all sports .. throw the game so you get some advantage later .. The problem here was that it was obvious .. to every one and they were given a warning ..
Exactly......it was obvious. I realize this sort of thing happens all the time. Back in 1984 when the Penguins drafted Mario Lemieux, I am pretty sure the Penguins made an effort to finish dead last.
 

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Absolutely correct.

Problem is logistically with the number of teams it was unmanageable having a single pool.

A single pool with the top four or eight moving on would have stopped the tanking because you have to play your best in each match.


In reality they could not have had each team play each other once in a single pool.
nah, the format is all good. did you see this happen in soccer (football)? :rolleyes: it's just the play time that they didn't consider when there's two or more teams are playing for one nation.
 

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Don't need a pool, a simple elimination would do the trick.

If they want more games they can do playoffs among the losers for spots in the next round. But, whatever the system used, there should allways be an incentive to win that game to progress.
 

Dgodus

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Elimination style tourney is one of the main reasons to love march madness so much.

It's not like these teams aren't playing in the 4 years between olympics, could easily have them seeded before the games even get underway and just do a one and done elimination when they get here.

and lol @ olympic football, Spain won the Euro and WC but yet didn't even score a goal before being eliminated from the olympics. Mexico actually did a smart thing and they sent their u-23 team to the last concaf (or w/e the americas cup is), those kids are actually used to playing together as a team and have international experience as such.
 

Dgodus

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WC and Euro are different than Olympics. All Olympics players must not be older than 23! WC and Euro can!
No kidding, did you not read (which was right after what you quoted) me stating how smart it is smart for Mexico sending their u-23 team to international tournaments in practice for the olympics..... Or notice that I already said previously that FIFA won't let people older than 23 in the olympics to keep the WC the premier football event.
 

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Go back to the single elimination format. Lose 2/3 you're out. Thank-you for coming,enjoy the city.

I understand that they rather have an all chinese final that way one team is guaranteed gold but to make it so obvious...they make pro wrestling real.
Everybody should take some blame. Players,coaches and the country's badminton federation.
 

mercyshooter

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Go back to the single elimination format. Lose 2/3 you're out. Thank-you for coming,enjoy the city.

I understand that they rather have an all chinese final that way one team is guaranteed gold but to make it so obvious...they make pro wrestling real.
Everybody should take some blame. Players,coaches and the country's badminton federation.
but when i look at the format deeply, you can also blame the format which is set by the wbf. ;)
 

luvsdaty

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I all ways suspect this with Hockey .. there is so much more to that business then just winning game .. They definitely try not to play some teams .. and they look for home ice advantage .. and when it come to he Stanley cup it is all about how many tickets they can sell so the more game it takes to win the more money they make ... Yah sports .. there is no such thing :confused:
I think this is how Montreal drafted Guy Lafleur?Pittsburgh/Lemeux?
 
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