$350 the new rate or WTF?

[Babylon]

You are probably right Dood, I have lead quite a sheltered life. I'm still young and grew up in a "quaint" small town so I'm sure I have a skewed view of working as an SP. Thats why I said "to do well and most importantly ENJOY YOURSELF you have to a healthy life-style and mind, high self-worth, truly love men and love sex and most importantly have a really good sense of humour!!"
The thought of a woman selling her body for drugs or out of desperation makes me feel really uncomfortable, but that is a dark aspect of this 'job' I'll have to come to terms with in my own time.

Of course there are a million reasons a college girl or anyone for that matter, wouldn't do this - for me the negatives are foremost safety, secondly is risking hurting or alienating my parents & loved ones. Oddly enough I am not so worried about it affecting my future career path. I don't think too many ladies are "outed" like that esp. if the move to a different city from where they worked.

One thing though- the image of johns as all shady, creepy old men is a totally bogus stereo-type. The majority of my clients are quiet charismatic and between the ages of 25-40 who just don't have the time or desire for a girlfriend at the moment or their girlfriend/wife has issues with sex or maybe unable to satisfy them. That's were "we" come in - to keep them happily with or without there parters.

 

[Katlyn]

Isn't kind of hypocritical to finish saying that you know lots of people with money who are complete asses and those below poverty who have "dignity and class", then go on to say that having a high-price (obviously for those with more money) are classier?

You didn't read all of my posts. I said that for myself having a higher rate has attracted people who treat me better and thus I consider higher classed as my definition of classy is someone who treats other people well. There are plenty of classy people who pay lower rates but the ratio of those to the people who treat me like an ass at lower rates is such that I do not want to deal with them. Note I also said the rate that this distinction happens is different for every SP and is dependent I'm sure on many factors. I believe for me it is because of how common petite brunettes are, I am a dime a dozen to the guys that pay the lower rates from agencies and college girls on CL whereas for some SPs who really stand out and have something specific that someone is looking for they may get plenty of respectful and classy clients at lower rates.

I never once said that people that spend less are automatically less classy or that people that spend more are automatically classier and I'm sorry if that is what you are reading but perhaps you should re-read my posts. Repeating myself over and over is pointless.

This thread has gotten out of hand. The ladies left the thread alone because it was not directed at us, it was a question among you, the clients. Then someone called us out and a couple of us went out on a limb, knowing we would be blasted no matter what we said, to try to explain -- for those willing to listen -- what our experiences have been. And this classy distinction thing is ridiculous. If you treat me with respect and dignity I consider you classy but you would not believe how little respect and dignity I got from callers when I advertised a lower rate...2 nice classy guys for every 8 asses and so I decided on a higher rate where I would not get those callers.

It is not simply my opinion that I would be treated poorly by the majority of clients at a lower rate, that is my experience and you can argue with my words as much as you want, or any of the other ladies' words who replied in this thread, but fact is we are just telling you what we have gone through and what has led to the rate we have chosen. I want to mention also that I charge the same as Carmen Fox's lowest rate ($500 for two hours, I am not interested in one hour appointments as I do not enjoy them even though I could make more money and see more clients if I did do them) so it is not like my rates are through the roof or anything.

It is very difficult for an SP to publicly answer questions like this and you should trust those of us that do give you these bare bones answers are being honest because we know we will say some things that will turn some people away...there is no way around that. The easiest thing, the way to get the most clients, is to always keep our mouths shut and reply only to things that make us seem friendly and positive and non-opinionated. But if a person asks an honest question on here and I feel I can give an honest answer, I will do it even though I know some clients will read into my words and not take them for face value because I think it is helpful for others to understand what goes on from the SP side, just as I appreciate when you gents post about things from the client side.

btw there is nothing more I can say that I haven't said already and as I am not one for drama or arguments, nor do I feel the need to defend myself as I believe people can make up their own opinions about me, I am not going to reply to this thread again. I hope the replies I have made have been helpful to those interested though!

 

[trackstar]

You didn't read all of my posts. I said that for myself having a higher rate has attracted people who treat me better and thus I consider higher classed as my definition of classy is someone who treats other people well. There are plenty of classy people who pay lower rates but the ratio of those to the people who treat me like an ass at lower rates is such that I do not want to deal with them. Note I also said the rate that this distinction happens is different for every SP and is dependent I'm sure on many factors. I believe for me it is because of how common petite brunettes are, I am a dime a dozen to the guys that pay the lower rates from agencies and college girls on CL whereas for some SPs who really stand out and have something specific that someone is looking for they may get plenty of respectful and classy clients at lower rates.

I never once said that people that spend less are automatically less classy or that people that spend more are automatically classier and I'm sorry if that is what you are reading but perhaps you should re-read my posts. Repeating myself over and over is pointless.

This thread has gotten out of hand. The ladies left the thread alone because it was not directed at us, it was a question among you, the clients. Then someone called us out and a couple of us went out on a limb, knowing we would be blasted no matter what we said, to try to explain -- for those willing to listen -- what our experiences have been. And this classy distinction thing is ridiculous. If you treat me with respect and dignity I consider you classy but you would not believe how little respect and dignity I got from callers when I advertised a lower rate...2 nice classy guys for every 8 asses and so I decided on a higher rate where I would not get those callers.

It is not simply my opinion that I would be treated poorly by the majority of clients at a lower rate, that is my experience and you can argue with my words as much as you want, or any of the other ladies' words who replied in this thread, but fact is we are just telling you what we have gone through and what has led to the rate we have chosen. I want to mention also that I charge the same as Carmen Fox's lowest rate ($500 for two hours, I am not interested in one hour appointments as I do not enjoy them even though I could make more money and see more clients if I did do them) so it is not like my rates are through the roof or anything.

It is very difficult for an SP to publicly answer questions like this and you should trust those of us that do give you these bare bones answers are being honest because we know we will say some things that will turn some people away...there is no way around that. The easiest thing, the way to get the most clients, is to always keep our mouths shut and reply only to things that make us seem friendly and positive and non-opinionated. But if a person asks an honest question on here and I feel I can give an honest answer, I will do it even though I know some clients will read into my words and not take them for face value because I think it is helpful for others to understand what goes on from the SP side, just as I appreciate when you gents post about things from the client side.

btw there is nothing more I can say that I haven't said already and as I am not one for drama or arguments, nor do I feel the need to defend myself as I believe people can make up their own opinions about me, I am not going to reply to this thread again. I hope the replies I have made have been helpful to those interested though!

Fair enough, no? Personally she has never struck me as an elitest.

 

[FortunateOne]

I hate to break it to you sweetheart - but we are there just to blow a load. I'm going to have to call a spade a spade here. I'm not going to treat you poorly, but if seeing you wasn't about 'getting off', what would it be about? For the most part I'm looking to live out some kinks and have some hot sweaty sex as well.

Hatrick has a list of SWs for guys who agree with this 10 minutes for $50, if it is all about "blowing a load, getting off, and hot sweaty sex."

For the others, there are all sorts of sps to choose from who charge anywhere from 150/hr to 700/hr, all with their own particular appeal to whoever is out there. But no matter which one you choose, how much or how little you spend, if you treat her like crap you won't be back. And then where does your "great deal" get you?

And for the sp in my earlier story, 100/hh who increased her rates? I forgot that she also said that she met with a lot of guys who were great, some even went so far as to give her the regular rate of 125, some tipping to 140/hr just because they were happy to meet her and thought the 100 was too low for what she offered. She just felt that the few bad ones outweighed the good ones, and she would increase her good ones and not get exhausted in the process if she raised up the rate a little bit.

 

[trackstar]

Hatrick has a list of SWs for guys who agree with this 10 minutes for $50, if it is all about "blowing a load, getting off, and hot sweaty sex."

For the others, there are all sorts of sps to choose from who charge anywhere from 150/hr to 700/hr, all with their own particular appeal to whoever is out there. But no matter which one you choose, how much or how little you spend, if you treat her like crap you won't be back. And then where does your "great deal" get you?

And for the sp in my earlier story, 100/hh who increased her rates? I forgot that she also said that she met with a lot of guys who were great, some even went so far as to give her the regular rate of 125, some tipping to 140/hr just because they were happy to meet her and thought the 100 was too low for what she offered. She just felt that the few bad ones outweighed the good ones, and she would increase her good ones and not get exhausted in the process if she raised up the rate a little bit.

Actually not all sw and some do fs for 40-60, no time limit, more of a gfe. Decent looking non pro single moms just trying to make ends meet. Maybe do 5 guys a month.

 

[Babylon]

Well said Internet forums are rife with misunderstandings.

I totally agree with you about not wanting to sound to opinionated or intelligent as it may be a turn off for a lot of guys (makes us seem less approachable or somehow bitchy ) - but who cares when you're itching to speak you mind.

I'm sure you perbites can handle all us smart and sassy girls - right?

You didn't read all of my posts. I said that for myself having a higher rate has attracted people who treat me better and thus I consider higher classed as my definition of classy is someone who treats other people well. There are plenty of classy people who pay lower rates but the ratio of those to the people who treat me like an ass at lower rates is such that I do not want to deal with them. Note I also said the rate that this distinction happens is different for every SP and is dependent I'm sure on many factors. I believe for me it is because of how common petite brunettes are, I am a dime a dozen to the guys that pay the lower rates from agencies and college girls on CL whereas for some SPs who really stand out and have something specific that someone is looking for they may get plenty of respectful and classy clients at lower rates.

I never once said that people that spend less are automatically less classy or that people that spend more are automatically classier and I'm sorry if that is what you are reading but perhaps you should re-read my posts. Repeating myself over and over is pointless.

This thread has gotten out of hand. The ladies left the thread alone because it was not directed at us, it was a question among you, the clients. Then someone called us out and a couple of us went out on a limb, knowing we would be blasted no matter what we said, to try to explain -- for those willing to listen -- what our experiences have been. And this classy distinction thing is ridiculous. If you treat me with respect and dignity I consider you classy but you would not believe how little respect and dignity I got from callers when I advertised a lower rate...2 nice classy guys for every 8 asses and so I decided on a higher rate where I would not get those callers.

It is not simply my opinion that I would be treated poorly by the majority of clients at a lower rate, that is my experience and you can argue with my words as much as you want, or any of the other ladies' words who replied in this thread, but fact is we are just telling you what we have gone through and what has led to the rate we have chosen. I want to mention also that I charge the same as Carmen Fox's lowest rate ($500 for two hours, I am not interested in one hour appointments as I do not enjoy them even though I could make more money and see more clients if I did do them) so it is not like my rates are through the roof or anything.

It is very difficult for an SP to publicly answer questions like this and you should trust those of us that do give you these bare bones answers are being honest because we know we will say some things that will turn some people away...there is no way around that. The easiest thing, the way to get the most clients, is to always keep our mouths shut and reply only to things that make us seem friendly and positive and non-opinionated. But if a person asks an honest question on here and I feel I can give an honest answer, I will do it even though I know some clients will read into my words and not take them for face value because I think it is helpful for others to understand what goes on from the SP side, just as I appreciate when you gents post about things from the client side.

btw there is nothing more I can say that I haven't said already and as I am not one for drama or arguments, nor do I feel the need to defend myself as I believe people can make up their own opinions about me, I am not going to reply to this thread again. I hope the replies I have made have been helpful to those interested though!

 

[Miss*Bijou]

The easiest thing, the way to get the most clients, is to always keep our mouths shut and reply only to things that make us seem friendly and positive and non-opinionated.

But why would you want to do that? BO-RING!

lol

 

[TheGuy]

Well it does seem like $350.00 is the new $250.00. Then I guess when a 450 sq. ft. one bedroom condo rents for $1600.00 a month it not hard to figure where the prices go.

I look at it this way. I know business consultants that charge $150/hour and I know business consultants that charge $600/hour. The both make a good living and both provide a good service, however, the more expensive one does have better skills and presents himself better.

So the problem is not the $350 for the high end that make you feel the money was well spent the problem the girls who should be charging $200 charging $350.

Where the value is clear the decision is easy!

 

[AA_Train]

/Rant

I have to disagree with you and stick up for me and the other girls who do not charge more than 300/hr. I charge 250/hr, see no more that 2 clients per day and I am doing well for myself. In fact, I have managed to almost completely pay off my student loans from over 4 years of school. I can't imagine what girl would have such expenses that would have to be met by seeing 7-10 clients at 250 ($2500/day)

I do agree with you that a girl should charge as much as she wants. But just because someone share 400/hr and another person charges 250/hr doesn't not automatically mean that the 400/hr is "higher class", better looking or will provide a better experience. I can also assure you, my clients that pay 250 are all very "respectful, high class clientèle".

Yes, I could charge more since I am often booked up for weeks and I have been told many times that I am undervaluing myself. It's just I feel that $250/hour is reasonable, when you think about it's actually quite high. If my expenses increase in the future then, yes, I may raise my rates or see more clients but for the moment I am comfortable. Yes, there are men with tons of cash to blow who like to see very expensive women as a boost to their ego; those guys are usually the assholes in my opinion. I'd prefer to stay in the range where any good, hard working, gentleman can save up to see me for a treat now and then.

Forgive me if I have misunderstood you, I don't think you meant to be insulting to everyone who charges 250 but it is insinuated.

Just a quick note about my generation: Grammar and spelling were hardly taught to us in Canadian schools, so only those who took an active interest in such pursuits emerged from the system with any kind of decent literary skill. It's quite discouraging to see how poor my generation is at simple reading and writing. So many people don't know how to use there/their/they're or start sentences with "But", "And" or "Because" inappropriately.

Obviously, internet forums are not places of great depth so grammar and spelling aren't as important as making your point. However, your point of view is lost if it's incomprehensible.

/End Rant

Yes, great post. OK boys and girls, I've said this before and I'll say it again: Pricing has many different facets and the rate one lady charges has several factors. First aspect is costs. Some women operate out of their own residence and some have a second residence for their business. Some share some own independently. The location of such a place has a factor as well as size, amenities, etc. Then there's aesthetics, outfits, "supplies" etc. There's transportation costs. There's costs in their "regular" life they have to cover.

The second is the type of services they provide. Some provide a GFE, some are R&T, some are Dommes, some are a synthesis of these services.

Then there's the going rate, although this is influenced by how SPs collectively (although seperately) determine how much they need to make based on the first two factors and their own egos. If one lady has tons of great reviews, there may be justification to raise rates, but to a point. There's nothing wrong with getting "what you're worth" but it's kinda all realtive now isn't it? As consumers in this marketplace, we decide what is the "proper" by either partaking in a woman's services or not based on the information we collect.

Women like Nina and Violet may be able to charge more or less but charge a rate they feel reflects their expenses, their services and their confidence in themselves and their abilities. They're not greedy but they don't sell themselves short or overestimate themselves and there are plenty of other women in this business who do the same. There clients don't complain and keep coming back so why should they do anything different. I think it's insulting that Angel and others believe that charging more means more respectful clientele. I'm a blue collar guy and the women I have seen on this board can tell you've I've been nothing but respectful to them. I'm sure other blue collar guys who make modest income and can't afford $400/h + are just as respectful than more well-to-do guys. Pricks are pricks, income has nothing to do with it.

Women can charge whatever they want but the point is don't be greedy and raise your rates because you have a legitimate reason (ie costs) to do so, not just because you can.

 

[FortunateOne]

Not meaning any offense here....

I sometimes see the words "rates" and "greedy" in posts, as in high rates mean the sp is greedy. I actually don't think higher rates (okay 350+ is a bit much) translate to "greedy".

I do see a direct link between low rates and being "greedy".

It is suggested that lower rates (along the line of 140/45min) = more clients.
More clients = more made per day.
More made per day = greedy. Why else would you strive to make more $ per day?

Higher rates = fewer clients.
Fewer clients = less made per day.
Less made per day does notequal "greedy". Knowing higher rates will result in fewer clients.

 

[Lady Companion]

You don't raise your rates to make more money

You do it to reduce the number of gentlemen you see.

If I were to drop my rates to 250/hour, I could easily book 6 gents in an 8 hour period. I know, I used to charge that, and voicemail was completely full by the time I finished with a liason.

I prefer not to do that, because from a physical and psychological standpoint, that is not a healthy balance for me. I'm sure there are plenty of ladies who do wonderfully with it - but I am not one of them.

I would much rather entertain a couple of gentlemen for 2 hours, or do a lunch or dinner date. Contrarry to popular belief, the more a lady charges, the more adminsitrative work there is. Emails, phone calls, advertising (the higher end demographic is much smaller), screening, etc.

Higher donations and longer more social trysts do tend to attract a different demographic. Attention to detail is far more important, and being up to date on current affairs, world politics, world economics etc. is imperative.

In general, the shorter/lower priced trysts cater to the destintion. Higher priced and longer liasons are more geared toward the social and enjoying the entire journey.

For me, charging higher prices means numerous additional hours of admin work to earn the same amount as chucking an advert in the buy and sell and charging 250/hour with just anybody would bring in.

Increased price structure has much more to do with ensuring that the gentlemen I meet with are indeed a good match. I truly look forward to seeing each and every one of them, and that we both come away with wonderful memories.

I can't say I would feel that way yelling 'gent number 8....come on down!'

 

[DDawGG]

Pricing is a product of the market

Prices will continue to climb until business starts to fall off

Then someone will put the product "on sale" to prop up sales volume

Then prices will start to decline until the product is selling again

And once again the cycle begins

Through that cycle some will make it through without changing their pricing

Other will decide that the profit margin isn't high enough and close their business down.

All we need to do now is pick a product to attach to this story.

Real Estate? Lumber? Seafood?

The theory is the same for all.

Sorry ladies, I know we are talking about you sharing your body with us and while I can't speak for everyone.

I am VERY, VERY grateful

 

[FortunateOne]

Pricing is a product of the market

Prices will continue to climb until business starts to fall off

Then someone will put the product "on sale" to prop up sales volume

Then prices will start to decline until the product is selling again

And once again the cycle begins

Through that cycle some will make it through without changing their pricing

Other will decide that the profit margin isn't high enough and close their business down.

All we need to do now is pick a product to attach to this story.

Real Estate? Lumber? Seafood?

The theory is the same for all.

Sorry ladies, I know we are talking about you sharing your body with us and while I can't speak for everyone.

I am VERY, VERY grateful

I like what you have to say

We also need to keep in mind that the sps are not in this for the long term. 1yr, 2yr, 5yr, maximum of 10 maybe. Like athletes, there isn't going to be a 25yr retirement plan, nor will they spend the next 25 years doing this.

 

[AA_Train]

I sometimes see the words "rates" and "greedy" in posts, as in high rates mean the sp is greedy. I actually don't think higher rates (okay 350+ is a bit much) translate to "greedy".

I do see a direct link between low rates and being "greedy".

It is suggested that lower rates (along the line of 140/45min) = more clients.
More clients = more made per day.
More made per day = greedy. Why else would you strive to make more $ per day?

Higher rates = fewer clients.
Fewer clients = less made per day.
Less made per day does notequal "greedy". Knowing higher rates will result in fewer clients.

No, higher rates doesn't mean greed. Greed means making more for the sake of making more and not really needing it. If you're charging a rate (say $200-$300/h) and making enough to operate, enough to live and enough to save, why charge more? Also, a woman can see as many clients a day no matter what she charges. The number of clients a woman sees a day is not necessarily proportionate to price.

 

[trackstar]

I'm not quite getting this thread. For every working girl that charges 350+ there are 20 that are charging less. You can get a crack whore for 5 bucks, a sw for 30-200, casual working girls for 30 -300. Why focus and bash on the chicks that charge more? They are in the minority, so you're not forced to pay this much to poon. They are not telling others to raise their rates. They are not even downing the women that charge less, so who cares what they charge?

I figure they are getting as much business as they would like and I don't hear their customers complaining...

 

[Miss*Bijou]

I'm not quite getting this thread.

... Why focus and bash on the chicks that charge more?

... you're not forced to pay this much to poon.

... so who cares what they charge?

I agree.

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LMAO

 

[Lurker 123]

I am wondering after the fiancial crisis in US today,how many pooners can still afford to pay for $350 or more? Perhaps not very long ,most ladies will have to lower their price!

Today the Dow dropped 777 points, the equity market has lost a trillion dollars! I haven't counted the 800 points lost in Toronto yet!

 

[trackstar]

I am wondering after the fiancial crisis in US today,how many pooners can still afford to pay for $350 or more? Perhaps not very long ,most ladies will have to lower their price!

Today the Dow dropped 777 points, the equity market has lost a trillion dollars! I haven't counted the 800 points lost in Toronto yet!

Many. It's all about what you prioritize your money for. Think about what you spend your money on, bills, mortgage, credit cards, hobbies, entertainment. Now think about the guys that don't have a mortgage, or credit card debts, or who don't spend money on hobbies that you may have.

One guy spends $350 on a Canucks game, another drops a couple of grand on a guitar, while another drops a grand a month for sex. It's all about priorities and for some, sex takes the place of sports, music, drinking, etc. Look at the brothels in Nevada. A couple of grand for some of these girls and they have regulars.

No, I don't think these girls will have any difficulties in the foreseeable future.

 

[87112]

Rates are going up down here, go figure. In Seattle if you go to www.reviewboard.net Not one soul has drop one cent off the rates. Its a matter of too little competition and too many customers unlike in BC where you can everything for what is considered very low price here. I cant believe how lucky you guys are up there.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

Rates are going up down here, go figure. In Seattle if you go to www.reviewboard.net Not one soul has drop one cent off the rates. Its a matter of too little competition and too many customers unlike in BC where you can everything for what is considered very low price here. I cant believe how lucky you guys are up there.

Your linky no good... I think you meant www.thereviewboard.net ..