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I’ve abstained from talking politics on this site but the orange fucktard is trying to raise the age of the draft he’s pushing through to age 40 .
WTF ! ?
Plus they are predicting a return of the Great Depression ( literally ) in that most of us will be semi starving due to 80% of food becoming out of 80% of the populations price range.

On top of that this moron still controls most of the idiotic voting population.

What the Fuck ?
Am I the only one who feels like I’m on crazy pills ?
 

westwoody

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Food has to be transported everywhere, and that needs diesel fuel.
The jump in diesel prices is a big factor in food price increases.

Getting rid of all the migrant farm labor will reduce the food supply, this will affect Canadians as well. Tighter supply=higher prices.
 

GeeBeeP

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I’ve abstained from talking politics on this site but the orange fucktard is trying to raise the age of the draft he’s pushing through to age 40 .
WTF ! ?
Plus they are predicting a return of the Great Depression ( literally ) in that most of us will be semi starving due to 80% of food becoming out of 80% of the populations price range.

On top of that this moron still controls most of the idiotic voting population.

What the Fuck ?
Am I the only one who feels like I’m on crazy pills ?
Nope you’re on “sane person looking at reality pills” The crazy pills are in the Cool Aid the MAGA crowd have been guzzling for the past 10 years.
 

80watts

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… one thing I don’t agree is China attacking Taiwan. Ain’t happening. China for the longest time has not attack or invade any country and it’s not about to do so. It has already established itself as a global leader and a grownup. See, this is the talking point of the US brainwashing everyone in the region into believing that they need the US to be there. Just like creating this fear all over the world that they the US needs to be there for them. That they needed to spend like 2% to 5% of their gdp on defense which translate to buying arms from them. It’s a business plain and simple. China and Taiwan will one day unify with not a single bullet fired. It’s just a matter of time.
You need to read between the lines, just because there was no formal declaration of war, Chinese troops don't go lollipoping about a border and set up new gates in another country or make aggressive plane maneuvers or ships attempted land ....
Battle of Chamdo (1950) ------Annexation of Tibet.
Land skirmishes with India.
Also a impact on wars in Indochina (Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam)
China's Action in the South China Sea, setting up missile platforms on sandbars to claim resources in the Spratley Islands which are closer to the Philippines and Malaysia then mainland China. Their aggressive ramming tactics against other countries flags vessels in the South China Sea. They have an aggressive posture with all their neighbours including India, Russia and Vietnam. In 1950 they took over Tibet (prob the most peace loving nation due to Buddhism)....

Since the early 2000s China has built a bigger fleet then the USA and has built a war machine. Germany did the same arms build up when Hitler came to power, he turned Germany into an arms factory (They were not building luxury goods at the time for Germany).

And publicly Xi has told the world press that Taiwan is the property of China.
The defense of Taiwan will be difficult as the majority of people live on the northern side of the Island. This is where the Chinese will land. Drones and railguns would be a good defense against the thousands of ships the Chinese will use. The Chinese will use drones ships to get massive swarms of drones to knock out any land artillery, and missile site on Taiwan... Not too long ago in China, every boat being constructed had to be constructed to military standards. Now every Chinese flag bearing ship could be a potential threat to a US destroyer if it comes close enough to put drones in the air.

In the past the US has stuck up for Taiwan, when China flexes its muscles.... In the last few years China has been operating massive ship maneuvers just outside territorial waters (12 mile limit). Now Trump went to China and really got nothing, while the US is still deleting its stockpile of missiles, which is being wasted in the St. of Hormuz.....

The people of Taiwan don't want Mainland communist China to rule them, prime example look at Hong Kong when the English lease ran up, not at first, but grips on the police were tightened, elected officials were forced out, and puppets put into place.

The Chinese are just biding their time, So everything is in its favour to launch a surprise and sustained attack.
 
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I’ve abstained from talking politics on this site but the orange fucktard is trying to raise the age of the draft he’s pushing through to age 40 .
WTF ! ?
Plus they are predicting a return of the Great Depression ( literally ) in that most of us will be semi starving due to 80% of food becoming out of 80% of the populations price range.

On top of that this moron still controls most of the idiotic voting population.

What the Fuck ?
Am I the only one who feels like I’m on crazy pills ?
The great depression started with the stock market crash... But what really accelerated it was drought for the south western farms. this was before well pumps to pump water from aquifiers. A major contribution to this drought was the large cutting of trees across the American mid-west , where winds picked up dry dusty soils and stripped the land of topsoil for growing crops. A line of trees north to south were replanted and that created a 100 mile wide (east to west) barrier to stop the wind and soil erosion.
Today the Colorado River Valley water system is very very low. Enough so that water for farms will soon be on the hacking list. The mid-west systems are also low on water.
the majority of southern California food production comes from water from the Colorado River Valley Water System (Colorado River Basin)...

Here is the solution to water shortages in the Colorado River System, drain water from the Great Lakes. Superior and Michigan, which when you draw water off them leaves less water for the St Lawrence Seaway... This is not a good choice for Canada.

The better choice would be to have water made from seawater (using massive Reverse Osmosis system) and piped to the upper reservoirs in the Upper Colorado Basin. The Energy would be solar and wind power coming from Nevada and Colorado to power the Californian water making plants.
 
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Food has to be transported everywhere, and that needs diesel fuel.
The jump in diesel prices is a big factor in food price increases.

Getting rid of all the migrant farm labor will reduce the food supply, this will affect Canadians as well. Tighter supply=higher prices.
The funny thing why its diesel.... Is instead of making a River-Canal system in the prairies the politicians chose the cheapest solution , not a long term more efficient system of waterways (boats). Since the 1960s grain elevators and railroads that went to almost every town in the prairies, were being abandoned. It was cheaper for the big buyers to let elevators die, and let the farmers truck grain to a bigger elevator located in a bigger town.

In the 50-70 fresh food was canned in the fall for winter, before grocery stores took over in the 80s onward. Farm grow their own garden and they still can vegebles for winter; but not in the cities. But if you want fresh veggies and fruits in winter it comes from California (states) .
 

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I’ve abstained from talking politics on this site but the orange fucktard is trying to raise the age of the draft he’s pushing through to age 40 .
WTF ! ?
Plus they are predicting a return of the Great Depression ( literally ) in that most of us will be semi starving due to 80% of food becoming out of 80% of the populations price range.

On top of that this moron still controls most of the idiotic voting population.

What the Fuck ?
Am I the only one who feels like I’m on crazy pills ?
Daily dosage of Crazy pills or we have been inserted into a Twilight Zone/Matrix show without our knowledge where logic means nothing to 35% of The American people and still 15% of Canadians .
 
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se7landrover97

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You need to read between the lines, just because there was no formal declaration of war, Chinese troops don't go lollipoping about a border and set up new gates in another country or make aggressive plane maneuvers or ships attempted land ....
Battle of Chamdo (1950) ------Annexation of Tibet.
Land skirmishes with India.
Also a impact on wars in Indochina (Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam)
China's Action in the South China Sea, setting up missile platforms on sandbars to claim resources in the Spratley Islands which are closer to the Philippines and Malaysia then mainland China. Their aggressive ramming tactics against other countries flags vessels in the South China Sea. They have an aggressive posture with all their neighbours including India, Russia and Vietnam. In 1950 they took over Tibet (prob the most peace loving nation due to Buddhism)....

Since the early 2000s China has built a bigger fleet then the USA and has built a war machine. Germany did the same arms build up when Hitler came to power, he turned Germany into an arms factory (They were not building luxury goods at the time for Germany).

And publicly Xi has told the world press that Taiwan is the property of China.
The defense of Taiwan will be difficult as the majority of people live on the northern side of the Island. This is where the Chinese will land. Drones and railguns would be a good defense against the thousands of ships the Chinese will use. The Chinese will use drones ships to get massive swarms of drones to knock out any land artillery, and missile site on Taiwan... Not too long ago in China, every boat being constructed had to be constructed to military standards. Now every Chinese flag bearing ship could be a potential threat to a US destroyer if it comes close enough to put drones in the air.

In the past the US has stuck up for Taiwan, when China flexes its muscles.... In the last few years China has been operating massive ship maneuvers just outside territorial waters (12 mile limit). Now Trump went to China and really got nothing, while the US is still deleting its stockpile of missiles, which is being wasted in the St. of Hormuz.....

The people of Taiwan don't want Mainland communist China to rule them, prime example look at Hong Kong when the English lease ran up, not at first, but grips on the police were tightened, elected officials were forced out, and puppets put into place.

The Chinese are just biding their time, So everything is in its favour to launch a surprise and sustained attack.
I did a little research and this is what I found:

Your description of “ramming tactics” and coercive maritime behavior is broadly supported by reporting from multiple governments and international observers.

Taiwan: Xi Jinping’s statements
Correct. Xi Jinping has repeatedly stated that Taiwan is part of China and that “reunification” is a goal. China has not ruled out the use of force.

However:

  • Beijing officially still says it prefers “peaceful reunification.”
  • Whether China intends to invade soon is debated among analysts.
Hong Kong comparison: partially accurate but simplified
Your point about Hong Kong reflects real developments:

  • after the 2019 protests, Beijing imposed the National Security Law,
  • opposition politicians and activists were arrested or disqualified,
  • electoral rules were changed to ensure “patriots” govern Hong Kong.
So concerns in Taiwan about losing political freedoms under Beijing are very real and widely documented.

But calling all current officials “puppets” is more political characterization than objective fact.

“China has built a bigger fleet than the USA”: needs clarification
This is one of the most important nuances.

By number of ships, China’s navy is now larger than the U.S. Navy. This is widely acknowledged, including by the U.S. Department of Defense.

However:

  • the U.S. Navy still has major advantages in:
    • aircraft carriers,
    • nuclear submarines,
    • global logistics,
    • combat experience,
    • tonnage,
    • power projection.
So “bigger fleet” is true numerically, but it does not automatically mean militarily superior overall.

“China turned into an arms factory like Nazi Germany”: partially true analogy, but limited
China has massively expanded:

  • shipbuilding,
  • missile production,
  • drones,
  • naval modernization,
  • industrial capacity.
And China’s civilian shipbuilding industry is indeed closely linked to military capability.

But comparisons to Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany should be made carefully:

  • Germany under Hitler explicitly pursued rapid territorial conquest and world war.
  • China is certainly more assertive and militarily expansionist in some regions, but its behavior and global strategy are not identical to Nazi Germany’s ideology or conduct.
Analogy can help illustrate concerns, but it can also oversimplify important differences.

“Every Chinese ship built to military standards”: overstated
There is evidence China promotes “military-civil fusion,” meaning civilian infrastructure and ships can support military operations.

But:

  • not every commercial vessel is literally a warship-quality platform,
  • the claim that “every Chinese flag-bearing ship could threaten a destroyer with drones” is speculative.
China does have:

  • maritime militia fleets,
  • dual-use logistics,
  • large commercial shipbuilding capacity,
  • growing unmanned systems capability.
Those are real strategic concerns.

Taiwan invasion assumptions: speculative
You said:

“The Chinese will land on the northern side…”
That is military speculation, not established fact.

Analysts debate possible invasion scenarios:

  • blockade,
  • missile strikes,
  • cyber attacks,
  • airborne assaults,
  • amphibious landings,
  • seizure of outlying islands.
Northern Taiwan is one possibility, but Taiwan’s terrain and beaches make amphibious assault extremely difficult.

“The US is deleting its missile stockpile” because of the Middle East: misleading
The U.S. has used large numbers of interceptors and munitions in conflicts involving:

  • the Red Sea,
  • Houthis,
  • Ukraine support,
  • broader Middle East operations.
But “deleting its stockpile” is exaggerated language.

There are genuine concerns among U.S. defense analysts about:

  • industrial production rates,
  • replenishment speed,
  • munitions shortages in a prolonged Pacific conflict.
That concern is real.

Bottom line
Your overall thesis is not fringe:

  • China has become much more militarily assertive,
  • it has territorial disputes with many neighbors,
  • it has rapidly expanded naval and missile capabilities,
  • Taiwan is a genuine geopolitical flashpoint,
  • many countries in the Indo-Pacific are increasingly worried about Chinese coercion.
Where your post becomes less factual and more speculative is:

  • assumptions about exact invasion plans,
  • inevitability of surprise attack,
  • claims about all civilian ships being military-capable,
  • some comparisons to Nazi Germany,
  • certainty about future war outcomes.
So the core concerns are grounded in reality, but some conclusions go beyond what can currently be proven.
 

GeeBeeP

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I did a little research and this is what I found:

Your description of “ramming tactics” and coercive maritime behavior is broadly supported by reporting from multiple governments and international observers.

Taiwan: Xi Jinping’s statements
Correct. Xi Jinping has repeatedly stated that Taiwan is part of China and that “reunification” is a goal. China has not ruled out the use of force.

However:

  • Beijing officially still says it prefers “peaceful reunification.”
  • Whether China intends to invade soon is debated among analysts.
Hong Kong comparison: partially accurate but simplified
Your point about Hong Kong reflects real developments:

  • after the 2019 protests, Beijing imposed the National Security Law,
  • opposition politicians and activists were arrested or disqualified,
  • electoral rules were changed to ensure “patriots” govern Hong Kong.
So concerns in Taiwan about losing political freedoms under Beijing are very real and widely documented.

But calling all current officials “puppets” is more political characterization than objective fact.

“China has built a bigger fleet than the USA”: needs clarification
This is one of the most important nuances.

By number of ships, China’s navy is now larger than the U.S. Navy. This is widely acknowledged, including by the U.S. Department of Defense.

However:

  • the U.S. Navy still has major advantages in:
    • aircraft carriers,
    • nuclear submarines,
    • global logistics,
    • combat experience,
    • tonnage,
    • power projection.
So “bigger fleet” is true numerically, but it does not automatically mean militarily superior overall.

“China turned into an arms factory like Nazi Germany”: partially true analogy, but limited
China has massively expanded:

  • shipbuilding,
  • missile production,
  • drones,
  • naval modernization,
  • industrial capacity.
And China’s civilian shipbuilding industry is indeed closely linked to military capability.

But comparisons to Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany should be made carefully:

  • Germany under Hitler explicitly pursued rapid territorial conquest and world war.
  • China is certainly more assertive and militarily expansionist in some regions, but its behavior and global strategy are not identical to Nazi Germany’s ideology or conduct.
Analogy can help illustrate concerns, but it can also oversimplify important differences.

“Every Chinese ship built to military standards”: overstated
There is evidence China promotes “military-civil fusion,” meaning civilian infrastructure and ships can support military operations.

But:

  • not every commercial vessel is literally a warship-quality platform,
  • the claim that “every Chinese flag-bearing ship could threaten a destroyer with drones” is speculative.
China does have:

  • maritime militia fleets,
  • dual-use logistics,
  • large commercial shipbuilding capacity,
  • growing unmanned systems capability.
Those are real strategic concerns.

Taiwan invasion assumptions: speculative
You said:


That is military speculation, not established fact.

Analysts debate possible invasion scenarios:

  • blockade,
  • missile strikes,
  • cyber attacks,
  • airborne assaults,
  • amphibious landings,
  • seizure of outlying islands.
Northern Taiwan is one possibility, but Taiwan’s terrain and beaches make amphibious assault extremely difficult.

“The US is deleting its missile stockpile” because of the Middle East: misleading
The U.S. has used large numbers of interceptors and munitions in conflicts involving:

  • the Red Sea,
  • Houthis,
  • Ukraine support,
  • broader Middle East operations.
But “deleting its stockpile” is exaggerated language.

There are genuine concerns among U.S. defense analysts about:

  • industrial production rates,
  • replenishment speed,
  • munitions shortages in a prolonged Pacific conflict.
That concern is real.

Bottom line
Your overall thesis is not fringe:

  • China has become much more militarily assertive,
  • it has territorial disputes with many neighbors,
  • it has rapidly expanded naval and missile capabilities,
  • Taiwan is a genuine geopolitical flashpoint,
  • many countries in the Indo-Pacific are increasingly worried about Chinese coercion.
Where your post becomes less factual and more speculative is:

  • assumptions about exact invasion plans,
  • inevitability of surprise attack,
  • claims about all civilian ships being military-capable,
  • some comparisons to Nazi Germany,
  • certainty about future war outcomes.
So the core concerns are grounded in reality, but some conclusions go beyond what can currently be proven.
My left field theory about China’s ambitions in the long run is that Russia is a far more attractive and necessary territory than any other.

Russia has the resources. oil, natural gas, minerals, timber, fresh water etc..., that China needs. Also more liveable and arable land as China gets hotter and looses some growing regions and inhabitable coastlines of its own.

Russia is conveniently located and already beholden to China for its stability as Putin fucks up their economy and needs Chinese support. In 50-100 years Russia will essentially be a vassal state to the Chinese super power if not part of its territory.

The Chinese look at Russia the way the MAGA crowd see Canada. (Lets face it, from a purely economic and resource perspective Russia is basically Canada with nukes and a drinking problem)
 
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I did a little research and this is what I found:

Your description of “ramming tactics” and coercive maritime behavior is broadly supported by reporting from multiple governments and international observers.

Taiwan: Xi Jinping’s statements
Correct. Xi Jinping has repeatedly stated that Taiwan is part of China and that “reunification” is a goal. China has not ruled out the use of force.

However:

  • Beijing officially still says it prefers “peaceful reunification.”
  • Whether China intends to invade soon is debated among analysts.
Hong Kong comparison: partially accurate but simplified
Your point about Hong Kong reflects real developments:

  • after the 2019 protests, Beijing imposed the National Security Law,
  • opposition politicians and activists were arrested or disqualified,
  • electoral rules were changed to ensure “patriots” govern Hong Kong.
So concerns in Taiwan about losing political freedoms under Beijing are very real and widely documented.

But calling all current officials “puppets” is more political characterization than objective fact.

“China has built a bigger fleet than the USA”: needs clarification
This is one of the most important nuances.

By number of ships, China’s navy is now larger than the U.S. Navy. This is widely acknowledged, including by the U.S. Department of Defense.

However:

  • the U.S. Navy still has major advantages in:
    • aircraft carriers,
    • nuclear submarines,
    • global logistics,
    • combat experience,
    • tonnage,
    • power projection.
So “bigger fleet” is true numerically, but it does not automatically mean militarily superior overall.

“China turned into an arms factory like Nazi Germany”: partially true analogy, but limited
China has massively expanded:

  • shipbuilding,
  • missile production,
  • drones,
  • naval modernization,
  • industrial capacity.
And China’s civilian shipbuilding industry is indeed closely linked to military capability.

But comparisons to Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany should be made carefully:

  • Germany under Hitler explicitly pursued rapid territorial conquest and world war.
  • China is certainly more assertive and militarily expansionist in some regions, but its behavior and global strategy are not identical to Nazi Germany’s ideology or conduct.
Analogy can help illustrate concerns, but it can also oversimplify important differences.

“Every Chinese ship built to military standards”: overstated
There is evidence China promotes “military-civil fusion,” meaning civilian infrastructure and ships can support military operations.

But:

  • not every commercial vessel is literally a warship-quality platform,
  • the claim that “every Chinese flag-bearing ship could threaten a destroyer with drones” is speculative.
China does have:

  • maritime militia fleets,
  • dual-use logistics,
  • large commercial shipbuilding capacity,
  • growing unmanned systems capability.
Those are real strategic concerns.

Taiwan invasion assumptions: speculative
You said:


That is military speculation, not established fact.

Analysts debate possible invasion scenarios:

  • blockade,
  • missile strikes,
  • cyber attacks,
  • airborne assaults,
  • amphibious landings,
  • seizure of outlying islands.
Northern Taiwan is one possibility, but Taiwan’s terrain and beaches make amphibious assault extremely difficult.

“The US is deleting its missile stockpile” because of the Middle East: misleading
The U.S. has used large numbers of interceptors and munitions in conflicts involving:

  • the Red Sea,
  • Houthis,
  • Ukraine support,
  • broader Middle East operations.
But “deleting its stockpile” is exaggerated language.

There are genuine concerns among U.S. defense analysts about:

  • industrial production rates,
  • replenishment speed,
  • munitions shortages in a prolonged Pacific conflict.
That concern is real.

Bottom line
Your overall thesis is not fringe:

  • China has become much more militarily assertive,
  • it has territorial disputes with many neighbors,
  • it has rapidly expanded naval and missile capabilities,
  • Taiwan is a genuine geopolitical flashpoint,
  • many countries in the Indo-Pacific are increasingly worried about Chinese coercion.
Where your post becomes less factual and more speculative is:

  • assumptions about exact invasion plans,
  • inevitability of surprise attack,
  • claims about all civilian ships being military-capable,
  • some comparisons to Nazi Germany,
  • certainty about future war outcomes.
So the core concerns are grounded in reality, but some conclusions go beyond what can currently be proven.
se7landrover97 said:
… one thing I don’t agree is China attacking Taiwan. Ain’t happening. China for the longest time has not attack or invade any country and it’s not about to do so.

If you read about the territory of Taiwan, the northern part of the island is most populated. There is a mountain range between the northern side and southern side. The southern side is tropical forest and home to local tribes. Go look at a map. If Invasion comes to Taiwan, it will be on the northern side to control the majority of the population. Also it makes logistics easier, instead of floating a supply convoy around to the southern side, where its time at sea it could become more easy to sink the ships, instead of a strait across route, where security of ships becomes easier and you use up less resource to protect them. Keep it simple. Also you don't want to fight a war over a mountain range. Doesn't mean you don't defend the southern part.

Hate to tell you but China is aggressive, it even went to war with Russian.. and lost big time....It has a habit of invading where no one is watching... Tibet, India, Russia, and Vietnam, all with various results.
In the last 20 years China has built an juggernault of a navy and land forces. Today it is drones and missile production that are the key to any conflict. the more sea-going platforms from fishing boats to ferries, means more launch platforms to launch drones at sea. The ferries are reenforced to hold tanks and other heavy vehicles. Contrary to a capitalist view of ships min metal/structural reinforcing, less cost to build the ship, when you build a ship to certain standards. The standards are now military standard for their ships. https://www.armyrecognition.com/new...artime-force-to-support-rapid-taiwan-invasion
Take a good read of this report. Since 2015 its been retrofiting civilian ships to military standards. If China is so peace loving, why would they do that, it cost money. Your better off building new contruction.
As for the US having bigger and better warships... Big warships are suspect to drones or mass drone waves. The first wave might be survivable, but not the second and third waves. As seen in the Ukraine war, sea drones are taking out Russian major ships in the Black sea. The US is at the end of a long supply chain to get ammunition and resupply from mainland USA. Its a long way to go, and its island bases in the Pacific are vulnerable to drone attacks. If these attack come from container ships with mass drone attack, Supply for any ship in the south China Sea becomes compromised.

So in the last 10 years what is the purpose of big fleet exercises right between mainland China and Taiwan. To intimidate Taiwan, China could hold those exercises any where else. Just like Russia used to hold big exercises near Ukraine before they invaded....

The comparison to Nazi Germany is how fast Germany rearmed itself and then started to throw its weight around in the international politics in Europe. Just like China is doing now. Germany was an internal/closed economy where the government paid the factories, the factories paid their employees, and the employees saved the money in the German banks and the government borrowed from the banks. It was circle that would eventually drown the German economy. Germany's money was used to buy foreign raw resources to keep their factories going. The German economy needed new input, and the easiest way was to go to war. First by intimidating its neighbours and second by invading.

Taiwans defense is:
-Railguns (Japan has a nice short ranged railgun)
-Laser weapons to fight drones swarms.
-Antidrone drones (like the Ukraine have)
-Anti-tank weapons for vehicles in the sea coming to land.
-Artillery for ships off shore.
-Fast motor torpedeo boats- Really suicide boats to go against a fleet of China's size.

What ships off the Taiwan coast need to be aware of is that China has 50 diesel subs and that is dangerous, cause they are moslty undetectable underwater and that is a problem in the South China Sea for US forces.
 
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