Even though I have not been to a northern reserve for years, I say
Fuck Yeah.
And tax the churches while we are at it, property taxes alone would probably half all the provincial budget deficits.
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Fuck Yeah.
And tax the churches while we are at it, property taxes alone would probably half all the provincial budget deficits.
You want to save real tax payer money? Tax religious organizations and corporations. The money give to reservations is a tiny fraction in comparison. Its just an easy target and low hanging fruit that is used to distract from the real places where tax money is wasted.
Also, its easy for the majority population to digest bashing of minorities for taxes wasted on a them, because its not personal and visible to the majority. But try bashing wasting of taxes on religion and it quickly becomes personal for people and they become defensive, no matter how much it makes sense.
[QUOTE="Neelsmith1234, post: 2890263, member: 119432"The money give to reservations is a tiny fraction in comparison[/QUOTE]
No. I hear this same argument every time I post about this stuff.
It's in the billions and it is well worth saving.
All the constant handouts achieve is perpetuate the dependency mindset.
We often hear of the clean drinking water issue. I was on a reserve that taxpayers spent millions installing a water and sewage treatment facility. A crew spent six months training people on the reserve to operate and maintain it. A year after the crew left the treatment plant was out of operation because nobody wanted to work on it. It literally fell apart.
The last visit I had there, there wasn't even clean water in the community centre. But Perimeter was flying up a pallet of PEPSI on my flight.
I have seen similar situations with fire engines. One place had a nice shiny truck brought up by rail. A year later it is no longer operable and all its windows are smashed and its tires are slashed.
I have seen firsthand band councillors using funds to take their own family to Disney World, NHL games and concerts.
The same councillor phones my boss monthly asking for "donations". We gave him a couple of things like a barbecue which ended up in his backyard here in Winnipeg. Hmmm. No more freebies buddy.
Of course it's not visible. Why do you think a lot of reserves won't even let non-members onto their reserves? Because the chief and council don't want us interfering with their brainwashing of their members.
"Bashing minorities"? It's their own leadership!
The reserve I was on, every house had broken windows, most houses had raw sewage from overflowing septic tanks.
And there's councillors living in big new houses in Winnipeg with a new 4x4 every year. They tell the band members all the problems are the settlers fault.
These reserves are hell on earth. Nothing to do, no jobs, no education, no running water or healthcare. They are breeding grounds for hate filled youths who make their way south,, where they have no way to get a job and end up surviving by working for or joining a gang. And then their problem becomes our problem.
For decades we have been looking the other way, or throwing money at the problem. And it has only worsened.
The last time I was there a lady from Winnipeg was with us and she had tears in her eyes on the way back. She said all those kids have no hope, none. We have created a generation of angry lost souls with no hope at all.
No. I hear this same argument every time I post about this stuff.
It's in the billions and it is well worth saving.
All the constant handouts achieve is perpetuate the dependency mindset.
We often hear of the clean drinking water issue. I was on a reserve that taxpayers spent millions installing a water and sewage treatment facility. A crew spent six months training people on the reserve to operate and maintain it. A year after the crew left the treatment plant was out of operation because nobody wanted to work on it. It literally fell apart.
The last visit I had there, there wasn't even clean water in the community centre. But Perimeter was flying up a pallet of PEPSI on my flight.
I have seen similar situations with fire engines. One place had a nice shiny truck brought up by rail. A year later it is no longer operable and all its windows are smashed and its tires are slashed.
I have seen firsthand band councillors using funds to take their own family to Disney World, NHL games and concerts.
The same councillor phones my boss monthly asking for "donations". We gave him a couple of things like a barbecue which ended up in his backyard here in Winnipeg. Hmmm. No more freebies buddy.
Yes it is an easy target but you don't seem motivated at all to do anything about it. You'd rather change the subject.
Of course it's not visible. Why do you think a lot of reserves won't even let non-members onto their reserves? Because the chief and council don't want us interfering with their brainwashing of their members.
"Bashing minorities"? It's their own leadership!
The reserve I was on, every house had broken windows, most houses had raw sewage from overflowing septic tanks.
And there's councillors living in big new houses in Winnipeg with a new 4x4 every year. They tell the band members all the problems are the settlers fault.
These reserves are hell on earth. Nothing to do, no jobs, no education, no running water or healthcare. They are breeding grounds for hate filled youths who make their way south,, where they have no way to get a job and end up surviving by working for or joining a gang. And then their problem becomes our problem.
For decades we have been looking the other way, or throwing money at the problem. And it has only worsened.
The last time I was there a lady from Winnipeg was with us and she had tears in her eyes on the way back. She said all those kids have no hope, none. We have created a generation of angry lost souls with no hope at all.
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No. I hear this same argument every time I post about this stuff.
It's in the billions and it is well worth saving.
All the constant handouts achieve is perpetuate the dependency mindset.
We often hear of the clean drinking water issue. I was on a reserve that taxpayers spent millions installing a water and sewage treatment facility. A crew spent six months training people on the reserve to operate and maintain it. A year after the crew left the treatment plant was out of operation because nobody wanted to work on it. It literally fell apart.
The last visit I had there, there wasn't even clean water in the community centre. But Perimeter was flying up a pallet of PEPSI on my flight.
I have seen similar situations with fire engines. One place had a nice shiny truck brought up by rail. A year later it is no longer operable and all its windows are smashed and its tires are slashed.
I have seen firsthand band councillors using funds to take their own family to Disney World, NHL games and concerts.
The same councillor phones my boss monthly asking for "donations". We gave him a couple of things like a barbecue which ended up in his backyard here in Winnipeg. Hmmm. No more freebies buddy.
Yes it is an easy target but you don't seem motivated at all to do anything about it. You'd rather change the subject.
Of course it's not visible. Why do you think a lot of reserves won't even let non-members onto their reserves? Because the chief and council don't want us interfering with their brainwashing of their members.
"Bashing minorities"? It's their own leadership!
The reserve I was on, every house had broken windows, most houses had raw sewage from overflowing septic tanks.
And there's councillors living in big new houses in Winnipeg with a new 4x4 every year. They tell the band members all the problems are the settlers fault.
These reserves are hell on earth. Nothing to do, no jobs, no education, no running water or healthcare. They are breeding grounds for hate filled youths who make their way south,, where they have no way to get a job and end up surviving by working for or joining a gang. And then their problem becomes our problem.
For decades we have been looking the other way, or throwing money at the problem. And it has only worsened.
The last time I was there a lady from Winnipeg was with us and she had tears in her eyes on the way back. She said all those kids have no hope, none. We have created a generation of angry lost souls with no hope at all.
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Im not saying ignore it. But attention given to something should be proportional to impact. If you have a bleeding cut in your hand and a terrible headache, you deal with both. But the bleeding cuts needs more attention. Obsessing about saving a few billions on something while ignoring bleeding hundreds of billions on other things does not make sense.
The legal implementation of the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (UNDRIP) in Canada differs primarily in scope and speed between the federal and provincial governments, with British Columbia (BC) providing the most direct legislative model, while the federal government operates through a broader, national framework. While the federal UNDRIP Act (Bill C-15) only imposes obligations on the federal government, BC's Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples Act (DRIPA) mandates the alignment of all provincial laws with the declaration.
Federal Government Implementation (Directness: Process-Oriented)
The Act (Bill C-15): Passed in June 2021, the federal Act does not directly incorporate UNDRIP into domestic law, but rather acts as a "framework for reconciliation".
Method: It requires the government to take all "measures necessary" to ensure federal laws are consistent with UNDRIP in consultation with Indigenous peoples.
Focus: It establishes a mandatory Action Plan and annual reporting to Parliament.
Scope: It applies only to federal jurisdiction, though it influences the interpretation of both federal and provincial law, as Canadian courts often use international declarations as interpretive tools.
Provincial Government Implementation (Directness: Varied)
British Columbia (Proactive): Passed in 2019, BC's DRIPA is the most direct implementation, requiring the province to bring all laws, policies, and practices into alignment with UNDRIP. It specifically allows for joint and consent-based decision-making agreements with Indigenous governing bodies (Sections 6 and 7).
Northwest Territories (Emerging): In 2023, the NWT became the second jurisdiction to pass UNDRIP implementation legislation (Bill 85), similar to the federal model.
Other Provinces: Most other provinces have not passed dedicated, direct legislation, often opting for sectoral projects or relying on existing consultation frameworks.
Key Differences in Implementation
Alignment Trigger: BC legislation specifically mandates the "alignment" of provincial laws (Section 3), while the federal Act focuses more broadly on the "process" of aligning laws through an action plan.
Consent Mechanism: BC’s act includes explicit mechanisms for negotiation and consent-based decisions on land and resources, which is more direct than the federal framework.
Court Interpretation: Although the federal Act technically only binds the federal government, the Supreme Court of Canada has indicated that UNDRIP has been incorporated into "the country's domestic positive law". This suggests that legal consequences might be applied more broadly to provinces by courts, regardless of whether a province has passed its own law.
Accountability: BC legislation requires regular reporting to its legislative assembly to monitor progress (Section 5).
While only BC and NWT have passed specific legislation, the Truth and Reconciliation Commission calls for all levels of government to adopt UNDRIP as the framework for reconciliation.
The B.C. Conservatives have pledged to bring down the government whenever possible and have said they plan to repeal DRIPA.
Defer to federal legislation on UNDRIP and repeal DRIPA, ASAP.
While we're at it, repeal all of Britain's aboriginal treaties in Canada for current Canadian federal legislation. Defunct treaties framed on royalty giving chiefs the same absolute power kings enjoyed 2 centuries ago. For fighting Britain's unjust, avoidable wars, colony diaspora and rusty diesel submarines, we owe Britain nothing but the English language.
Federal Government Implementation (Directness: Process-Oriented)
The Act (Bill C-15): Passed in June 2021, the federal Act does not directly incorporate UNDRIP into domestic law, but rather acts as a "framework for reconciliation".
Method: It requires the government to take all "measures necessary" to ensure federal laws are consistent with UNDRIP in consultation with Indigenous peoples.
Focus: It establishes a mandatory Action Plan and annual reporting to Parliament.
Scope: It applies only to federal jurisdiction, though it influences the interpretation of both federal and provincial law, as Canadian courts often use international declarations as interpretive tools.
Provincial Government Implementation (Directness: Varied)
British Columbia (Proactive): Passed in 2019, BC's DRIPA is the most direct implementation, requiring the province to bring all laws, policies, and practices into alignment with UNDRIP. It specifically allows for joint and consent-based decision-making agreements with Indigenous governing bodies (Sections 6 and 7).
Northwest Territories (Emerging): In 2023, the NWT became the second jurisdiction to pass UNDRIP implementation legislation (Bill 85), similar to the federal model.
Other Provinces: Most other provinces have not passed dedicated, direct legislation, often opting for sectoral projects or relying on existing consultation frameworks.
Key Differences in Implementation
Alignment Trigger: BC legislation specifically mandates the "alignment" of provincial laws (Section 3), while the federal Act focuses more broadly on the "process" of aligning laws through an action plan.
Consent Mechanism: BC’s act includes explicit mechanisms for negotiation and consent-based decisions on land and resources, which is more direct than the federal framework.
Court Interpretation: Although the federal Act technically only binds the federal government, the Supreme Court of Canada has indicated that UNDRIP has been incorporated into "the country's domestic positive law". This suggests that legal consequences might be applied more broadly to provinces by courts, regardless of whether a province has passed its own law.
Accountability: BC legislation requires regular reporting to its legislative assembly to monitor progress (Section 5).
While only BC and NWT have passed specific legislation, the Truth and Reconciliation Commission calls for all levels of government to adopt UNDRIP as the framework for reconciliation.
The B.C. Conservatives have pledged to bring down the government whenever possible and have said they plan to repeal DRIPA.
Defer to federal legislation on UNDRIP and repeal DRIPA, ASAP.
While we're at it, repeal all of Britain's aboriginal treaties in Canada for current Canadian federal legislation. Defunct treaties framed on royalty giving chiefs the same absolute power kings enjoyed 2 centuries ago. For fighting Britain's unjust, avoidable wars, colony diaspora and rusty diesel submarines, we owe Britain nothing but the English language.
