2025 Canadian Political Thread

[Larry's Torch]

Virtually all of the "solutions" being tossed out there are 5-25 years in the making.
Also I find it a bit much that people are blaming the current administration for shit that has been going on for several decades.
We've become complacent and overly reliant on our "neighbour" to the south and now we need to figure a way to improve our situation.
We don't plan, we react.
I gave up on politics more than 40 years ago. If things work out, I'll probably retire over seas.

 

[thevalleydude]

Well we are in big big trouble ....not immediately but quite possibly on July 1 2026 when KUSMA expires. If the US cuts a separate deal with Mexico during the next 90 days they can cut Canada out of it and the 85% of goods covered by the Free Trade agreement will be all subject to tariffs. Carney has really fucked this up but he is not the only one. It appears that Polievre did as well as apparently efforts to connect with him by Trump and Trump Jr. were ignored and basically rejected by the Conservative Party...perhaps scared of the backlash if seen as supporting Trump.....and they may have been even less likely to make a deal with the Conservatives unless Pierre polished up his buttering up skills.

 

[80watts]

Well we are in big big trouble ....not immediately but quite possibly on July 1 2026 when KUSMA expires. If the US cuts a separate deal with Mexico during the next 90 days they can cut Canada out of it and the 85% of goods covered by the Free Trade agreement will be all subject to tariffs. Carney has really fucked this up but he is not the only one. It appears that Polievre did as well as apparently efforts to connect with him by Trump and Trump Jr. were ignored and basically rejected by the Conservative Party...perhaps scared of the backlash if seen as supporting Trump.....and they may have been even less likely to make a deal with the Conservatives unless Pierre polished up his buttering up skills.

I watched that video, the guy making the video dosen't have a clue on how politics work. Near the end the guy puts out his true feelings about Maga, which it sounds like he is for Maga.
For the conservatives, staying away from any Maga and Trump and Vance stuff, would of been shooting points for Liberals in an election. Since the 51 state comment by Trump, any relation to trump and maga or Vance would of been a negative for Canadian voters. The conservatives have tried to downplay any Maga connections, but of course they have conservatives that like the maga platform.

Very simple equation to follow:
Trump = Maga = Vance

So with denying Trump Jr a chance to connect with Poilievre, means the conservatives are not tied to Trump.

One way to look at Maga is the governing body in the book Handmaidens Tail, where women are controlled by the state to produce children, and use religion to bind their subjects into submission. Basicly they are guys that want an Totalitarianism state. This really is when that "Karen"/busybody gets to have her way by calling in the modern day Gestapo....

Pretty much with the "Roe vs Wade" being over turned, by the US supreme court, the separation of state and religion is not separate anymore. So being biased by religious belief is affecting US laws.

80 years after WW2 and the genocide committed by Nazis, the world is seeing the rise of Totalitarianism and dictatorships that will affect World peace. The US is being driven apart (talk of civil war) and America will not be able to fight a war on 2 fronts. It can't fight a war in Europe and one in the South China Sea over Taiwan.

The US is being very short-sighted with its alienating of INDIA. India could be an ally in any war with China. After all China' s has a border dispute with India. This is the reason India has been rearming and updating its armed forces. Pls note that during WW2 it was India that kept the UK from going under. India is where the America corporations are going to from China, because of China's policies.

 

[thevalleydude]

I watched that video, the guy making the video dosen't have a clue on how politics work. Near the end the guy puts out his true feelings about Maga, which it sounds like he is for Maga.
For the conservatives, staying away from any Maga and Trump and Vance stuff, would of been shooting points for Liberals in an election. Since the 51 state comment by Trump, any relation to trump and maga or Vance would of been a negative for Canadian voters. The conservatives have tried to downplay any Maga connections, but of course they have conservatives that like the maga platform.

Very simple equation to follow:
Trump = Maga = Vance

So with denying Trump Jr a chance to connect with Poilievre, means the conservatives are not tied to Trump.

One way to look at Maga is the governing body in the book Handmaidens Tail, where women are controlled by the state to produce children, and use religion to bind their subjects into submission. Basicly they are guys that want an Totalitarianism state. This really is when that "Karen"/busybody gets to have her way by calling in the modern day Gestapo....

Pretty much with the "Roe vs Wade" being over turned, by the US supreme court, the separation of state and religion is not separate anymore. So being biased by religious belief is affecting US laws.

80 years after WW2 and the genocide committed by Nazis, the world is seeing the rise of Totalitarianism and dictatorships that will affect World peace. The US is being driven apart (talk of civil war) and America will not be able to fight a war on 2 fronts. It can't fight a war in Europe and one in the South China Sea over Taiwan.

The US is being very short-sighted with its alienating of INDIA. India could be an ally in any war with China. After all China' s has a border dispute with India. This is the reason India has been rearming and updating its armed forces. Pls note that during WW2 it was India that kept the UK from going under. India is where the America corporations are going to from China, because of China's policies.

Well the point actually is.....by cutting a side deal with Mexico then on July 12026 everything covered by CUSMA will probably be subject to tariffs and it is unlikely that the deal will be renewed under favorable terms to Canada. I don't really care about the other shit. Its probably why when Carney approached Mexico to cut a deal they sent him packing.

 

[Harmony-bc]

I could never be a politician. I’m not that good at sucking up or being two faced.

Who cares what the USA does? They’re like those greasy guys that try to contact me for a deal. I for one don’t care if we ever strike a deal with Trump. Hopefully his dictatorship will be over in 3 years and we’ll be self sufficient and independent from their bullshit. And the next president won’t implement tariffs over personal grudges. Seriously fuck Trump. I’m glad carney doesn’t kiss his ass.

 

[licks2nite]

Infrastructure investment key to B.C.'s prosperity

...funding the critical services British Columbians rely on–health care, education, social services and addictions treatment–hinges on a renewed commitment to infrastructure development.

Redirecting even a 10 per cent share of trade away from the U.S. would necessitate significant increases in goods leaving the country by ports and airports.

...means investing in marine and air infrastructure, and strengthening our east-west rail, road and intermodal capacity.

...strategic infrastructure investments, particularly in marine and air capacities, can directly contribute to Canada's ability to meet its NATO target of five per cent GDP on defence spending by 2035, as robust supply chains and export capabilities are integral to national security and economic strength.

...challenges outlined in the Scotiabank report, such as the estimated $15-$21.5 billion investment required for marine ports in the next 15 years...

Greater Vancouver Board of Trade highlights the critical shortage of industrial land in the Lower Mainland. Without sufficient space for logistics, warehousing, and processing, our ability to expand port and rail operations, and thus our export capacity will be severely constrained.

https://www.biv.com/news/commentary/opinion-infrastructure-investment-key-to-bcs-prosperity-11048042

Means expanding Port of Prince Rupert. If you've ever seen the tiny grain terminal from the passing BC Ferry you get a feel of how much work needs to be done. Doesn't need to be all in one community. Probably dozens of suitable sites for niche industry up and down the east coast of Vancouver Island and Powell River especially for something like ferry construction. The hope of selling enough real estate to immigrants to pay for social programs doesn't work when the immigrants need to to take out mortgages. Not to mention blowing the opportunity of filling new construction with made in Canada components. And BC youths need comparable shops in every high school. Folks need to interested in what they’re doing.

 

[Harmony-bc]

This is why Trump gave us 35% tariffs. We can’t negotiate with them on their terms. Fuck Trump. We’ll get by just fine without the USA. Yes some industries will suffer short term. But long term, we’ll all be better off. You should never chase a bullies money.

Carney’s statement on Gaza

 

[80watts]

The banks and lending institutions need to get in line and help. Without their help to support important projects Canada will have to go else where to find funding.
Without a more robust economy, taxes don't come in. Just digging up minerals/oil and giving them away (even at market price) dosen't leave Canada in a good position for the future.
The Norwegian oil company paid off debts/wages and any profit made was taxed at over 85% and that is now a Trillion dollar fund (gov could only take 4% of interest made off the taxes, in any year). We could start the same for here in Canada; Using tax on oil to reinvest in Canadian Projects that will make money. High speed trains, loans for greenhouses (so we become food independant) from California and to add for solar/wind/hydro power.

Some rules on how we tax minerals/oil in our country have to change to support future generations without bankrupting Canada.

The biggest thing we need to do is cut the luxury things outs ...... Buy a truck mid grade, not one with all the bells and whistles....

The next few years will be tight as our economy changes structure. People on welfare will be forced to find work.

Canada needs trades: Electrician, Plumber, carpenter, roofers, drywallers, heavy equipment operators, mechanics etc. Also need vehicle construction, from cdn steel, aluminum etc.

 

[80watts]

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2016/as-sa/98-200-x/2016016/98-200-x2016016-eng.cfm

Nice CHART!!!

There are more Chinese, Italians, German, Irish, French, Scottish,and English people in Canada. But 11 million consider themselves Canadian.

 

[80watts]

The beginning of the end of something??

 

[carvesg]

I watched that video, the guy making the video dosen't have a clue on how politics work. Near the end the guy puts out his true feelings about Maga, which it sounds like he is for Maga.
For the conservatives, staying away from any Maga and Trump and Vance stuff, would of been shooting points for Liberals in an election. Since the 51 state comment by Trump, any relation to trump and maga or Vance would of been a negative for Canadian voters. The conservatives have tried to downplay any Maga connections, but of course they have conservatives that like the maga platform.

Very simple equation to follow:
Trump = Maga = Vance

So with denying Trump Jr a chance to connect with Poilievre, means the conservatives are not tied to Trump.

One way to look at Maga is the governing body in the book Handmaidens Tail, where women are controlled by the state to produce children, and use religion to bind their subjects into submission. Basicly they are guys that want an Totalitarianism state. This really is when that "Karen"/busybody gets to have her way by calling in the modern day Gestapo....

Pretty much with the "Roe vs Wade" being over turned, by the US supreme court, the separation of state and religion is not separate anymore. So being biased by religious belief is affecting US laws.

80 years after WW2 and the genocide committed by Nazis, the world is seeing the rise of Totalitarianism and dictatorships that will affect World peace. The US is being driven apart (talk of civil war) and America will not be able to fight a war on 2 fronts. It can't fight a war in Europe and one in the South China Sea over Taiwan.

The US is being very short-sighted with its alienating of INDIA. India could be an ally in any war with China. After all China' s has a border dispute with India. This is the reason India has been rearming and updating its armed forces. Pls note that during WW2 it was India that kept the UK from going under. India is where the America corporations are going to from China, because of China's policies.

Agreed

Slight correction about the UK not going under ... It was not India alone that kept it from going under since Canada was their biggest financial backer and armament supplier at the unset of the war ... surpassed by the US afterwards. India supplied the biggest volunteer army ever assembled though well over 2 million men if i recall to shore up the Asian continent .

 

[80watts]

A positive thing for Canada. Interesting things about the Red River Valley. That ancient lake goes into Saskatchewan.

 

[80watts]

How is it that when you are successful, you get punished by taxes? Seems to be a growing trend to find resources for government. If you invest in property and rent it out, the taxes will come, even here in Canada it has happened. Its almost like the government is purposely trying to prevent people from succeeding .

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/oth...S&cvid=8e0d633e956849ba977d0035931933d9&ei=33

 

[licks2nite]

Canada’s largest shipyard ramps up fight against BC Ferries’ China deal

The largest shipyard in Canada is criticizing BC Ferries for a flawed procurement process it says was tilted from the start to award new ship construction contracts to the government of China.

Davie shipyard, the oldest and highest-capacity shipyard in the country, says BC Ferries never gave Canadian builders a real chance at competing for the billion-dollar contract to build four new large ships.

“Davie made considerable efforts to balance the procurement criteria by requesting recognition of Canadian content and innovation-proposals that B.C. Ferries summarily rejected.

“Due to the inherent price disadvantage caused by massive state subsidies for Chinese shipyards, coupled with low wages, weak environmental standards, and minimal labour protections, no Canadian or Western shipyard could reasonably compete, leaving us with no choice but to withdraw.”

BC Ferries has faced national backlash for its decision to contract with a state-owned Chinese shipyard at a time when China is attacking Canada’s economy with crippling economic tariffs, faces accusations of interfering in Canadian elections...

The deal also undermines federal and provincial pledges to build critical infrastructure in Canada, and longstanding promises to grow a domestic shipbuilding industry.

North Vancouver-based Seaspan, the country’s other major shipbuilder, has already echoed many of the concerns in the Davie letter, including that the design of BC Ferries’ procurement did not place enough emphasis on Canadian industry and left it unable to compete with the ultra-low costs of countries with lesser labour standards...

“It increasingly appears BC Ferries deliberately structured the bidding process in a way so that Canadian companies — who had the capability to build the ships — had no chance of being selected,” North Island-Powell River MP Aaron Gunn posted on social media.

https://www.biv.com/news/commentary...-fight-against-bc-ferries-china-deal-11064288

Radio commentary today a caller demanding BC Ferries board of directors be dismissed.

 

[80watts]

Sounds like Carney is fucking over Canadians for his own profit.

 

[80watts]

Canada’s largest shipyard ramps up fight against BC Ferries’ China deal

The largest shipyard in Canada is criticizing BC Ferries for a flawed procurement process it says was tilted from the start to award new ship construction contracts to the government of China.

Davie shipyard, the oldest and highest-capacity shipyard in the country, says BC Ferries never gave Canadian builders a real chance at competing for the billion-dollar contract to build four new large ships.

“Davie made considerable efforts to balance the procurement criteria by requesting recognition of Canadian content and innovation-proposals that B.C. Ferries summarily rejected.

“Due to the inherent price disadvantage caused by massive state subsidies for Chinese shipyards, coupled with low wages, weak environmental standards, and minimal labour protections, no Canadian or Western shipyard could reasonably compete, leaving us with no choice but to withdraw.”

BC Ferries has faced national backlash for its decision to contract with a state-owned Chinese shipyard at a time when China is attacking Canada’s economy with crippling economic tariffs, faces accusations of interfering in Canadian elections...

The deal also undermines federal and provincial pledges to build critical infrastructure in Canada, and longstanding promises to grow a domestic shipbuilding industry.

North Vancouver-based Seaspan, the country’s other major shipbuilder, has already echoed many of the concerns in the Davie letter, including that the design of BC Ferries’ procurement did not place enough emphasis on Canadian industry and left it unable to compete with the ultra-low costs of countries with lesser labour standards...

“It increasingly appears BC Ferries deliberately structured the bidding process in a way so that Canadian companies — who had the capability to build the ships — had no chance of being selected,” North Island-Powell River MP Aaron Gunn posted on social media.

https://www.biv.com/news/commentary...-fight-against-bc-ferries-china-deal-11064288

Radio commentary today a caller demanding BC Ferries board of directors be dismissed.

Supernatural BC... Keep Canada clean and carbon free.... (BS)

Ok look at any shipyard on the west coast that is now gone. Building over these places where toxic materials and waste were dumped. Soil contamination due to the chemicals that were used.
The shipbuilding industry was killed in the late 60s and early 70s, due to rise of Japan in the 70s and Korea in the 80s. These countries had the political will to keep their industries strong and put product out to the world.

Could Canada have done the same thing? Maybe. But Canadians are short sighted and very stupid when it comes to the future of their country.

The Canadian government (civil servants) are related to almost 400 families from around the time of WW2 (see book on Canada PM during WW2). These civil servants control the way the government does things. Pls don't give me shit about that is not true. Ultimately the Fed government is controlled also by lobbyists which are under the control of those said same families. Point being the Carney and Trudeau families. So when they are elected they have policies that benefit them, not Canadians. See above video about brookfield and Carneys build program...

IN Canada about 50-60 % of your take home money goes either to:
a. bank or
b. government.

Doesn't leave you much to raise a family etc. If you look at the taxation laws and such all them favour to some degree the rich and old money. New money is taxed outright and in capital gains outside your primary residence. Look at today when renting is more expensive then owning. But other things have grown to make it unachievable for a person to buy and expand his personal wealth. Capital gain on houses. The other house tax (full price) for any 2nd house, the need to pay taxes on income from the house etc.
The Fed gov cut GST from 7 to 5 %. Raised capital gains tax. also new guidelines for capital gains for houses.

Back to Davie, a ship building company that depends on fed gov contracts to survive. The only other shipbuilder is Irving (built own ship to haul his oil). Between the 2 companies Davie build shit ships (look at the 1990s CPF program).

IN the 70 and 80 Canada was a small company towns. The company supported the town, the town produced people qualified to work (schooling was directed towards the company) in one particular industry. In the 80,90 and 2000 these company towns failed and the town looked for new resource of income. People moved away to bigger cities. By 2010, logging industry was owned by a few big companies and gold mining dominated by 1 company in Canada.

So for the last 30 years schools have not been making tradesmen. In the 80 it was the computer that was the future. Now robotics take over most manufacturing processes.

Canada is 40 years behind on industrialization.

So with China come cheaper boats and less money the taxpayer has to pay for those ships.
BC Ferries is saving money, but now due to public outcry BC Ferries will have to cancel the boats and pay a Canadian company more money, for less boat.

Kinda like when the liberals cancelled the E101 helocopter, they ended up paying more. Hows that for stupid politicians and the dumb fuck public paying more in taxes for afford the fuckup.

Everybody has their own agendas. Carney has his. The federal civil service has theirs, and the public gets fucked over by paying more taxes because of stupid people thinking they were smart. People/citizens need to take their heads out of their asses......

 

[licks2nite]

Critics want to “tie federal support to reforms that ensure new development pays its fair share for growth-related amenities, transit and public services.”

The development industry has been documenting for years that municipalities have been extracting far too much in the name of growth-related costs from new construction as a way of absolving other property taxpayers (voters) from picking up their own fair share.

https://www.biv.com/news/commentary...lopers-risk-deepening-housing-crisis-11092091

For the way federal government inundates Canada with new comers I don't expect rate payers to support amenity upgrades for local construction.

 

[80watts]

Critics want to “tie federal support to reforms that ensure new development pays its fair share for growth-related amenities, transit and public services.”

The development industry has been documenting for years that municipalities have been extracting far too much in the name of growth-related costs from new construction as a way of absolving other property taxpayers (voters) from picking up their own fair share.

https://www.biv.com/news/commentary...lopers-risk-deepening-housing-crisis-11092091

For the way federal government inundates Canada with new comers I don't expect rate payers to support amenity upgrades for local construction.

The original federal tax on gas (1970s) was to maintain and build roads. There fore the fed gov should fork out the money for transportation cost in a community. Roads, buses and rapid transport.

 

[Tammyr]

As someone who's been in business since a teenager and been doing business now for 20+ years and work with M&A lawyers all over the world, I think people in Canada are really unaware of just how bad things are about to get.

To say that Canada is in a bad position would be a gross understatement. As for how politics plays into it, I've always been agnostic to political parties and I'm focused more on what's likely to produce results. Think of things from this point of view:

Rather than listening to any specific politician, list all the policies that group A will provide. Not their lip service, the actual plan, with specifics, with details. Show me who will be doing what and how? Then, use a level of intelligence and rational mechanisms to determine the viability of the plan. Also consider how it will fit into the grand scheme of things. When someone makes a promise to do A, there is a reaction or an effect on B and C and D. How will those effect people and does it make things better or worse in the country.

The other factor is that even if Party A or B makes a claim to do something, will they actually even do it?

Imagine dating someone and saying, "I'm going to be the partner who will take care of all the bills and provide a stable home." Someone agrees to go out with me, and then on day one, I'm making the other person pay for the bill, or we split the bill, or I pay for the bill, but I'm secretly stealing you and your family's jewelry, pawing it off and using that money to pay for dinner.

Anyway, there is no hope for Canada economically. The country cannot tax its citizens into success. Selling real estate isn't the answer either. The country has to produce and provide value higher than the amount of money that it spends. The country also needs to be an attractive place for people to want to do business. If it's not, they will go elsewhere. At the moment, that's exactly what's happening right now, in a big way.


The main problem in Canada is like a student who borrowed money to go to med school, accumulated massive debt, and then flunked out of med school. Now, the student has med school sized debt, but no ability to earn the necessary money to pay it back. Instead of being responsible and finding a solution, they started borrowing money from other people to support their coke habit and they're now old, beat up, in poor health, with massive amounts of debt that's only getting worse.
Put it this way, if Canada was a person, you wouldn't invest in them, you'd perhaps feel sorry for them, standing on the corner with a tin can and a cardboard sign.

 

[licks2nite]

OTTAWA — Prime Minister Mark Carney says Canada is dropping some retaliatory tariffs on American products to match U.S. tariff exemptions for goods covered under the Canada-United States-Mexico Agreement.

https://www.biv.com/news/carney-ann...many-retaliatory-tariffs-on-us-goods-11112177

See your orange juice price go down while supply chain disruptions adjust or not.