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The shame of it is Trudeau’s govt would be more than happy to shut the oil industry down...
I find this hysterically funny because oil and gas production is at an all-time high, and Trudeau accomplished something Harper/Poilievre/Kenney couldn't during their 10 years in power: Get a tidewater pipeline approved and built.

However, Trudeau is smart enough to understand that there is a transition to renewable energy and electric cars---something conservatives are still hiding their heads in the sand about.
 

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BORROWING, DOUBLING THE DEBT WITH NO REAL BENEFIT IN LESS THEN 8 YEARS ISN'T AN ACCOMPLISHMENT

I'm laughing derisively because prior to the pandemic, two Conservative regimes were responsible for most of the federal debt.

Mulroney ran up $450 billion. Harper ran up $160 billion.

In fact, Harper inherited surplus budgets from the Liberals, and promptly flipped them into a string of huge deficits. And he didn't even have a pandemic to deal with.

Trudeau's spending to support the economy during the pandemic has resulted in a number of accomplishments.

Lowest Covid death rate in the first world (~1/3rd US and UK rate).

Record low unemployment. Highest workforce participation rate ever. Really great GDP growth compared to rest of G7.

I don't know exactly why conservatives are so often wrong. Maybe they just believe whatever they're told. Or maybe they enjoy being wrong.

Either way, it's why I rarely take them seriously.
 

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If they really cared about the global climate we would be exporting all the LNG we possibly could to the Asian markets, they are still bringing coal fired generation plants 2 per week on line over there our gas could help clean that up. Quebec gets its majority funding from Alberta fossil fuels yet wants no pipelines instead using tankers for Saudi Oil, how stupid. We should be self sufficient and sell our fuel to the globe we could be debt free in short order, something is amiss profits are being made at the country’s expense.
We are just a small player in the global game, I erased all the ships except for the tankers on the global shipping app, there are billions of barrels transiting the planet, Canada could do something positive in all this instead of shooting ourselves in both feet.

1. Asia builds coal-fired plants because coal is cheap. If they wanted to build gas-fired plants, there is lots of gas available in the area. Have you heard of Qatar? There is nothing special about Canadian gas that makes people want to buy it over cheaper suppliers.

2. Quebec receives Federal transfer payments that are funded by the income tax all Canadians pay. Alberta doesn't pay a dime to Quebec.

3. Quebec is supplied by pipelines from the US (which buys 90% of our crude exports). The only buyer of Saudi crude is the Conservative-supporting Irving family of New Brunswick. The have said they buy Saudi spot crude because it's cheaper, and would continue to do so with a west-east pipeline. Google it.


4. Refiners buy the cheapest crude available to them. The Middle East is the low cost producer. Not Canada.
 

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I'm laughing derisively because prior to the pandemic, two Conservative regimes were responsible for most of the federal debt.

Mulroney ran up $450 billion. Harper ran up $160 billion.

In fact, Harper inherited surplus budgets from the Liberals, and promptly flipped them into a string of huge deficits. And he didn't even have a pandemic to deal with.

Trudeau's spending to support the economy during the pandemic has resulted in a number of accomplishments.

Lowest Covid death rate in the first world (~1/3rd US and UK rate).

Record low unemployment. Highest workforce participation rate ever. Really great GDP growth compared to rest of G7.

I don't know exactly why conservatives are so often wrong. Maybe they just believe whatever they're told. Or maybe they enjoy being wrong.

Either way, it's why I rarely take them seriously.
Harper deficits occurred during global recession and financial crisis.

Trudeau deficits occurred largely during favorable economic conditions.

Covid did help the federal Liberals go completely off the rails with deficit spending.

Maybe you've heard of CERB?
Billions unaccounted for.

Worth it though because without Justin watching over us, it's quite likely everyone in Canada would have died of covid.
 
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I'm laughing derisively because prior to the pandemic, two Conservative regimes were responsible for most of the federal debt.

Mulroney ran up $450 billion. Harper ran up $160 billion.

In fact, Harper inherited surplus budgets from the Liberals, and promptly flipped them into a string of huge deficits. And he didn't even have a pandemic to deal with.

Trudeau's spending to support the economy during the pandemic has resulted in a number of accomplishments.

Lowest Covid death rate in the first world (~1/3rd US and UK rate).

Record low unemployment. Highest workforce participation rate ever. Really great GDP growth compared to rest of G7.

I don't know exactly why conservatives are so often wrong. Maybe they just believe whatever they're told. Or maybe they enjoy being wrong.

Either way, it's why I rarely take them seriously.
Conservatives only bitch about govt spending when it is someone else doing it, plain and simple
 

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Harper deficits occurred during global recession and financial crisis.

Trudeau deficits occurred largely during favorable economic conditions.

Covid did help the federal Liberals go completely off the rails with deficit spending.

Maybe you've heard of CERB?
Billions unaccounted for.

Worth it though because without Justin watching over us, it's quite likely everyone in Canada would have died of covid.
Due to banking rules put in place by the Liberals prior to the 2008 US crash, no Canadian banks collapsed, nor did our housing market.

Most of Harper's debt was due to a 2 point cut in the GST, which created a structural deficit, and a $60 billion corporate tax cuts that created no jobs and no economic growth.

To even suggest that the 2008 "financial crisis" was even 10% as damaging as the pandemic is laughable. We are lucky these ill-educated MAGA Conservatives were not in power during those years because they certainly would have not just killed thousands of Canadians, but driven the economy to ruins.

As our economy booms and jobs flourish, the two recessions and two stock market crashes of the Harper years look even worse.
 

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Due to banking rules put in place by the Liberals prior to the 2008 US crash, no Canadian banks collapsed, nor did our housing market.

Most of Harper's debt was due to a 2 point cut in the GST, which created a structural deficit, and a $60 billion corporate tax cuts that created no jobs and no economic growth.

To even suggest that the 2008 "financial crisis" was even 10% as damaging as the pandemic is laughable. We are lucky these ill-educated MAGA Conservatives were not in power during those years because they certainly would have not just killed thousands of Canadians, but driven the economy to ruins.

As our economy booms and jobs flourish, the two recessions and two stock market crashes of the Harper years look even worse.
I think it's safe to say that 60 to 70 percent of Canadians would disagree with you.

The sock boy clown show has nearly run its course.
 
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I think it's safe to say that 60 to 70 percent of Canadians would disagree with you.

The sock boy clown show has nearly run its course.
I think its safe to say that as much as i hate trudeu that fucktard con leader will never get my vote, and if you think he would get 70% of the vote i really need what you are smoking
 

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1. Asia builds coal-fired plants because coal is cheap. If they wanted to build gas-fired plants, there is lots of gas available in the area. Have you heard of Qatar? There is nothing special about Canadian gas that makes people want to buy it over cheaper suppliers.

2. Quebec receives Federal transfer payments that are funded by the income tax all Canadians pay. Alberta doesn't pay a dime to Quebec.

3. Quebec is supplied by pipelines from the US (which buys 90% of our crude exports). The only buyer of Saudi crude is the Conservative-supporting Irving family of New Brunswick. The have said they buy Saudi spot crude because it's cheaper, and would continue to do so with a west-east pipeline. Google it.


4. Refiners buy the cheapest crude available to them. The Middle East is the low cost producer. Not Canada.
Alberta pays more than other provinces to Quebec funding
https://nationalpost.com/news/canad...our-charts-that-show-alberta-picks-up-the-tab
 
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I think its safe to say that as much as i hate trudeu that fucktard con leader will never get my vote, and if you think he would get 70% of the vote i really need what you are smoking
Did I say the 70% of Canadians would vote for Poilievre?

No, I did not say that.
 

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Due to banking rules put in place by the Liberals prior to the 2008 US crash, no Canadian banks collapsed, nor did our housing market.
Harper tried destroying those rules and we would have been fucked if he had succeeded.
He called it “harmonising with American regulations”. Those American regulations didn’t work so well after all.

Although thousands of blue collar families were destroyed financially the millionaire class, who Harper sucks up to, did extremely well. Many real estate investors made fortunes buying up distressed properties.
 

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Harper tried destroying those rules and we would have been fucked if he had succeeded.
He called it “harmonising with American regulations”. Those American regulations didn’t work so well after all.

Although thousands of blue collar families were destroyed financially the millionaire class, who Harper sucks up to, did extremely well. Many real estate investors made fortunes buying up distressed properties.
And will make many more acquisitions in the future due to rising interest rates. The interest rates can't be avoided.
 

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I'm laughing derisively because prior to the pandemic, two Conservative regimes were responsible for most of the federal debt.

Mulroney ran up $450 billion. Harper ran up $160 billion.

In fact, Harper inherited surplus budgets from the Liberals, and promptly flipped them into a string of huge deficits. And he didn't even have a pandemic to deal with.

Trudeau's spending to support the economy during the pandemic has resulted in a number of accomplishments.

Lowest Covid death rate in the first world (~1/3rd US and UK rate).

Record low unemployment. Highest workforce participation rate ever. Really great GDP growth compared to rest of G7.

I don't know exactly why conservatives are so often wrong. Maybe they just believe whatever they're told. Or maybe they enjoy being wrong.

Either way, it's why I rarely take them seriously.
While the liberals in the 1990s live off the success of 7% GST from Mulroney. The Liberals cut government spending so much, some called it the "decade of darkness" especially for gov departments that traditionally liberals didn't like, eg Dept of National Defence. Then the Liberals made a brilliant move; they cut the GST to 5%. Why, because they knew time was up and it was gonna be a conservative government, and it fucked them so bad.
The Harper government based its fruit on oil. Why, oil is a commodity, that was gonna be harder to find, and with diminishing oil reserves, oil prices were going to get higher. But the US started fracking and it dropped oil prices from over 100.00/barrel down to 40.00/barrel.
Seems like each successive government change only resulted in fucking over the next government and so on and so on.....

Imagine if Canadian governments worked for the Canadian people instead of playing politics and fucking over the Canadian population time and time again.
Canada is a resource country. Imagine if Canada passed a law that 70% of resources had to be refined in Canada. Imagine the manufacturing industry getting stronger. Canada needs to create a society that invents, does research etc. But instead we are just consumers of other high tech countries.

Lets get rid of the transfer payments. (Used to be Ontario, AB, BC were the have provinces). But it was Quebec who got the best from the deal. Actually the transfer payment existed to help maintain the population in Quebec (by creating incentives to stay in Quebec, instead of going to the boom places in Canada). This is because all seats in the parliament are based on the number of Quebec seats, based on population.

Canada needs to do 4 to 5 major construction projects, to keep the economy going. Pipelines, transportation (roads, train tracks for cargo and high speed passenger trains). Need to finance this in Canada only.

Need to do what the US does. Ships (from other countries) only allowed into 1 port. This only allows Canadian ships, to ship things by ships from the great lakes to Atlantic provinces or vise versa. Internal ships have to have a Canadian flag.

Break up monopolies like banks, resource companies etc. Create competition.

Take from the rich and make them pay more taxes....Go on a set tax rate, that get higher with income.

Go on a website in the US using a VPN. Google price of anything. Take into account dollars exchange, some shipping cost and the price is always way higher in Canada due to 1. Authorized dealer 2. Middle man companies jacking prices up (eg Amazon), 3. Its a patented item and therefore very expensive eg gortex.

please note that places that don't have patented items are mostly countries that don't have paten laws. namely Muslim countries and China.
 

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While the liberals in the 1990s live off the success of 7% GST from Mulroney. The Liberals cut government spending so much, some called it the "decade of darkness" especially for gov departments that traditionally liberals didn't like, eg Dept of National Defence. Then the Liberals made a brilliant move; they cut the GST to 5%. Why, because they knew time was up and it was gonna be a conservative government, and it fucked them so bad.
first off the Liberals lived off Mulroney's Free trade with the US

then also Saddam's work, along with the US's response from the Gulf war, which caused oil to fund Canada

just like the demented drunk Ralph didn't look good cause of oil, but gas prices, despite his incompetence in most things, reality is important

and the Liberals cut the GST, lol, when they weren't in power? really?

Harper cut it to 6%, then 5%
 

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demented drunk Ralph
Met him once at a fairly formal, serious event.
He was stinking drunk, but a friendly chatty drunk.
Ever since I’ve felt he was just a frontman and not making any decisions at all.
 

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I think its safe to say that as much as i hate trudeu that fucktard con leader will never get my vote, and if you think he would get 70% of the vote i really need what you are smoking
The odds are high that neither of them will be in your riding. If one of them are in your riding; then vote the opposite party to which ever one is in your riding.

The thing to do is come up with a plan to get everybody richer, without raising the taxes; ideally plans that pay down the federal debt and increase military spending.Ahhh tax the rich mercilessly. That was Dickheads plan when he first became PM, it didn't work.
 

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I’m actually doing a 180.

No doubt I have a rep as a lib leftie.

Forget everything, this is the biggest threat to Canadians right now. Mobs of masked violent people intimidating normal people. Threatening to kill police and filming themselves. I’ve seen them doing this shit in Winnipeg.
Fuck these assholes.
Kinew wants to bring in Gaza refugees? FUCK THAT!

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