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I don't accept that it is ok for anyone to surrender their pride and dignity because "that is the way it is" and they are helpless. That is a cop out, they are not children, it is being weak. We have a responsibility, both collectively and individually, not to tolerate this sort of violent and anti-social behaviour. It should never be glorified or defended. When you are in a situation like that and do nothing, you share responsibility for it. And that includes the victims. It is hard for me to feel sorry for them when they CAN do something about the situation they find themselves in, but choose to do nothing...snip
OMG...Where oh where did anyone say they were helpless and weak, and that there is any tolerance for this behaviour.

I'm done with you...you are completely stuck in your opinion and refuse to listen to reason. There are many good points in this thread, which you will no doubt continue to ignore. You stay up there on your high horse and pretend that you're the only one who gets it...

As brutal as this incident is she does have some responsibility for the outcome. I don't know her story or what her options were but I doubt this was the first incident pointing to where this going.
Its a tragedy if she didn't get the help she needed, it incredible stupidity if it was offered and refused.
And you too...the blind leading the ignorant.
 
As brutal as this incident is she does have some responsibility for the outcome. I don't know her story or what her options were but I doubt this was the first incident pointing to where this going.
Its a tragedy if she didn't get the help she needed, it incredible stupidity if it was offered and refused.


19year old Maple Batalia was completely broken up with her ex boyfriend when he waited for her to return to her car after a late class at SFU .Her ex boyfriend and his friend shot and killed her and sped away later his car was identified . How did she have anything to do with this murder ? Maple did everything right and for anyone to blame this girl is an idiot .

The parents of this city are failing their sons .
 

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Everybody here is giving Tugela a hard time, even though he is right: A RATIONAL and SENSIBLE person should be able to get out of a situation like that. Only thing is, people in those kinds of situations aren't usually in a sound emotional and mental state and therefore their judgement is impaired. There's also an element of fear, of shame and if they have kids they fear to break up the family as well as fearing harm on them if she leaves. His fault is only seeing things from his point of view and isn't trying to see it from another.
 

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But it's still wrong to smugly blame the victim.

It's like telling a depressive to, "just snap out of it."; or an alcoholic to "Just stop drinking"; or a junkie to "just say no"; or someone with learning difficulties to "just concentrate".

MOST women or girls with enough confidence, fortitude, strength, education, support and ability would leave with the first verbal insult.

That's not the point - the females in those situations are trapped by other issues and blaming them or telling them they deserve it for not leaving ignores issues beyond their control in that particular situation and at that particular time.
 

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I can see both side on this argument. Some girls like being with bad boys because of the thrill and excitement but not thinking that some of these guys are also abusive too until it happens and are too scared or don't know how to get out of it. No one deserve to be abused but sometimes one have to ask themselves how and why one get in that kind of relationship in the first place. I'm not blaming the victim but these things happen so often, I would think others would learn from it.
 

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I can see both side on this argument. Some girls like being with bad boys because of the thrill and excitement but not thinking that some of these guys are also abusive too until it happens and are too scared or don't know how to get out of it. No one deserve to be abused but sometimes one have to ask themselves how and why one get in that kind of relationship in the first place. I'm not blaming the victim but these things happen so often, I would think others would learn from it.
Thay are not all bad boys, they are a wolf in sheeps clothing .... Lawyers, Doctors, Realtors ....
VK
 

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those kind of men tend to be excellent liars, people who very easily make friends or find a way to fit into a group. So, not only is the woman afraid to speak out... suffering from psychological shell shock... but the "wolf" knows how to insulate himself against accusations in the very group his victim would seek support from.

I unknowingly had a violent rapist in my house, a clinically diagnosed sexual sadist... I'll save the details, but he had my whole family hooked into his sob story (read: lies). The fact that...monster... had free reign of my house on family occasions, and associated with my family through my sibling... still causes disgust to well up in my gut, to this very day. Once we began unraveling his web of lies, it all came undone. I was sick for weeks, and I really came to question how my sibling (a level headed person, in a position of confidence and trust in the community) could be so duped by this fellow... even after the evidence came pouring in (and the conviction!).

But there you have it. The victim there was still tangled in his lies, kept in his power, until he literally was in a corrections facility facing deportation. That's when reality, and some sanity, began to creep back in.

As long as those monsters are on the loose, able to exert control, their victims are stuck in a very strange place where the fantasy crafted by the abuser is the only reality they know. You can't judge it until you've either lived it, or seen it in action, first hand.
 

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I dunno why, but when I first heard of the story I thought she was a working girl. Then I seen her boyfriend. He's white (she's black) and he looks like a real douche.

Ironically, the new RCMP Headquarters is not too far away. The deaths in Surrey have risen since they set up shop there.
 

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those kind of men tend to be excellent liars, people who very easily make friends or find a way to fit into a group. So, not only is the woman afraid to speak out... suffering from psychological shell shock... but the "wolf" knows how to insulate himself against accusations in the very group his victim would seek support from.

I unknowingly had a violent rapist in my house, a clinically diagnosed sexual sadist... I'll save the details, but he had my whole family hooked into his sob story (read: lies). The fact that...monster... had free reign of my house on family occasions, and associated with my family through my sibling... still causes disgust to well up in my gut, to this very day. Once we began unraveling his web of lies, it all came undone. I was sick for weeks, and I really came to question how my sibling (a level headed person, in a position of confidence and trust in the community) could be so duped by this fellow... even after the evidence came pouring in (and the conviction!).

But there you have it. The victim there was still tangled in his lies, kept in his power, until he literally was in a corrections facility facing deportation. That's when reality, and some sanity, began to creep back in.

As long as those monsters are on the loose, able to exert control, their victims are stuck in a very strange place where the fantasy crafted by the abuser is the only reality they know. You can't judge it until you've either lived it, or seen it in action, first hand.
So so true ,thank you for perhaps making it a little more clear that anybody can get sucked in :(
VK
 

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So so true ,thank you for perhaps making it a little more clear that anybody can get sucked in :(
VK
There's a difference in being charming and being a douche. Ted Bundy was like that...very charming. The girl's bf definitely looked like the part of a douche.
 

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those kind of men tend to be excellent liars, people who very easily make friends or find a way to fit into a group. So, not only is the woman afraid to speak out... suffering from psychological shell shock... but the "wolf" knows how to insulate himself against accusations in the very group his victim would seek support from.

I unknowingly had a violent rapist in my house, a clinically diagnosed sexual sadist... I'll save the details, but he had my whole family hooked into his sob story (read: lies). The fact that...monster... had free reign of my house on family occasions, and associated with my family through my sibling... still causes disgust to well up in my gut, to this very day. Once we began unraveling his web of lies, it all came undone. I was sick for weeks, and I really came to question how my sibling (a level headed person, in a position of confidence and trust in the community) could be so duped by this fellow... even after the evidence came pouring in (and the conviction!).

But there you have it. The victim there was still tangled in his lies, kept in his power, until he literally was in a corrections facility facing deportation. That's when reality, and some sanity, began to creep back in.

As long as those monsters are on the loose, able to exert control, their victims are stuck in a very strange place where the fantasy crafted by the abuser is the only reality they know. You can't judge it until you've either lived it, or seen it in action, first hand.
thank you for sharing and so glad your sibling was not another statistic
 

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I said "I doubt"
I didn't say "I'm sure"

Maybe you should refer to a dictionary if you have trouble reading peoples posts or have your mom help you with the words you don't understand.
I read your post fine. You clearly need help reading mine though.

I said this:

me said:
So you admit to not knowing what happened
To address this:

you said:
I don't know her story or what her options were
I said:

me said:
you're sure the woman shares the blame
To address this:

you said:
As brutal as this incident is she does have some responsibility for the outcome.
 

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I read your post fine. You clearly need help reading mine though.
Why is it parents won't permit their kids to stay out late at night or to hang out with the wrong crowd, why do they set rules and guidelines? Is it that they don't trust their kids or because they know shit can happen if you hang around with riff raff.
Another poster indicated domestic disturbances at that address was a regular thing.
I didn't say she deserves what happened or that she's to blame (your word). She should not have been there, but I guess you think it was okay for her to be.

Since you like to rewrite other people's posts I'll playing along. You say I'm putting 100% blame on her and you think she has 0% responsibly for ignoring repeated warning signs. I say the truth is somewhere in between.

Go ahead an spin that however you like.
 

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Everybody here is giving Tugela a hard time, even though he is right: A RATIONAL and SENSIBLE person should be able to get out of a situation like that. Only thing is, people in those kinds of situations aren't usually in a sound emotional and mental state and therefore their judgement is impaired. There's also an element of fear, of shame and if they have kids they fear to break up the family as well as fearing harm on them if she leaves. His fault is only seeing things from his point of view and isn't trying to see it from another.
But it's still wrong to smugly blame the victim.

It's like telling a depressive to, "just snap out of it."; or an alcoholic to "Just stop drinking"; or a junkie to "just say no"; or someone with learning difficulties to "just concentrate".

MOST women or girls with enough confidence, fortitude, strength, education, support and ability would leave with the first verbal insult.

That's not the point - the females in those situations are trapped by other issues and blaming them or telling them they deserve it for not leaving ignores issues beyond their control in that particular situation and at that particular time.
I can see both side on this argument. Some girls like being with bad boys because of the thrill and excitement but not thinking that some of these guys are also abusive too until it happens and are too scared or don't know how to get out of it. No one deserve to be abused but sometimes one have to ask themselves how and why one get in that kind of relationship in the first place. I'm not blaming the victim but these things happen so often, I would think others would learn from it.
those kind of men tend to be excellent liars, people who very easily make friends or find a way to fit into a group. So, not only is the woman afraid to speak out... suffering from psychological shell shock... but the "wolf" knows how to insulate himself against accusations in the very group his victim would seek support from.

I unknowingly had a violent rapist in my house, a clinically diagnosed sexual sadist... I'll save the details, but he had my whole family hooked into his sob story (read: lies). The fact that...monster... had free reign of my house on family occasions, and associated with my family through my sibling... still causes disgust to well up in my gut, to this very day. Once we began unraveling his web of lies, it all came undone. I was sick for weeks, and I really came to question how my sibling (a level headed person, in a position of confidence and trust in the community) could be so duped by this fellow... even after the evidence came pouring in (and the conviction!).

But there you have it. The victim there was still tangled in his lies, kept in his power, until he literally was in a corrections facility facing deportation. That's when reality, and some sanity, began to creep back in.

As long as those monsters are on the loose, able to exert control, their victims are stuck in a very strange place where the fantasy crafted by the abuser is the only reality they know. You can't judge it until you've either lived it, or seen it in action, first hand.
Psychological abuse can be extremely hard for a person to wrap their brain around. When you have bruises they are tangible. But when someone is an extreme manipulator they don't necessarily have to use physical violence to inflict torture. There are many ways to hold a person hostage, not just in the physical sense. Verbal and mental abuse can be just as damaging as physical abuse. And it is much harder for victims to seek help. The abuser usually manipulates the victim into believing it is their fault. Abuse is abuse.

And VK LOL, I noticed that. But you are one strong woman. I love you to bits! :)
Thanks, people...reason seems to have prevailed!

 


A man taken into custody after a woman fell to her death from a Vancouver area highrise on New Years Day has been released. The 23 y/o was arrested after a 19y/o fell from the 26th floor early Wednesday morning in what is belived to be Surrey's first homicide of 2014. But the region's homicide unit says on Twitter that no one is in custody and no charges have been laid.
 

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Thay are not all bad boys, they are a wolf in sheeps clothing .... Lawyers, Doctors, Realtors ....
VK
Lawyers, Doctors and Realtors can be bad boys too. If someone has spent any amount of time with someone else, they should have a reasonable idea of how they behave. It does not just come out of nowhere.
 
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