10% of women have done sex work? Am I interpreting this correctly?

[Ratbert_2008]

In a C-36 related article at http://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread...ng-Bill-C-36&p=1570951&viewfull=1#post1570951, the following claim was made:

Some 20 per cent of trangender women participate in sex work, double the rate of cisgender women, according to a June statement on Bill C-36 released by national LGBT human rights organization Égale Canada.

Maybe it is just my aged brain misunderstanding "cisgender". I tried looking it up in wikipedia, but that didn't help at all.

Maybe someone wiser on this can explain what this statement means and then we can discuss whether the claim make sense.

 

[Ratbert_2008]

Without getting into the meaning of "cisgender", let me just clarify in advance that I am not saying that transgender women are not women. The quote implies (to me) that 10% of cisgender women participate in sex work. The title of this thread is admittedly a bit different, since it omits "cisgender". I'm not trying to imply anything there. Just clumsiness on my part.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

from wikipedia

Cisgender and cissexual (often abbreviated to simply cis) describe related types of gender identity where individuals' experiences of their own gender match the sex they were assigned at birth. Sociologists Kristen Schilt and Laurel Westbrook define cisgender as a label for "individuals who have a match between the gender they were assigned at birth, their bodies, and their personal identity" as a complement to transgender.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender

so it's the opposite of transgender - includes straight or gay

i think the statistic is bullshit. i've got a lot of female relatives, and there ain't no 10% of them that 'participate in sex work'

 

[Ratbert_2008]

from wikipedia



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender

As I said in my post, that doesn't help much. I think it is saying that women that are not transgender are cisgender, but if so why do they need all those extra words. Makes me suspect that I am missing something.

 

[hornygandalf]

Also wonder what they are classifying as sex work. Would some one proceeding into sex at the end of a date following dinner or a movie be considered engaging in sex work (payment in kind)? In some communities it is possible (First Nations), but unlikely across the whole population.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

As I said in my post, that doesn't help much. I think it is saying that women that are not transgender are cisgender, but if so why do they need all those extra words. Makes me suspect that I am missing something.

this whole xxxgender business has become an industry

i'm sure you have met folks that just HAVE to invent a new word when there are lots of combinations of old words that would do the trick?

but by inventing a new word they get some kind of brownie points - maybe get their name 'officially' associated with the new word. then every other arsehole that writes for that same industry has to use the new word or their peers won't accept them. it's a form of jargon. the object is to mystify the average reader... make it seem like only members of some sacred priesthood really understand what is being said - that puts them in a 'special' category... makes them feel good about themselves

 

[nickcan]

Also wonder what they are classifying as sex work. Would some one proceeding into sex at the end of a date following dinner or a movie be considered engaging in sex work (payment in kind)? In some communities it is possible (First Nations), but unlikely across the whole population.

Then almost 100% of women would be classified as sex workers.

 

[1nitestan]

Then almost 100% of women would be classified as sex workers.

Quite true: some girls charge a price per hour. Some charge a price per day. Some charge you monthly. While others charge you for a liftetime*. Whether it's $300/hr or a wedding ring, men pay for access to vagina.

* and beyond if alimony is involved.

 

[westwoody]

this whole xxxgender business has become an industry

Our workplace had a transgendered person return to work after surgery. They had been off for months. The WHOLE FRIKKIN PLACE shut down so we could get a one hour lecture by some LGBT type consultants about how to act, what to say, what not to say, blah blah blah.
All three shifts got the lecture. Maybe five hundred people @ $20 or more per hour = $10,000 down the drain.
Plus the cost of the experts who lectured us. Who were fukn obnoxious man hating biatches. Seriously they could have come from a Monty Python skit, so stereotypical. Plus they probably did more harm than good with their obnoxious and arrogant attitude.

Activism is all about "Look how extremely Activist I Am!".

i'm sure you have met folks that just HAVE to invent a new word

Their name comes up when the word is Googled. Makes them seem important.

 

[Alabama Blaze]

If 10% of all women have done sex work than that would mean about 3.7 million women in Canada either have been worked as an escort or are still working as an escort.

Somehow that number seems rather high. Are counting gold diggers in that total?

I always hate these kinds of stats.

 

[Equity Market investor]

If 10% of all women have done sex work than that would mean about 3.7 million women in Canada either have been worked as an escort or are still working as an escort.

Somehow that number seems rather high. Are counting gold diggers in that total?

I always hate these kinds of stats.

No way 10% of Canadian woman are or were involved in the sex trade!! Like Vancity_cowboy....at my work place, I work with many woman of all ages and race, and there is ABSOLUTELY - NO WAY-- that ANY of them touched or would even think of this industry, or enter it.

There are times when people think, that if they are involved in something -- " out of range " -- that they believe, or feel, that a majority of society are also involved in similarity, just so they feel like they are part of a very large pool. Reality is.....the sex trade industry isn't as populous as one would conclude. 10%....here's how I see it and in point form.

If Canada's estimated population = 37,000,000 ( x 10% = 3,700,000 ). and ....you think of all senior citizens, all the ones who are life long patience in hospitals, all people who are ALL UNDER 15 years
old, all students of all schools who would never ever think of the sex trade, all the homeless people , all drugged out people ( downtown east side ), very healthy married couples with kids, every " normal - everyday " worker around you ( male and female ), church people any jobs related to law enforcement ( judge, Police, government, lawyers etc, etc ) , and......all the little towns far far away from cities who have zero thought of the sex trade existence .etc etc.......there are many more examples I haven't included but....most of you are catching my drift :thumb: Looking at it this way, and all across Canada, you would probably believe more like 1% ....maybe less?

Escorting is mainly recognized in large cities, and outside of those large cities.....zero existence!! So, if one were to view this in a much larger universe, then one would conclude that 10% of Canadian woman being...or was ...into the " sex trade" is outrageously far fetched.! Again, I think most of you understand what I'm specifying.

3,700,000 woman involved in the sex trade is far to high for even the U.S.A I would think......not including " porn movie " involvement here----- Just escorting.

 

[johnsmit]

Ahhhh only half of the 37 million are women.....40% at any given time are under the age of 18. Or over 65
So more accurate would be 60% of 1,850,000....or 1,080,000

 

[1nitestan]

I wouldn't be surprised if 10% of females under the age of 30, maybe 35 have tried escorting in some form at least one time. It's different then it was a few generations ago, from the cost of living, to the ability to obtain the same jobs you did in the 80's. In many fields you need a masters degree rather then a bachelors degree for jobs that didn't even require a degree back then. You need a lot more money to accomplish the exact same things. Combined with how much dating and marriage has changed over the last few generations more women then ever before would rather pursue this then that.

My uncles, bosses and the agencies I volunteer with would be shocked to hear about this part of my life. You just never know who might be doing this. I would say at least half the girls I know in my age range have brought being an escort or sugar baby up to me at some point having no idea about my "other life" as BC_BABE. The majority of young women who start this aren't going to come home one day and say guess what family, co-workers, friends, I started sex work and I love it ! Your going to be so proud of me ! Hopefully one day we live in a society where we can do this but at this point, not so much.

Even in casual conversation with my 'straight' friends- the topic of "finding a sugar daddy" is done mainly in jest but it's no longer slutty/trashy/gold-diggery to mention it. We're talking women who have decent paying jobs too. Despite the fact that women are trying to push through the glass ceiling etc., in general...if given the choice, they would rather marry well than slog it out in the rat race. I don't state this as a diss on women, but that's seems to be the current mindset.

 

[Alabama Blaze]

Let's be more accurate. About 51% of Canada's population is women according to the most recent census. The 2014 population is estimated at just over 36 million. That's 18.3 million women. Disregard my previous post. Proof sleep is good thing.

You're still taking 1.8 - 1.9 million women being involved in escorting in the population. Regardless that seems off by a large margin. Is this another one of those survey's where they ask 1,000 and make an mass assumption on small amount data?