Carman Fox has girls advertised as open-minded or GFE. Open-minded generally implies less services.
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The old sayng 'thou doth protestest too much' really speaks volumes here.
In less than 18 hours (8 of in the dead of night) since the original post was made, 9.. yes NINE providers have replied.
How many of us have tried to call a provider without success for days at a time? There are 2 that I call often that almost never get back to me within 2 days.. forget about just a few hours! An independent provider will often not be available to answer calls or turns her phone off when she is not working. How would the orchestration of all these replies happen in such short order?
IF all these ladies were that consistently organized and reliable enough to post on Perb in such short order (9 of them???), they would most certainly NOT need help in organizing an incall and likely have the wherewithal to make free websites and manage their own affairs.
We've seen it all before with handlers posting for providers with the main mission being making the girls appear like independents.
You could call it a handling/marketing/shilling scheme if you don't like the term 'pimp'.
I find the term confusing. Outside of the Fox Den, open-minded usually means more services. If you are a fox it actually, in theory, means less services. It should probably be labelled non-GFE or changed to Close-minded but that would not be good for business
I had posted last night that I hoped some of the ladies listed had not been falsely labelled as being a part of something that they might not be party to. As I was typing, two other posts appeared which have also now been deleted that pretty much made my comments a moot point and after considering my comments in light of those posts, I chose to delete my post. Beyond all of the very valid arguments that have been made by Pillowtalk and Miss Bijou and other like-minded members about what makes someone a true independent, we see here a very big reason why this "model" can end up being such a poor choice for the ladies involved.
The accusation has been made that the handler has access to all of the handles. And since, to the critical eye, the ads do mostly share a very similar copy style, it does stand to reason that the ads were probably being created and also likely posted by the same individual. It would seem to follow that there is some truth that the handler did indeed have access to the handles. In fact, that point doesn't even seem to be being denied. So, when the ladies handles begin posting in defense of the "model" that they chose to be party to, it only makes sense that other members would be skeptical as to whether those comments legitimately come from the ladies or if the handler is the one making the posts. The doubt has been cast. It is there and it is valid. The handler and the ladies (or the handler posing as the ladies -- we really can't be sure) can swear all day long that only the ladies had access to the emails but we can never really be certain of that. It's unfortunate that these ladies can't see it but they have, in fact, given up some element of control over who they are and who they choose to be in the trade by allowing someone else to have that control. You may have indeed been making all the choices that you claim but the doubt about that will always linger now.
And I don't think it's up to Susi to need to contact these women to vouch for them or verify anything. She does so much to try and bring some legitmacy to the trade and has more than enough on her plate to try and do so. In my opinion, it's scenarios like this that make her efforts that much more difficult. However, I am willing to bet that if the ladies who are involved in this made an effort to contact Susi, she would listen to them and offer them advice on how they could proceed from here and do things in a way that would be more constructive for them and for the industry in general.
A pimp is a pimp. Simply living off the avails of prostitution. Whether or not this man was abusive or not is irrelivent. The replies from these women's handles is unkinow to be from there handles. It could be the pimp does that not bother you? Who knows if these women even know the passwords to there own handles! They don't do their own advertising.
other women involved are (Steve himself admits there are "others" and this is a know fact
Samantha Kisses
Taylor Heaven
The sites are wix. When a 20 yearl old sp talks like a 30 year old you know something is up.. This dude has your info and books your appt
other women involved are (Steve himself admits there are "others" and this is a know fact
Samantha Kisses
Taylor Heaven
The sites are wix. When a 20 yearl old sp talks like a 30 year old you know something is up.. This dude has your info and books your appt
Susi is a member of the board, and a tireless public advocate for sex workers who is often in the news as a member of groups challenging the current laws.
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/member.php?43870-susi#vmessage7251
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