I mean following this logic, should bars stop telling people not to drive drunk? How bout reminders to wash hands? These are all things you and I take for granted that people see as common sense. But not everyone is on the same level.
“Treat her well, guys”
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Im not so sure it is.The entire idea behind propaganda is that if you say something often enough in the right way, people will be influenced by it. My entire goal by saying that at the end of a review is that hopefully some on the fence budding misogynist will realize they will get further with a kind word than behaving like a jackass. If such a statement influences even one person then it isnt a waste of time. If a drunk driving ad campaign prevents one single drunk driving accident, then it is not in vain. Besides, how much time am I really wasting here? Takes me less than a second to type out "treat her well fellas." At the end of the day its no skin off my teeth.
If anybody is interested, here is an old study on the efficacy of drunk driving ad campaigns. It showed a marked decrease of drunk driving accidents when the ad campaign was being run. But I guess that was just a waste of time.
Making comparison between an ad extolling people not to drive drunk and saying to treat an escort well? Really? Lol. The extent some people go to justify their actions. Whatever.If anybody is interested, here is an old study on the efficacy of drunk driving ad campaigns. It showed a marked decrease of drunk driving accidents when the ad campaign was being run. But I guess that was just a waste of time.
How about next time tell people to pay her double on top of it?
Funny considering you compared saying treat her well to telling people not to jump out of a moving vehicle. Seems to me your logic is inconsistent and you have chosen this strange hill to die on. Hypocrisy knowd no bounds I suppose.
I realize I am being a little snarky and I apologize in advance. You and I are not so different in that we agree escorts should be treated with respect. The reason I bring up drunk driving ads is because a lot of the arguments I see here are the same arguments against drunk driving ads. When these came out a lot of people were against them, saying that people dumb enough to drive drunk wont be listening to ads so why waste the money?
I just dont understand why a relatively benign and harmless addon to a positive review is worthy of a whole thread dedicated to bashing people who spread said message.
Anyways, ya'll have a good one. Im out.
I just dont understand why a relatively benign and harmless addon to a positive review is worthy of a whole thread dedicated to bashing people who spread said message.
Anyways, ya'll have a good one. Im out.
Alright my meeting got delayed so I have another moment to "waste my time" lol.
It seems to me the issue that people really have is not with the message itself but with the people who need to hear the message. You guys (to your credit) have a baseline respect for people and that is a good thing. I'm not arguing with that at all. The problem I have is that you are assuming that everyone out there thinks like you.
The problem with assumptions like this is you expect everyone to have the same definition of "respect" as you do.
Now I'm not saying people who mistreat SPs are some sort of victims, far from it. But what if the suspect in question comes from a culture where women are seen as second class citizens? What if they grew up in a religious household? What if by saying the message doesn't need to be said, you are passing up an opportunity to educate someone?
To make my point, I have a online group of friend where we get together every week to game and shoot the shit. As we explore different games different people of all sorts end up joining and we end up meeting people from all over the world. Sometimes we get racist assholes who join and we end up kicking them from our group.
One time this young dude, fresh out of high school joined. Guy was a riot, talked with a deep southern Alabama accent and had hilarious stories. As we hung out with him we realized the kid was a bit of a redneck but not in a malicious sort of way. Just a kind of "I like my pick up and big titty blonde women" kind of way. We would make fun of him for it and it is all very good natured.
One day that kid started telling really edge lord type jokes. Started talking about Nazis and incel shit in a way that made me think he had been hanging out with the wrong crowd. At first we were wondering if we should kick the guy. But instead, we talked to him. We explain that shit wasn't cool and that some of us in the group are jewish and other minorities and how you can't treat women like that and expect to get laid. At first he was defensive and generally disagreeable. But as we talked more more, he came to realize he was being a dick. He's stopped saying that shit now and he seems to be in a better place.
Now let me ask you this, would any of us had been better off if I ignored and kicked the kid? Or did we all benefit from talking about it? Taking the time and educating people is hard, I get that. And sometimes it really does seem like a waste of time. And perhaps it is. I don't know. Maybe I'm just pissing in the wind, yelling in the void that is this escort review site. But I like to think people can make a difference no matter how small.
Aight now I really got to go. Have a good one everybody.
What you describe, by and large, is the most successful way to communicate and help people change their minds. Listen to them, point out the personal side that their words and actions affect, etc. NYT had a good article on a white supremacist who eventually changed his ways by a similar manner.
On that topic, I think the majority of folks CAN be changed. But I’ll be the first to admit that I don’t have the skills or patience for it. I’ve tried on Twitter and FB and gave up after endless, exhausting “sea lion” sessions. You’re a much better person than I for talking that kid off his racist ledge, I hope he stays off.
On that topic, I think the majority of folks CAN be changed. But I’ll be the first to admit that I don’t have the skills or patience for it. I’ve tried on Twitter and FB and gave up after endless, exhausting “sea lion” sessions. You’re a much better person than I for talking that kid off his racist ledge, I hope he stays off.
sure, I get that. But it strongly implies (as many others have agreed here) that the alternative (not treating her well) occurs all too often and is viewed by some as acceptable.
As I’ve seen on many forums, people can be influenced by how others act. The more that men speak out against mistreating sex workers, the more they mistreatment gets pushed down and reduced. That’s my hope anyway.
Going to the “drunk Driving “ example - even in my lifetime, the oendulum has swung strongly from accepting that a few drinks were ok before driving to accepting that zero drinks were ok before driving (or one max).That’s pretty incredible given how prevalent alcohol is in our society - soI hope the same can be said for influencing the assholes who need to hear it IRT sex workers.
Why are you limiting this statement to SP instead of anybody and everybody, with no distinction based on race/age/gender/profession/height/weight/... ?
Your local cash only barber, and all other cash only businesses, only pay a portion of the taxes due and get full protection of the law. Your SP who pays some of taxes and gets little or no protection. Talk about being screwed. Irony intended.
Because the original discussion was in regards to a SP and ‘treat her well’
But if you wish to broaden the context to include race/gender/etc., I wholeheartedly agree 👍
Ahh I get it. You're not actually interested in a nuanced discussion. My mistake, have fun here. I hear there is another review board where people are arguing over whether people should say "watch your step" or not. Because its sooooo obvious, saying people should watch their step is like telling people not to jump off a cliff! So stupid. People should not say anything like that, ever!
Have a good one buddy.
Thats what I see as the main problem we are suffering today with regard to our political climate. All the language is so extreme and it makes it impossible to have a calm and collected conversation about our differences. Take masterblaster for instance. I tried, even apologized for being snarky. His response was to be snarky back. What can we do if everyone has that same attitude? Just endlessly yell at each other until we are blue in the face. Nothing gets done but we just keep on yelling, because its more important now to be right than to understand.
I see this whole thread as being based on the OP's assumption that "treat her well" actually means "don't be fucking assholes". Whereas some of us and I certainly am one, who put "treat her well" at the end of a review, actually means, "treat her well". My assumption then is that by treating this lovely gal well, she will stay around and continue to be available. If not for the rest of you, for me since I had a good enough time with her I wrote a positive review.
But you know, haters are gonna hate, trolls are gonna troll, assholes are gonna be assholes and so on and so on ad nauseum.
Pretty mild topic to get all snarked up in. I mean if you want to see some real ugly shit, head over to the political threads. Man the trolls come out in droves over there, which gives my ignore button one heck of a workout.
But you know, haters are gonna hate, trolls are gonna troll, assholes are gonna be assholes and so on and so on ad nauseum.
Pretty mild topic to get all snarked up in. I mean if you want to see some real ugly shit, head over to the political threads. Man the trolls come out in droves over there, which gives my ignore button one heck of a workout.
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