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Krustee

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I just read a post on another board about how proud an individual was to volunteer for the Vancouver Pride Parade this year.

There was on thing that kinda stuck in my craw, so to speak, & I just cannot bring myself to find any reason to be joyful about it.

"Celebrate our Differences!"

Well what exactly does that entail?

Are we celebrating that some prefer to use the back door of another same sex partner to relieve the pent up sexual tensions in their loins?

Are we celebrating that some are sharing a life with another of the same sex & wish to have it seen as being normal & natural?


What is normal?

What is natural?


Pictures aren't available yet for Vancouver so let's take a look at the parade in Toronto & see if we can find it:

http://www.cp24.com/gallery/html/090629_pride_gallery/photo_0.html












Yeah -
That looks pretty natural & normal to me!
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What about you folks?


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Karl Blues

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Seems to me that these are people celebrating and enjoying who they are.

What's wrong with that?

If anyone doesn't like it or enjoy it, they can simply choose to ignore it or stay away. It's that simple.
 

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i was on comercial street and saw the dycke parade and one thing was obvious from it, a lot of reaaly ugly women like pussy and go bless em for it.

i think it's shoul be the gay glad parade not the pride parade. sexualy orentation is not a choice. for example i'm glad i was born a male and i have good parents. i'm not proud of it cause i had nothing to do with it.

just like i'm glad i'm straight, i love women but i'm not proud of it.
 

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Celebrating "pride" in who they are is a natural step for those who have experienced discrimination (and who are taught that they are not "normal"). Often they have experienced shame and self-loathing. When such people no longer experience discrimination, the movement will die out....don't hold your breath.

James Brown: I'm black and proud.

I've not looked it up, but I'll bet there is a Native/Aboriginal Pride movement as well.

...and yes, White Pride is still a racist statement against those who are not white.
 

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Celebrating "pride" in who they are is a natural step for those who have experienced discrimination (and who are taught that they are not "normal"). Often they have experienced shame and self-loathing. When such people no longer experience discrimination, the movement will die out....don't hold your breath.

James Brown: I'm black and proud.

I've not looked it up, but I'll bet there is a Native/Aboriginal Pride movement as well.

...and yes, White Pride is still a racist statement against those who are not white.
Well said, the pride comes from having endured and often times suffered through discrimination and sometimes even hatred.
 

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It always disturbs me that you can come to a place where people have gathered to converse and not be judged about their lifestyle choice and find so much judgement about the choices of others.
 

HankQuinlan

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Yep, looks like a couple of pretty hot mommies looking with love at their child. Completely unnatural, I guess. I suppose that you are a "satirist" in the same way that Ann Coulter claims to be when she is pointed out to be wrong. A shit-disturber in defense of "conservative values"?
 

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When one is part of a societal group that has been discriminated against, legally detained, and abused for hundreds of years, I think it is only natural to be as flamboyant as you can in celebrating that while all the walls have not come down, some have at least been lowered. It has only been a little over a hundred years since Oscar Wilde was sentenced to 2 years of hard labor for his sexual activities which were basically being homosexual.

JC
 

HankQuinlan

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The parade was a freak show in the hot sun.

Where do babies come from?
Uh, well you see, girls have different parts, and you stick your part...never mind, ask your mother.

Oh, wait, I get it....this is the traditional rebuttal to gay rights, since they don't produce children, and of course, you shouldn't have sex unless you are intending to reproduce. Please don't reproduce yourself. Please.
 

nmjoff

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Relax

If I go into a casino I don't see people smiling, they are all just sitting staring a a stupid machine hoping to win money...
Look at any picture of the Pride parade and all you see is smiling people, live and let live.
I am definatley not gay but I sure enjoyed the event...
JMHO
 

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Aw Krustee, just because the black guy is laughing at you for flashing what you think is God's gift to women, doesn't mean you have get all bitchy about it.:D
 

Krustee

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Where do babies come from?
These two you silly dolt!




They had their baby "naturally" the way everybody else does.

:rolleyes:

And another thing, don't go telling me that this baby will grow up to be a lesbian or homosexual or anything crazy like that cuz this kid will have the same choices as any other kid!

He/she will be taught from a very early age that you can be with anyone or sex you want to.

There won't be any influence on the child to grow up gay!

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ok, for one thing Krusty. It is a parade. People do not put on thier jeans and tank tops and go on floats in a parade. They wear fun, bright, interesting costumes. They do that for every parade, not just the gay pride parade. You are really annoying sometimes, with your judgmentalness, that does not even make sense. :confused:

I was there (at the one in Vancouver) and I had a blast. Lots of fun, happy, sexy, beautiful, colorful, people :D
 

Krustee

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ok, for one thing Krusty. It is a parade. People do not put on thier jeans and tank tops and go on floats in a parade. They wear fun, bright, interesting costumes. They do that for every parade, not just the gay pride parade. You are really annoying sometimes, with your judgmentalness, that does not even make sense. :confused:

I was there (at the one in Vancouver) and I had a blast. Lots of fun, happy, sexy, beautiful, colorful, people :D
You're right I should try walking a mile in their shoes before forming an opinion.

Would any dudes here be willing to let me put my penis in their ass so I can gain some understanding?


Sorry Harmony, I am just too attracted to the female form to understand why any dude would want to play hide the sausage with some dude on the same team.
(not that there's anything wrong with that)

But I do not hold any ill will for dudes who want to grab the gonads of other guys.

Personally, as long as they don't try to grab mine or expect me to grab theirs or expect my children to grab theirs or fondle my boys junk, then all is well.

As long as they don't try to teach my boys inpublic school that they should marry another boy when they grow up, I'm cool.

They wouldn't do that would they?

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Harmony-bc

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Another thing, those two women were not necassarily gay, just because they were at gay pride together. It means nothing. They might have been, they might not have been. I think that the world would be a better place if everybody raised their children to be tolerant and comfortable in their own skin. The world is messed up because of intolerance. Why be part of the problem when you can choose to be part of the solution?

Oh lordy there is a huge difference between a pedophile and a gay person. One is attracted to children, the other is attracted to adults that can think for themselves and make up their own minds if they want to be touched or not. You can't seriously believe that a gay man would be interested in a child, just because he is gay?
 

Krustee

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Another thing, those two women were not necassarily gay, just because they were at gay pride together. It means nothing. They might have been, they might not have been. I think that the world would be a better place if everybody raised their children to be tolerant and comfortable in their own skin. The world is messed up because of intolerance. Why be part of the problem when you can choose to be part of the solution?
No argument from me on the tolerance thing.
Please be tolerant of me expressing my opinion as it is just that.

I have noticed how intolerant some members are of other members on these boards.

One example of that would be quite evident on the other board you seem to spend much time on.

I certainly do not see you preaching tolerance over there?


Oh lordy there is a huge difference between a pedophile and a gay person. One is attracted to children, the other is attracted to adults that can think for themselves and make up their own minds if they want to be touched or not. You can't seriously believe that a gay man would be interested in a child, just because he is gay?
I think you will need to re-read my statements as I commented on the teaching not the pedophilia aspect.

Are you familiar with Proposition 8?

I would bet most here are not.

by Mike Spence - Los Angeles County

10-27-2008 7:05 am

If Proposition 8 fails, my school district will teach gay marriage and Superintendent of Public Instruction Jack O'Connell knows it!

Of course, school board members like me, some teachers, and some parents will resist this type of instruction. But like the Borg in the Star Trek Series, the law, education code, judges and pro-gay marriage groups will eventually force their "tolerant" view of gay marriage on all children in public schools.

This is how it will work in California public schools:

Education Code section 51933 makes it clear that schools that teach "comprehensive sex education" have to teach, "respect for marriage and committed relationships". This is something no school district can get around.

It is the choice of school districts whether or not they teach sex education. This is why the Anti- Proposition 8 campaign and Jack O'Connell say there is no requirement to teach about marriage.

What Jack O'Connell knows but doesn't say is that 96% of school districts teach comprehensive sex education. Those numbers are from O'Connell's California Department of Education. 96% must teach respect for marriage.

The only way out is to end sex education programs in all these school districts. That is something that just won't happen. Look at the outcry that takes place when boards try to emphasize more abstinence. The same groups against Proposition 8 strongly support sex education in our schools. As does O'Connell. They along with the education establishment that created sex education will fight anyone that tries to abolish it.

As you can see, Jack O'Connell saying that Proposition 8 doesn't affect children in schools is like saying the Governor's proposed sales tax hike won't affect people, because there is no mandate that they buy products covered by the sales tax.

But it isn't just sex education that's affected. Look at last year's California Association of Teachers of English Conference. One workshop was entitled "Reading and Writing Beyond the Closet: LGBTQ Inclusion in the English Classroom". (For those new to the acronyms it is Lesbian, Gay, Bi-Sexual, Trans-gendered, and Questioning). The 2009 conference has a whole strand on the topic.

Teen fiction, elementary school reading books, and history are all fair game. Over ten years ago, the leaders of the West Covina teachers union sued me because I tried to stop a workshop for middle school teachers called "Out of The Closet, Into The Classroom".

Passage of SB 777, which expanded discrimination law to include ANYTHING that might discriminate on the basis of gender, sexual orientation, or a classification in hate crime statutes, also impacts every aspect of educational activities.

This was before the debate about Proposition 8.

In their decision on the marriage case, the State Supreme Court found that by its very nature, limiting marriage to that between a man and a woman is discrimination based on sexual orientation.

How is a teacher, parent, or school board member going to overcome the Supreme Court, State law, and the educational establishment?

That brings us to opt-out provisions in California law. The very fact that Anti-Proposition 8 folks cite the opt-out provision should be a wake-up call that gay marriage will be taught and they know it. Otherwise, why bring up opt-out provisions?

The opt-out provision is very narrow in California and is limited to "sexually explicit content" that describes the functions of reproductive organs. That's it. Some have pointed out that two children from the infamous first grade class field trip to a same-sex marriage didn't go. They didn't go because it was an off-campus trip and permission is needed to leave campus. Had the marriage been done on the school campus, parents would not need to be notified nor allowed to opt-out.

You don't have to believe me. Believe the National Center for Lesbian Rights (NCLR). NCLR has given $300,000 to the No on Prop 8 campaign and its Executive Director is on the No on 8 Steering Committee. Their legal analysis, LGBT Legal Issues for School Attorneys, says:

"State law explicitly provides that 'instruction or materials that discuss gender, sexual orientation, or family life and do not discuss human reproductive organs and their functions' is not subject to the parental notice and opt-out laws. California Education Code § 51932(b)." (Pg.31)

There is no opt-out for gay marriage and the legal and educational establishment is dedicated to using existing law to force it on public schools.

When you see the advertisements with Jack O'Connell saying that Proposition 8 is not going to lead to gay marriage being taught in schools, he is either a fool or trying to fool you and that is shameful.
What this does is force my little Johny & Janey to learn that if Johny want's to get married to Bobby, his best friend in 5th grade, he can & should consider it!

As well if my little Jane listens to the teacher who is obligated by law to teach that is is her option to fall in love with, marry & raise a family with Susi - she should pursue that whether or not it is what Mom & Dad think to be biologically correct.

You do understand what this does to a parent don't you?

:confused:

Don't get me wrong here I think the gay community is absolutely brilliant!!

And I am no the only one who thinks this:
http://www.vectorresearch.com/articles/vector_research_how_the_gays_won2.pdf
 
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I think that I should let you know and everybody else who posts big long copy and paste things. I get bored after the first sentence, so I don't read them.

I "preach" tolerance over there as well. I "preach" tolerance every where I go. I have defended you many times, but frankly sometimes I look very foolish defending you. I actually have to preach it less over there, because, if you are upsetting the community, they vote you out. I am not attacking you, just stating how my opinion has changed over time.

I also see no harm in teaching children that it is perfectly ok to be gay.
 

Krustee

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I think that I should let you know and everybody else who posts big long copy and paste things. I get bored after the first sentence, so I don't read them.
By doing this Harmony you do yourself a disservice!

Far too many refuse to learn by not reading information that could very well influence their opinion.

My only weapon in a debate with another is to provide compelling evidence for my side of the argument.

If some choose to remain ignorant of the facts that is to their own detriment.

I consider it my duty to keep myself informed such that I may make responsible decisions in my life.


I also see no harm in teaching children that it is perfectly ok to be gay.
Here we have a fundamental difference of belief.

I believe it is my duty as a parent to raise & teach my children to be individual thinkers & to have a moral compass that will enable them to lead a life that is fulfilling & respectable.

I cannot teach them to embrace something I do not believe in.

I can teach tolerance & acceptance, but not for them to explore alternative lifestyles.

I "preach" tolerance over there as well. I "preach" tolerance every where I go. I have defended you many times, but frankly sometimes I look very foolish defending you. I actually have to preach it less over there, because, if you are upsetting the community, they vote you out. I am not attacking you, just stating how my opinion has changed over time.
No need to defend me Harmony.
I have made no secret of why I post the way I do.

I know my commentary is not politically correct.

I spur controversy & stir the pot.

I get banned a lot & people love to hate me.

But what does this show really?

Intolerance!


Krustee, I hope you feel the same way about the women who teach your boys. More so, what if you had daughters? Would you not have the slightest concern that they might be getting some 'private tutoring' by their male teachers and coaches?

At one point when I was in high school my girlfriend was was sucked in to an innappropriate affair with the slimebag sports coach. He was notorious for groping and pinching, hugging and kissing, and in some cases, physically beating the girls in the sports programs. They all loved him though, of course; aren't they so cute when they're damaged?

He eventually got caught with his pants down, in his office, with one of the girls. Nothing really happened, they sent him to another school. Oh good Heavens how boys can be boys! Just like that Tom Ellison fellow at Prince of Wales school in Kits. C'mon now! How could he resist? Those chicks were hawt! And boy did they admire him...
Sorry to hear that happened to someone close to you.

But imagine, if you dare, that his preference were not of the pink and juicy type, but of shall we say the more animated types of genitalia... -What if he liked boys?- Now that... Now that is just sick. Castration!

You see what I'm saying? While you're musing the dangers and grossness of gays around our children (adults too, as you pointed out), there are predators, male and female, having their way, 'heterosexually', with our sons and daughters. Female predators are a little less common but it is just as damaging (wouldnt have been for you Krustee we know, I bet you were gettin "straight A's", if you you know what I mean! Oh!)

Sick fucks are everywhere, Krustee. I strongly believe that a majority of the sick fucks that prey on children are so called 'heterosexual' and might just be offended at what they see at the gay pride parade. Go figure.
There are some I have no tolerance for & those who take advantage of children & other innocent people are in that category.

I may be opinionated but I am humane.

Your suspicion and concern of someone touching you or your sons is valid and very real, but to reserve it just for gays? Oh how you have so much to learn about this world. Gays get laid, lots, by consenting adults. No need to trick a child into grabbing your junk because you havent been touched by a woman in ten years. Just ask those Catholic priests how their balls ache, and what they drive them to do... ;)

And are you really concerned that your boys will be 'taught' whom to marry when they grow up? Thats your job. Although you, and the school (if they try), will fail. Your sons will marry who they marry... most likely some gold digger. Make sure you have the "pre-nup" chat. :rolleyes:

Respectfully,

MurrMan
I do not actually have children so Johny & Jane were only used for allegorical purposes.

But yes I do see your point.

I would hope that I and my wife are allowed to teach our children in the manner we deem appropriate & not that which the government or some special interest group dictates.

Furthermore, I am not gay & although I am tolerant of them living their lives how they wish I do not care to have them attempt to interject or impose their morality on myself or my family.

If at some time I have a child who tells me they are gay I will be an understanding father, I will still love them fully but I will not approve of that lifestyle choice.

There is a difference between tolerance & selling out ones principles!

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