Celebration of a Child Molester......it's okay?

[BrokeBastard]

So a famous pop star is having one huge memorial today. The allegations of pedophilla have never been confirmed.

Should there be such fan adoration for such a 'person'? His music is great. His outside life not so great.

 

[BrokeBastard]

Broke Bastard, I love the creativity of your PERB name but, that aside, I would like for you to STFU. Michael Jackson was still a human being. Try living his life. You think it was easy? Think really really hard before answering this.

I guess you would let him babysit your kids/nephew/nieces?

 

[letitrock]

As weird as he was, he was still a legend
I guess he's innocent unless proven guilty

 

[BrokeBastard]

He's an icon........and you!!!??

I'll always respect him for that and his songs were pretty damn good and memorable.

I'm just an ordinary slob who's never going to leave any legacy behind. Just like YOU.

Hell I love his songs. Just questioning his private life. And it's a lot different than sleeping around with adults.

 

[MissTakes]

From Wikipedia:

In 1993, Michael Jackson was accused of abuse by Evan Chandler, on behalf of his then-13-year-old child, Jordan Chandler. Jackson and Jordan had become friends in May 1992, to the father's disapproval and concern. The friendship became well known, as the tabloid media reported that Jackson became a member of the Chandler family unit. Under the influence of a controversial sedative administered by Evan Chandler, his son said that Jackson had touched his penis. On January 1, 1994, Jackson settled a civil suit out of court with the Chandler family and their legal team for $22 million.


His talents as a performer should not excuse his more than bizarre behavior. The 1993 allegations were never proved in court and he was later acquiited of additonal charges in 2005. My question is, if he was innocent of molesting that boy in 93, why did he choose to pay $22 million to shut the family up?

The answer in my opinion is that where there is smoke, there is fire.

Rest in peace Michael, but no, I would never have left him alone with my child.

 

[bcneil]

Should there be such fan adoration for such a 'person'? His music is great. His outside life not so great.

People are going to be fans of whoever they want. How can you stop them? Order them to stop being fans.

 

[TheSilkenBadger]

Honestly time to put this into perspective. 99.999999% of us never met, broke bread or had anydealings with Jacko. If you did good for you you have that memory of the man.

First and foremost he was an entertainer thrown into our public conscience since he was a child. He could sing, he could dance, he could write music. Did he touch peoples souls with the stuff he did.. certainly. But thats it. He made money, he lost money. he was a tragic figure.. whatever.

His death does not alter life on this planet. He was not a scientist finding a cure for Cancer or Aids. He was not a heroic figure that saved thousands of lives. He was an entertainer...

So when the day comes and it will that some other world reknowned singer Madonna, George Michaels etc etc etc passes away do we have to go through this all over again!!

 

[HB40]

dont question his private life or anyone unless you know them personally

You said it, brother. Amen.

Let us remember Michael Jackson as his daughter--and his other children--will remember him: a kind loving father who loved his children.

I agree with luv 2 lick pussy's sentiments and exactly why your comment spermie is as stupid as they come. The guy was eccentric and private, the certainty of him being a kind and loving father is as doubtful as the allegations of child abuse. I'll remember him as Michael Jackson and nothing else, afterall he was only human just like the rest of us.

 

[HB40]

Are you calling his daughter a liar?

Are you calling Jordan Chandler a liar?

 

[HB40]

Jordan never accused him - that was all spearheaded by his father Evan when he had a screenplay he wanted to get made into a picture. A NORMAL father would have went to the police. He just sued instead.

Which brings us right back to luv 2 lick pussy's comment!

It can just as easily be speculated that Evan was simply a loving father trying to protect and provide for his son, who knows.

Rest in peace MJ....or burn in hell, nobody can say for sure, but we can always hope.

 

[HB40]

I hope for the first part for your comment for Micheal.

And that is..........Rest in peace!

I hope so too.

 

[tom t runner]

So when the day comes and it will that some other world reknowned singer Madonna, George Michaels etc etc etc passes away do we have to go through this all over again!!

if Madonna dies tomorrow then yes, if she lives into her eighties then she will get an hour on CNN like the great Frank Sinatra did.

 

[Bartdude]

Everything I've read, seen, and heard about the allegations leads me to believe they were false.

His desire to hang around kids was certainly worthy of concern - but the way those charges came about smelled worse - to quote Sean Connery in The Untouchables - "than a whorehouse at low tide" (no offense, ladies).

http://www.calgarysun.com/comment/columnists/edward_greenspan/2009/07/06/10035241-sun.html

Elizabeth Taylor probably said it best - she just might have been the only person in his life that never betrayed him.

I did not watch any of the memorial on TV, not really interested in the mass media orgy, but I'm also not going to waste any time dumping all over him.

He was one of the greatest entertainment icons ever. Period.

If you're going to start getting into stuff happening out of the limelight, you'd better make room on your bandwagon of hate for about 300 more of the biggest stars in history.

 

[sirlickheralot]

Are you calling Jordan Chandler a liar?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_child_sexual_abuse_accusations_against_Michael_Jackson

On July 2, 1993, in a private telephone conversation, Chandler was tape recorded as saying,

There was no reason why he [Jackson] had to stop calling me...I picked the nastiest son of a bitch I could find [Evan Chandler's lawyer, Barry Rothman], all he wants to do is get this out in the public as fast as he can, as big as he can and humiliate as many people as he can. He's nasty, he's mean, he's smart and he's hungry for publicity. Everything's going to a certain plan that isn't just mine. Once I make that phone call, this guy is going to destroy everybody in sight in any devious, nasty, cruel way that he can do it. I've given him full authority to do that. Jackson is an evil guy, he is worse than that and I have the evidence to prove it. If I go through with this, I win big-time. There's no way I lose. I will get everything I want and they will be destroyed forever...Michael's career will be over.[2]

—Evan Chandler
In the same conversation, when asked how this would affect his son, Chandler replied, "That's irrelevant to me...It will be a massacre if I don't get what I want. It's going to be bigger than all us put together...This man [Jackson] is going to be humiliated beyond belief...He will not sell one more record".[2]

In early August, Chandler, a registered dentist, extracted a tooth from his son's mouth, and was later forced to admit that he used the controversial sedative sodium Amytal during the procedure.[1] Under the influence of the drug, Jordan alleged that Jackson had touched his penis. Experts state that the drug sodium Amytal "makes patients extremely susceptible to suggestions".

Jordan may not be a liar, but his father is definately a piece of work. Pretty damn suspicious that he gave his son that particular drug for dental work, not a common drug to use for dentistry. I think it is very likely he was the one who planted the suggestion of molestation into his son's head, so his little extortion plan would work.

 

[HB40]

Go fuck yourself.

That is the only relevant thing you have ever said on this ESCORT review board, thanks spermie.....there may be hope for you yet.

 

[Purrr VertIcal]

I always thought he was a fool to pay the settlement (extortion) money.

My guess is, he was sooooo sick of all the BS, he just wanted it done and gone. That, plus the burden of proof in a civil case is much different than a criminal case, much lest stringent. So with hearsay and a bunch of loose circumstantial 'evidence', you can still lose, even if it was not true. With a coerced child testifying...
Look at his judicial strategic position as if you were MJ:
the word of a child against yours, whom the world views as a talented but personal 'freak'?
And what other rich persons own a mansion designed for a second childhood called Neverland? Your odds are not good in civil court. Furthermore, you are certainly going to suffer further, (perhaps worse) terrible character assassination by the viscious prosecution. Even if not true. Who wants that? And 20 million is pocket change to him...Anyone who can rent a mansion for $100,000 a month, paying 20 million is not a huge sweat.

(Not the best example, but look at OJ for example. He was convicted by lawsuit, even when the glove (one glove, at that!) didn't fit, when he was not-guilty in criminal court. With Michael, we already know the one glove fits - sorry, had to).

Yes, 20 mil may be pocket money, but he was so totally stupid to do it,
as now everyone can point to it and say, "if he wasn't guilty, why would he pay?".

 

[smackyo]

From Wikipedia:

In 1993, Michael Jackson was accused of abuse by Evan Chandler, on behalf of his then-13-year-old child, Jordan Chandler. Jackson and Jordan had become friends in May 1992, to the father's disapproval and concern. The friendship became well known, as the tabloid media reported that Jackson became a member of the Chandler family unit. Under the influence of a controversial sedative administered by Evan Chandler, his son said that Jackson had touched his penis. On January 1, 1994, Jackson settled a civil suit out of court with the Chandler family and their legal team for $22 million.


His talents as a performer should not excuse his more than bizarre behavior. The 1993 allegations were never proved in court and he was later acquiited of additonal charges in 2005. My question is, if he was innocent of molesting that boy in 93, why did he choose to pay $22 million to shut the family up?

The answer in my opinion is that where there is smoke, there is fire.

Rest in peace Michael, but no, I would never have left him alone with my child.

sometimes its cheaper just to settle out of court even if innocent.

so if i can answer your question with a question, why did the parents settle for money instead of the dignity of their child in going for justice?

 

[jeepjeep]

For me anyway, I look at it all this way.

Everyone has good and bad in them. Some folks more of one over the other. I don't know and will likely never know if MJ was guilty of those charges, so I will remember and celebrate the many good things he did and let the other thing be judged by a higher authority, if there is one. If there isn't a higher authority, screw it, he is dead either way.

I will be happy when the media circus is all over.

 

[Karl Blues]

For me anyway, I look at it all this way.

Everyone has good and bad in them. Some folks more of one over the other. I don't know and will likely never know if MJ was guilty of those charges, so I will remember and celebrate the many good things he did and let the other thing be judged by a higher authority, if there is one. If there isn't a higher authority, screw it, he is dead either way.

I will be happy when the media circus is all over.

That is the most sensible thing I have seen/heard.

It's easy to judge, yet so many things are filtered thru the media's need to sell commercial. The media will do everything they can to get you to watch/listen.

May the grieving family find peace & harmony. I have been there thru the death of a young relative, and it is overwhelmingly difficult.

 

[kidstone]

For over ten years, whatever Michael Jackson had achieved as a pop icon was overshadowed by his total weirdness. I didn't see a lot of folks coming out and proclaiming his genius or his great contributions to humanity. For most people, if they mentioned him at all, he was a burned out pop star or a bad joke.

Now suddenly you all want to play his songs (well five of them-because that's the only ones I keep hearing over and over again) and tell me that he changed your lives and touched your very souls.

The entertainment media that was quite willing to examine all the skeletons in his closet, now wants to tell me that Michael Jackson was the greatest entertainer the world will ever know.

And great orations are given (especially at black music events), while the pictures of Jackson as a teen are projected in the background. Rarely do we see him as he looked in these last ten years. It's like Soviet photographic revisionism. When he was alive, Jackson became white. But now he's dead, we can make him black again.

And all the statements that are rehearsed by fans and representatives of the Jackson family attempt to explain all the weirdnesses of his behavior with a jumble of stories that don't quite mesh as one comprehensive explanation.

Yet there is a simple explanation out there. Michael Jackson was abused as a child, and like many victims of abuse who go untreated he developed psychological problems--such as body dysmorphia--and ultimately became an abuser of children himself.

In the court of public opinion, most people who are even accused of child abuse end up with that stigma forever--guilty or not. But Jackson's death gets him off the hook? If John Robin Sharpe died, would people start saying nice things about him?

And by his own actions, Michael Jackson abused his power over children. He had money and celebrity and he could get any child he wanted to come to his Neverland and sleep in the same bed with him. By his own words this is what he did. And by anyone's sense this is not proper.

You don't let a little kid sleep with a total stranger just because he's Michael Jackson and he has more money than god. And you don't sell your kids to Michael Jackson and let him raise them.

I always knew the entertainment industry was full of hypocrisy. But I never realized it could be so monumental and that so many would swallow it complete and whole.

Michael Jackson was a sweet young kid--the same age as me--and I loved his music back then. But that just makes the arc of his life all the more tragic. I mourn the child that he was and I mourn the loss of everyone's innocence, including my own. But I'm not going to ignore the truth that's as plain as the nose on his face.