Edmonton takes better care of our girls than any city in Canada, why do you think it's industry standard that girls charge 300 and hour for safe GFE?
Ripoff Conspiracy in "the Business"
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Girls make their own choices about what they want to charge. At the touch it is $434/hr for non gfe 
I charge $300/hr for safe gfe, and am busy enough, I could probably charge more. I am not arguing with you really. I just think that it is silly to collect the money after. There is no incentive to pay after the man no longer is horny, lol
I charge $300/hr for safe gfe, and am busy enough, I could probably charge more. I am not arguing with you really. I just think that it is silly to collect the money after. There is no incentive to pay after the man no longer is horny, lol
Well maybe thats just your clients who feel that way about you...
Another factor is that even though prostitution is legal in Canada a MP can be closed down for being a bawdy house. This means if a cop walked in and a girl says "okay HJ/BJ/SEX/GFE cost 160/200/250/300" it would be easy for them to prove the place only exists for the sake of being a bawdy house and would be shut down. Where as if a guys naked and you have been rubbing him its not likely he would be a undercover cop. I dont think "so she had been rubbing my nude body for 10 minutes when while cupping my balls she asked if I would like a blow job" looks good on a report.
In Vancouver they have NO MPs left, they have mostly been shut down so the few who do exist run a very high risk so they may charge more. However 90% of Vancouver girls do GFE for less than 260 an hour. You cant find local girls here charging under 300 with the exception of one or two doing a special once in a while.
Another factor is that even though prostitution is legal in Canada a MP can be closed down for being a bawdy house. This means if a cop walked in and a girl says "okay HJ/BJ/SEX/GFE cost 160/200/250/300" it would be easy for them to prove the place only exists for the sake of being a bawdy house and would be shut down. Where as if a guys naked and you have been rubbing him its not likely he would be a undercover cop. I dont think "so she had been rubbing my nude body for 10 minutes when while cupping my balls she asked if I would like a blow job" looks good on a report.
In Vancouver they have NO MPs left, they have mostly been shut down so the few who do exist run a very high risk so they may charge more. However 90% of Vancouver girls do GFE for less than 260 an hour. You cant find local girls here charging under 300 with the exception of one or two doing a special once in a while.
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Play nice, people, no point arguing back and forth between pay before or pay after in a thread about girls being ripped off. For girls, getting pay up front does not mean that you still can't get ripped off. For guys, paying later does not necessarily guarantee you better service.
As a guy, when I decided on a session, my mindset is that once I have allocated the budget, I am willing to part with it. In every session I have partaken, the donation was always placed in plain sight at the beginning of the session, and the lady never touch it until the session ends. How about that for a compromise?
As a guy, when I decided on a session, my mindset is that once I have allocated the budget, I am willing to part with it. In every session I have partaken, the donation was always placed in plain sight at the beginning of the session, and the lady never touch it until the session ends. How about that for a compromise?
Harmony, you should come on tour to Edmonton!
The problem I see here is that you just committed yourself to a session without first checking the menu and deciding if the price is right.
What about discussions occurring behind closed doors between both parties? Any repercussions there?
Agree, it's a shame our local indy scene is practically non-existent.
Sandy, Sorry to hear you had to take these measure, but I'm glad to hear that the person in question was delivered to the police. I just might have to pop in for one of those bodyslides referenced here!
Kash has the right of it. We have two threads at the top of the Edmonton forum at present which speak of fraud from both perspectives:
-- The sham client who gets the goods and then attempts a "dine and dash" (for lack of a better phrase); and
-- The sham SP who takes takes a client's money and provides no service, save for the offer of a potential beat-down.
Extreme April is also right: Neither story is good for the profession, be you SP or client.
So maybe all we can ask is to be civil with each other? Don't assume an SP who asks for the money up front is trying to rip you off, and don't assume a guy who is reluctant to lay it all out up front is trying to scam you. But if either of you is uncomfortable, that you don't feel you can trust the person for any reason, then just don't do it. And if you find yourself on the other end of that mistrust, whatever the circumstances, we should all try to be understanding.
I myself have been asked to pay up front twice in my last two sessions (both at Revive, one with a legend and one with a potential legend-in-the-making) and both were great experiences (albeit for somewhat different reasons). I didn't begrudge the request, and they didn't scrimp on their services; nor has it ever been the case, save for one anomalous time, where I felt I got the proverbial shaft by paying up front (and yes, I mean figuratively).
So a win-win is more often the norm than not, and not only should we be thankful for that, but we should all strive to keep it that way.
-- The sham client who gets the goods and then attempts a "dine and dash" (for lack of a better phrase); and
-- The sham SP who takes takes a client's money and provides no service, save for the offer of a potential beat-down.
Extreme April is also right: Neither story is good for the profession, be you SP or client.
So maybe all we can ask is to be civil with each other? Don't assume an SP who asks for the money up front is trying to rip you off, and don't assume a guy who is reluctant to lay it all out up front is trying to scam you. But if either of you is uncomfortable, that you don't feel you can trust the person for any reason, then just don't do it. And if you find yourself on the other end of that mistrust, whatever the circumstances, we should all try to be understanding.
I myself have been asked to pay up front twice in my last two sessions (both at Revive, one with a legend and one with a potential legend-in-the-making) and both were great experiences (albeit for somewhat different reasons). I didn't begrudge the request, and they didn't scrimp on their services; nor has it ever been the case, save for one anomalous time, where I felt I got the proverbial shaft by paying up front (and yes, I mean figuratively).
So a win-win is more often the norm than not, and not only should we be thankful for that, but we should all strive to keep it that way.
Wow Bobo, never had your kind of experience at an MP. That way just seems awkward at best.
Here is the way it typically goes for me at an MP.
- Girl takes me in to a private room, closes the door.
- We have some small chit chat to try to determine if there is a connection there if we have never met.
- During the conversation the girl almost always asks what I am looking for and if I am interested in staying. I think that they ask what I am looking for so that I solicit them and not the other way around and it absolves them of some legalities.
- The session, services and cost are determined beforehand and typically once agreed, the girl starts the shower and leaves for a bit.
- I take the shower, session takes place and payment is taken care of at the end of the session. I do a lot of research on a girl before I see her, so if she asks for payment up front, I typically don't have an issue with it and do so and I am pretty sure of the quality of service before I go in.
Also, there are numerous posts of guys getting ripped off by escorts in hotel rooms.
Agree with you on that point for sure.
Sorry to hear that the OP had a problem with a bad client
(I'm surprised that money wasn't asked upfront), but taking
images or video recordings of clients sounds a little bit too
extreme for me. Whatever happened to discretion?
Ok, so there are NO mps, or they have been "mostly shut down" meaning that there are some??
Either none, or some, but either way, you should let the City of Vancouver know because they are the ones charging mps and amps (that apparently are all shut down) exorbitant fees for their biz licenses.Just don't tell vanboy that the mps are all shut down. He will go ballistic.
90% do GFE for under 260? An hour? Are you sure? You should talk to all the whiners in Vancouver who insist the average rate in Vancouver is 300/hr (for indys), maybe full GFE but lots of restrictions lol.
I think what you are seeing is that the mp in Edmonton has a room charge, non-negotiable, that the sp must pay upfront. Every mp everywhere has similar charges. The sp you see for 300/hr is making less than that Vancouver sp you pay 260, for the same services.
Paying before appts is eventually going to be the norm, just as paying ahead is the norm for many many other goods and services. There are very few things that you can select and use without paying for them first, you know.
My take on it, again is, . I understand the way Edmonton works, it is the same at the few parlors left in Van. Except Edmonton does it less in the girls favor and more in the guys favor. Although the whole all inclusive agency thing here works more in the guys favor than the girls. The only way to make fun money in Van is if you are independent . I imagine that you would do better at a parlor in Edmonton, than here. The following is just about not getting ripped off, not which city is better.
The way I have always done it working in parlors, (not while being independent) is as follows;
The gentleman gets naked, gets in shower, lays on table/bed, gives the guy a nice friendly sexy massage, get him horny, talk money, get paid after you've determined if he is LE or not, then do the bump and grind or what ever is your fantasy. If he does not have money in his pocket, you take collateral, ie; wallet, car keys, fancy watch, wedding ring, etc. House and personal regulars know the drill and just pay. For all new comers above drill happens.
The only way girl gets ripped off, is if he does not come back for what he left for collateral. I used to always try to make sure that the collateral was approximately the same cash value.
. I understand the way Edmonton works, it is the same at the few parlors left in Van. Except Edmonton does it less in the girls favor and more in the guys favor. Although the whole all inclusive agency thing here works more in the guys favor than the girls. The only way to make fun money in Van is if you are independent . I imagine that you would do better at a parlor in Edmonton, than here. The following is just about not getting ripped off, not which city is better.The way I have always done it working in parlors, (not while being independent) is as follows;
The gentleman gets naked, gets in shower, lays on table/bed, gives the guy a nice friendly sexy massage, get him horny, talk money, get paid after you've determined if he is LE or not, then do the bump and grind or what ever is your fantasy. If he does not have money in his pocket, you take collateral, ie; wallet, car keys, fancy watch, wedding ring, etc. House and personal regulars know the drill and just pay. For all new comers above drill happens.
The only way girl gets ripped off, is if he does not come back for what he left for collateral. I used to always try to make sure that the collateral was approximately the same cash value.
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And you would be the perfect customer.When visiting MPS, I always know what I want to do & how much I'm willing to spend. Cash in pocket. I negotiate the session in the room, before the shower & pay the lady in full. I shower, she leaves for a few moments to get ready & (I assume) count the money & tuck it away somewhere safe. She comes back in. We do the session with no worries of rip offs & just have fun with our minds on what we are there for.
I can stagger out of a session with a head filled with jello & no worries that I forgot to pay. I might have forgot my car keys or my pants back in the room, but I didn't short the lady.
Forgot pants is funny.
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In any place in the world you pay first...
Pretty much any 'illicit' transaction involves paying first. I would venture to say that if we did a poll on here 99% of the people responding would say they were always asked and expected to pay up front.
I dunno. I think illicit transactions by definition are not legal or regulated, so the rules are whatever is negotiated and acceptable to both parties.
For the record, I have seen probably about 10 different SPs in my life, and two of the ten asked for the money up front for the first session; the rest asked for it after. For the SPs I've seen regularly, I've always paid at the end of the sessions.
Again, I don't have a problem with paying up front, and have often offered the money up front if I was seeing a new girl. But you know what though, SPs say they can't feel comfortable giving a good session without the money, but looking at it from my standpoint, the first time I saw my latest regular I offered to pay up front and she refused, saying she'd just take it at the end. I found that level of trust endearing, and she's been my regular ever since.
I know it sucks for girls to get ripped off, but all I'm pounding the table about is that guys get ripped off too, so one-rule-fits-all is not a solution in my view.
