How Do YOU Feel About the Watering Down of COCKtails

[FortunateOne]

and you don't compete with asian sp's right?

most times i've heard of the place being mentioned is just based on their cleanliness, the location has rarely mattered.

Okay.

I think my point is simple: a guy looks at an ad for SL (and keep in mind, he's looking for a cool blonde, obviously this is not someone who is looking for an asian, so not competing no), he contacts SL, he speaks with SL, he makes an appt with SL, he shows up and lo and behold SL is there, not some other blonde chick. Not only that, there is no waiting line, no one else around. That, and the fact that he actually wanted an appt with SL, is why he contacted SL. In the end, there is only one Sandi Laine, and probably only a half dozen sps in Vancouver who could match her description of blonde, same age, downtown, will be here 6 weeks in the future so you can repeat with the exact same Sandi Laine, and possesses an exceptional reputation.

All asian sps have one description and one menu. There are a hundred or more of them with the exact same description. The micros know this, and when you book with Hana, they give you Jina and tell you it is Hana, correct? Because it doesn't matter to them, to the majority of the clients, or the sps themselves who gets who, as long as everyone gets there piece of the pie lol.

This is what supply/demand is actually. Limited supply (only one Sandi Laine = more demand than she can fulfill = higher rates). Excessive supply (100 asian sps = demand can easily be fulfilled at any time = lower rates).

 

[Valium]

Sandi, obviously nobody likes fake pictures, bait & switch, getting ripped off, and such. Unfortunately it's inevitable in a business such as this where large amounts of money change hands. There will always be someone trying to make a few bucks at the expense of others. It's not limited to a certain price range, or certain race, or a particular type of business.

So what is your real reason for posing this question? To me your post seems like nothing more than a poorly veiled advertisement for "your group", whatever that is.

I think you missed her point spic.
Sandi & her crew provide a service that few others in this biz can compare with.

I think you missed the point. Sandi and her crew may provide exceptional service but there are many in the biz who can compare, some who charge much less. It's really up to the customer to decide what they want.

When I see review after review of VV, SL, SNL, BA, Jxxx, Nikki-Amore, etc etc etc all going over time, all going above and beyond the expectations, all providing exceptional services and exceptional experiences, all in a private and intimate environment, that is when I question the motivations of such "information".

Obviously you have not read the recent reviews of Jxxx?
All the claims of professionalism, providing exceptional service, going above and beyond expectations mean nothing when you stand up prospective clients.

No SP can guarantee you will have a great time. There are always issues with compatibility, and sometimes even with the best reviewed SP the spark just isn't there.

I think some members are having issues with the "OUR" group comment.

1) Who exactly is your group?
2) Your group never have a bad day and give poor service?
3) None of your group use fake pictures?
4) As for recommendations, if someone wanted a referral in the $150 range, can you do that?

I would like to know as well.

 

[Sandi Laine]

"What SL either fails to realize or will not admit, these Asian SP's are not competing in price against her, but against other Asian SP's. But, to call their service "watered down" is hardly fact. Almost all my pooning experiences have been with Asian ladies because my sessions with Caucasiaqn providers left me feeling like something was missing. Too superficial."

1. "Our Group" we know who we are
2. Bad days, poor service hmmmm, none that I know of
3. No fake pictures, that I have seen.
4. 150 recommendation....uh? hmm Asian agency maybe
I cant make a recommendation for anything less than 250


My thoughts had nothing to do with Asian anything.


No, no, no what I meant is the industry has become watered down. Just about any girl, lady, with a computer can place an ad on craigslist, for free or for a few dollars on any site. Believe it or not there is alot more to this job than just being, beautiful, and fucking.

Oh, and YES, I actually have been to the Asian rub and tug on Kingsway and Broadway, just to see what you get for a 150, so I do have room to speak...a little. I wished that I had spent the money at BEBE on robson instead and got a tshirt instead of my "back rub"

Sandi

 

[uncleg]

Gentlemen,

We all know that sometimes when something looks too good to be true, (low rates, hotter than fucking hot pictures and whatever the other sales tactics are)..well need I say more.

Most of you do your research, bravo and good for you to educate yourself in order to make an informed decision about where your hard earned dollars are spent. I hate hearing about gentlemen, getting ripped off, it makes the industry, me and all the other really great ladies too, look terrible.

I was having a conversation with another lady fron Perb this evening we discussed how the business has become watered down with fake ads and unprofessionals. Buyer beware, be safe and cautious. We owe it to each other to help keep everyone safe. I am pretty sure in a wild and round about way we probably all have been with one and other without even knowing it, or maybe just didn't think about it that way....hmmm wouldn't that be a huge PARTY one time?!!

Seriously though, what you see is what you get with "OUR", group.

Even if I am not what you are seeking for in an SP, I am happy to make recomendations to what you may be looking for, as I have been to the "events" planned by other ladies. No, I am not a pimp, just a happy hooker.

My thoughts tonight.

Sandi


This is me in the picture!!!

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Actually this more me, thank you.

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This sort of reminds me of what was / is going on in the auto industry. The Big Three ruled the roost and when the Japanese showed up on the market they first wrote them off as a flash in the pan. They waited for the novelty to wear off instead of recognizing them as legit competition and adapting to deal with them.

This business has operated the same way. SL, you say there is more to this business then looking beautiful and fucking, really ? How many customers would you have if you were an ugly virgin ?

Yes, there are those guys that go to an SP for the "girlfriend" experience, that extra touch that makes it feel less like paid for sex then going to a micro or mp, but in the end, the goal is the same.

As to the advertising, is it really any different from what many other businesses do ? I haven't had a Big Mac yet that is as big as what they appear to be in their ad, or a steak as big at the Keg as what they advertise.
Hell. I don't know how many times I've gone to a store or car dealer for something specific that they advertised only to hear, it's been sold, but we have..... If the alternative is something you can live with, you buy it, if not you walk away.

I don't think anything has been watered down, it's just that there is more product on the market, therefore more choice and a wider range of prices and services. Just like any other business you do what it takes to get them in the door, make the sale and hope they are happy enough to come back.

 

[Unpossible]

Just about any girl, lady, with a computer can place an ad on craigslist, for free or for a few dollars on any site.

You just noticed that now?

Oh, and YES, I actually have been to the Asian rub and tug on Kingsway and Broadway, just to see what you get for a 150, so I do have room to speak...a little.

No, you don't.

Grow a penis and get back to us.

When I see review after review of VV,

LOL, we're obviously reading different boards because I don't see "review after review" of VV on here.

I know that, that is exactly my point. And yet you feel that even tho you have no direct experiences with such sps you can complain about their services, rates, and attitude.

LOL, because your first hand experience of amps/micros is extensive, right?

Hypocrite.

 

[uncleg]

But the question with that is ethics - I think fake pics and lying about stats is shady at best.

And the ethics of sex for money ?

Shady is not illegal. I don't think there is a whole lot of advertising of any kind that isn't puffed and fluffed a bit to make it more appealling to the buyer. Don't you all do it as well ?

 

[blazejowski]

Awwwww man, I thought this thread was going to actually be about watering down drinks.... I had so much to contribute!

 

[FortunateOne]

LOL, we're obviously reading different boards because I don't see "review after review" of VV on here.

Interesting edit -- that was a list of several sps, not just VV. And personally I have seen at least 2 reviews or comments of VV's services this month.

LOL, because your first hand experience of amps/micros is extensive, right?

Hypocrite.

As much as you have experience of indys, but feel free to make assumptions and judgements about them.

. Anything I post is based on actual repeated info from reviews by reviewers: they use fake pics, they switch girls & call them whatever you booked with, they overlap appts, they are approx 10 years older than the posted ages, they blow you off when someone else showed up 5 minutes earlier than you even if you already made an appt, they have you sit in the living room with a couple of other guys while you wait, you meet other pooner in the hallway or see them coming out of the shower, you hear the others in the adjacent rooms. Need I go on?

I thought the review boards evolved so that you would NOT have to experience this kind of shabby service from sps. Yet, apparently all of this is okay provided the sp is asian and cheap. If any non-asian did even one of the things listed above just once, you would be all over her. Just as mentioning Jxxx's one review that mentions her doing one of these things, yet anyone can see 2 dozen of these same scenarios from the asian reviews simply by browsing thru the first 25 posted reviews here lol.

Perhaps there should be an entirely different section to post the micro reviews so that people don't get confused and know exactly what to expect. That it is okay that they lie in their advertising, but no one else can. I would just like someone to explain to everyone when that all became "Okay" in any sp.

 

[SFMIKE]

"What SL either fails to realize or will not admit, these Asian SP's are not competing in price against her, but against other Asian SP's. But, to call their service "watered down" is hardly fact. Almost all my pooning experiences have been with Asian ladies because my sessions with Caucasiaqn providers left me feeling like something was missing. Too superficial."

1. "Our Group" we know who we are
2. Bad days, poor service hmmmm, none that I know of
3. No fake pictures, that I have seen.
4. 150 recommendation....uh? hmm Asian agency maybe
I cant make a recommendation for anything less than 250


My thoughts had nothing to do with Asian anything.


No, no, no what I meant is the industry has become watered down. Just about any girl, lady, with a computer can place an ad on craigslist, for free or for a few dollars on any site. Believe it or not there is alot more to this job than just being, beautiful, and fucking.

Oh, and YES, I actually have been to the Asian rub and tug on Kingsway and Broadway, just to see what you get for a 150, so I do have room to speak...a little. I wished that I had spent the money at BEBE on robson instead and got a tshirt instead of my "back rub"

Sandi

Sandi Lane:

Finally we have some common ground. You have been to the rub and tug at Broadway and Kingsway, eh? Great place

Care to tell us when. There used to be a place called Venus (I believe) but it has been gone for at least 5 years.

But, that is beside the point. If you did go there, how could you expect the service to be the same as the great service I used to receive there?

First, the girl was probably so intimidated by the fact that she had to massage a lady, let alone a Caucasian lady. But, the owner would have forced her to do this because of fear of the possibility that you were LE. How could you judge the service there considering these circumstances?

So, I am still waiting for you to tell us of the one session you had that allowed you to make your initial "watered down" accusation. Or, was the girl on the "do not review" list?

Now that would be a story and a thread for a different day.

 

[Valium]

This is what supply/demand is actually. Limited supply (only one Sandi Laine = more demand than she can fulfill = higher rates). Excessive supply (100 asian sps = demand can easily be fulfilled at any time = lower rates).

This is only partially true. I could also argue that there is only one true asian Ivy and many older caucasian providers such as SL. It depends if you have your heart set on a particular provider.

Anything I post is based on actual repeated info from reviews by reviewers: they use fake pics, they switch girls & call them whatever you booked with, they overlap appts, they are approx 10 years older than the posted ages, they blow you off when someone else showed up 5 minutes earlier than you even if you already made an appt, they have you sit in the living room with a couple of other guys while you wait, you meet other pooner in the hallway or see them coming out of the shower, you hear the others in the adjacent rooms. Need I go on?

You missed the critical point, they charge half as much. In the end it comes down to price. People are willing to make concessions to get a deal. This is true when purchasing any product so why should it be any different when purchasing sex? Think of the micro/amp atmosphere as packaging. Maybe the box is worn and not as nice as the full price version but what's inside is often the same. If you want the shiny new box you will pay full price but if you only care about the product inside you will go for the cheaper version.

I thought the review boards evolved so that you would NOT have to experience this kind of shabby service from sps. Yet, apparently all of this is okay provided the sp is asian and cheap. If any non-asian did even one of the things listed above just once, you would be all over her. Just as mentioning Jxxx's one review that mentions her doing one of these things, yet anyone can see 2 dozen of these same scenarios from the asian reviews simply by browsing thru the first 25 posted reviews here lol.

As i said above it comes down to price. To put it simply, i expect more from the self-proclaimed professionals who justify their higher rates claiming to be better and more reliable than other non-professional providers. When the reviews do not support their claims then i have to ask "what am i paying the extra $ for?"

This is not another asian vs. caucasion thread so please try to leave those comments out for once. The topic of this thread is the watering down of escorts by unprofessionals and false advertising. This occurs irrespective of race or price range. I agree there are too many girls doing this out of desperation just to make a quick buck who don't enjoy the work and don't care about their customers. However there also are some non-professionals who do this part time only to supplement their income and still provide great service and value.

Not all of us prefer the seasoned professionals. Some of us actually prefer the providers who are new to the business, maybe a little shy and inexperienced, maybe lacking in the service department, but have a more genuine attitude and none of the "routine" and business-like approach of the pros.

 

[smackyo]

There are ladies working the street for $20 to $50 been there much longer and working those prices for a hell of a lot longer than any of the fine ladies your defending. I mean hell whats wrong with those rates I'm sure they do bbbj too?

Smackyo I was only asking a question no need to get so defensive. Sorry if you find my value village addiction insulting? lol I think you should attempt to know something about who your talking to than making assumptions. You know nothing about me whatsoever. If you did you would never imply I was a spendaholic or frivolous in my spending habits.

if you re read my post you will see that i did indeed say that i don't know you so i couldn't say if it applied to you. i try not to make blanket assumptions on any group of people.

this was my exact quote "not you in particular cause i don't know you or your tastes.".

 

[hunsperger]

...

It's trading a service for money. No more or less ethical than any other financial exchange. I have something you (you general, not you specific!) want and I am willingly selling it. There's noting unethical about it.

how self-serving...

are you saying as long as there is a buyer and seller of something it is ethical ...

if you had a 14 year old daughter who was offering to sell her body and there was somebody ready to buy it, would you consider that ethical...

much more complex question than you have characterized it as...

 

[Harmony-bc]

fairly transparent and self-serving arguments, mostly.

The cost for providers at all levels is too high here, IMHO, and none of that is the fault of the ladies, who ask the prices. The fault lies with the gentlemen who both accept and encourage these prices by continuing to pay them. If people were unwilling to pay the prices, and didn't, then the market wouldn't be there. The ladies get these prices because the guys roll over and pay them. Good for the ladies. Too bad for the men. You have only yourselves to blame, both for the prices, and for the ridiculous restrictions you're willing to put up with and still pay for.

As for the argument that "It's my money, and I'll do what I want with it" , you guys are exactly the guys who create the artificially high market that goes along with your sense of entitlement. Some people seem to feel that because they pay more they get more. Sometimes that true, sometimes it isn't. Much like buying jeans, cars or houses. Tastes always vary, of course, and YMMV, but sometimes you screw and sometimes you just get screwed.

Feel free to flame away, ladies and gentlemen.

I have worked in Las Vegas where I was charging $1000/hr for full service. My friend just came back from New York, she was working for an agency that charged $1200/hr.

The common price here in Vancouver is $250-$300/hr.

Plus lots of girls have more affordable non full service packages like erotic massage or oral. If you search all over the United States, it is more expensive than here.

The only places in Canada that are cheaper than Vancouver are Montreal and Victoria (and not always).

There are even a lot of sexy, beautiful girls that advertise here that charge $200/hr, and some that charge $400/hr.

Why are you guys always harping on this. Do you not realise how tacky and insulting it is to talk about how much a human being is worth.

Ok, also years ago, I used to get acrylic nails done. I paid $65 for my first set. Now you can get them done on every corner for a full brand new set for $40.

People undercut and drive the market down. That is what is happening with the micros, they undercut, thinking that they will make all the money, but thank god they don't offer the same level of service (and I'm not talking sex) that I do or I would feel threatened.

 

[Jessikaxxx]

Im surprised...

I thought this thread would be about Sandi Laine's enjoyment of squirting on certain areas of the anatomy!
lol.
Guys getting ripped off because of bait & switch, or girls who profess to be escorts when they are actually thieves.
I agree that this can make a guy jaded about trying to call another girl.
Perhaps the girl not getting that call would have been Sandi, this would be taking food off of her table indeed.
Point made.

What I dont see is the relevance of the negative, off the topic responses made by a few losers. . . (sounds like a suck offf)


"...Obviously you have not read the recent reviews of Jxxx?
All the claims of professionalism, providing exceptional service, going above and beyond expectations mean nothing when you stand up prospective clients...." -valium

You must be talking about ONE recent "review" from someone I decided not to confirm or have an appoitment with, for safety/security related reasons.

Its not a review of my services. The session didnt take place.

Valium, do you have any other - even one - "recent reviews" of me to back up unsupported statements and shit-talking in regards to me?


Valium, do you have any knowledge or experience in regards to booking/ screening/ marketing/ price trends/ sales/ service levels,/ fair and competitive pricing / or any other factors relevant to this thread?

"...No, you don't.

Grow a penis and get back to us...." - unpossible.



Keep it real ladies and gents.
It is what it is.

xoxox,
jxxx
604-961-6260

 

[uncleg]

Do I? I try to be 100% honest about my advertising. My opinion is that fluffing and puffing just leads to embarrassment at the actual meeting when the fluffing and puffing are revealed to be fake. If I lie about my weight and measurements, you're going to know as soon as you walk in the door. And then that's just humiliating to both of us.

The only appealing thing I try and do in advertising is try and offer specials, and packages to fit every budget. I find that will benefit me (and you) more in the long run than fake pictures and lying about my weight/measurements.

We can agree on that. I've seen your site and think you have posted some of the more/most honest pictures out there.

I have worked in Las Vegas where I was charging $1000/hr for full service. My friend just came back from New York, she was working for an agency that charged $1200/hr.

The common price here in Vancouver is $250-$300/hr.

Plus lots of girls have more affordable non full service packages like erotic massage or oral. If you search all over the United States, it is more expensive than here.

The only places in Canada that are cheaper than Vancouver are Montreal and Victoria (and not always).

There are even a lot of sexy, beautiful girls that advertise here that charge $200/hr, and some that charge $400/hr.

Why are you guys always harping on this. Do you not realise how tacky and insulting it is to talk about how much a human being is worth.

Ok, also years ago, I used to get acrylic nails done. I paid $65 for my first set. Now you can get them done on every corner for a full brand new set for $40.

People undercut and drive the market down. That is what is happening with the micros, they undercut, thinking that they will make all the money, but thank god they don't offer the same level of service (and I'm not talking sex) that I do or I would feel threatened.

Do you think you /your friend can get that kind of money here ? I don't think so. So next question is, why not ? Why are you worth a $1,000.00 per hr in New York and $300.00 per hr in Vancouver ? There's more to that then just the service level. As to the guys harping on the prices, the pot calling the kettle black.

What you call undercutting and driving the market down, some people call competition. Some people deal with it, others bitch about it, still others enjoy it. The reality is, it's not going to go away.

 

[SFMIKE]

Sandi Lane:

Finally we have some common ground. You have been to the rub and tug at Broadway and Kingsway, eh? Great place

Care to tell us when. There used to be a place called Venus (I believe) but it has been gone for at least 5 years.

But, that is beside the point. If you did go there, how could you expect the service to be the same as the great service I used to receive there?

First, the girl was probably so intimidated by the fact that she had to massage a lady, let alone a Caucasian lady. But, the owner would have forced her to do this because of fear of the possibility that you were LE. How could you judge the service there considering these circumstances?

So, I am still waiting for you to tell us of the one session you had that allowed you to make your initial "watered down" accusation. Or, was the girl on the "do not review" list?

Now that would be a story and a thread for a different day.

Sandi Lane started this thread and yesterday she posted about her trip to an AMP at Broadway and Kingsway. So, as you can see I invited her to post her review in order to more substiantiate her charge of watered-down service.

So, Jessixxx, your comment "off the topic responses made by a few losers" holds less water when she will not respond to my effort to bring her back on topic.

 

[Fullhouse]

What I'm saying that sex is a speciality service, much like plumbing or practising law. I don't see anything wrong with the buying or selling of it.

YES Missy, you got that right.

I've been fucked by a plumber and a lawyer.-------------and no, I didn't enjoy it.

 

[smackyo]

Why the FUCK are you making a big issue about this anyhow!!!!?? What it too you? Seems to me from your past remarks, you live for drama!!

Get a fucking life and mind your own business!! You really think people on here care about you or what you say!??

With all the problems in this world..........we have this.....unreal!!!
Talk about the big picture understanding!!

not to start a flame war with you here but sfmike has been a member of this board either longer or just as long as i have. check his over 1000 posts compared to your just over 100.

over that time he has reviewed and pointed lots of pooners in good directions for good service, so i'd say that yes some people on here do care about what he has to say.

i'm sure sfmike can defend himself but i thought i'd educated you to the situation. if you don't like the thread or what he as to say, then don't read it.

 

[hunsperger]

...

Why are you guys always harping on this. Do you not realise how tacky and insulting it is to talk about how much a human being is worth.

Harmony, you seem like a nice person and all...

but surely you meant this as a joke...

remember sweetie, it is just sex for money and money for sex...

nothing more...

 

[Valium]

What I dont see is the relevance of the negative, off the topic responses made by a few losers. . .

"...Obviously you have not read the recent reviews of Jxxx?
All the claims of professionalism, providing exceptional service, going above and beyond expectations mean nothing when you stand up prospective clients...." -valium

I was speaking not only about you but also in general terms.

You must be talking about ONE recent "review" from someone I decided not to confirm or have an appoitment with, for safety/security related reasons.

Its not a review of my services. The session didnt take place.

I did not comment about your service. From all accounts you provide exceptional service. My comment was about your lack of professionalism.

Valium, do you have any other - even one - "recent reviews" of me to back up unsupported statements and shit-talking in regards to me?

As you wish

Had my first experience with Jessika.

First the negative part. Booked an appointment for 1:00pm. I called her at 12:00 as instructed to let her know I was on my way. There was no answer, so I left a voice mail. Arrived at her building at 1:00 and called her again. No answer and another voice mail left. I hung around for 15 minutes, leaving another voice mail and a text message. At this point, with no contact, I figured I was SOL and drove away. At 1:30pm I got a text asking me to call her. I called and she apologized and asked if we could meet at 2:00. It was a little later than I wanted and I had another appointment at 3:00, but, my little head was in charge and wanted to get some attention. 2:00 it was. Arrived back at her place at 2:00 and was told it would be another 5 minutes. She said she could call me back or meet in at the door of the building when she is ready. I said she could call me back. 2:15 rolls around and no call.

Jessikaxxx has many positive attributes aka assets, but time management is not one. Every time I've met up with her it was at least a 2 - 3 hour delay on her part. There were other times I just could not wait.

Asked to see her on short notice, ended up being delays and confusion, but no worries.

Saw Jessika was posting on CL for a Special last night and decided to pay her a visit upon all the positive reviews on Perb.

It took a while for her to get ready but it worth all the time I spent waiting.

Well I just got back from a lovely 2hr drive through rush hour. This thread isn't meant to be some kind of negative review or anything, but simply informative to others.

Jessikaxxx and I had a 4pm appointment. I was to call her between 330 and 345 for specific directions to her place. When I was nearly downtown I called her at 335...no answer. I then called at 340, 345...no answer. I parked downtown and tried a few more times until at 410 I gave up and drove home. I was willing to deal with the traffic knowing that there was a bonus for me downtown, but with that out of the picture it made for a crap afternoon.

As this is a review............. prospective suitors be warned Jessikaxxx likes to get up late and she loves to take her time to get ready(it's worth it) LOL she runs late so you better have a flexable time line and plan a hang out plan I watched TV in my truck while I waited(lots of stuff to do around her place)Heads up given!

As I said in my review there could be possible issues for you strict time liners out there.....yes she can be hard to get a hold of.......... yes she can run late....... yes she can be unreliable...Yes she might not get back to you right away...... and she is definatly not for "purist" I did experince delays seeing her but I can handle them I have a flexable time frame.

Valium, do you have any knowledge or experience in regards to booking/ screening/ marketing/ price trends/ sales/ service levels,/ fair and competitive pricing / or any other factors relevant to this thread?

...No, you don't.

Yes i do, more than you might expect. No i'm not going to provide references.

I also have extensive knowledge from the clients perspective which you do not. If you check you will see that the majority of my comments come from the clients perspective, thus i am qualified to make such comments.