How Do YOU Feel About the Watering Down of COCKtails

[Sandi Laine]

Gentlemen,

We all know that sometimes when something looks too good to be true, (low rates, hotter than fucking hot pictures and whatever the other sales tactics are)..well need I say more.

Most of you do your research, bravo and good for you to educate yourself in order to make an informed decision about where your hard earned dollars are spent. I hate hearing about gentlemen, getting ripped off, it makes the industry, me and all the other really great ladies too, look terrible.

I was having a conversation with another lady fron Perb this evening we discussed how the business has become watered down with fake ads and unprofessionals. Buyer beware, be safe and cautious. We owe it to each other to help keep everyone safe. I am pretty sure in a wild and round about way we probably all have been with one and other without even knowing it, or maybe just didn't think about it that way....hmmm wouldn't that be a huge PARTY one time?!!

Seriously though, what you see is what you get with "OUR", group.

Even if I am not what you are seeking for in an SP, I am happy to make recomendations to what you may be looking for, as I have been to the "events" planned by other ladies. No, I am not a pimp, just a happy hooker.

My thoughts tonight.

Sandi


This is me in the picture!!!

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Actually this more me, thank you.

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[Krustee]

Seriously though, what you see is what you get with "OUR", group.

Even if I am not what you are seeking for in an SP, I am happy to make recomendations to what your may be looking for, as I have been to the "events" planned by other ladies. No I am not a pimp, just a happy hooker.

My thoughts tonight.

Sandi

Actually this more me, thank you.

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Good post ...
now go to bed!

 

[myselftheother]

God , you're hot Sandi....gotta save those pennies.

 

[spicdick]

Yes , some watered down drinks on market for sure.
You looks wonderful , but whats rate?
Many asians just as sexy and pretty and not watered down for $.4 > 45 min.
So why we pay double ?
Maybe times for white girls to compete instead of accusing of watered down drinks.

 

[Krustee]

Yes , some watered down drinks on market for sure.
You looks wonderful , but whats rate?
Many asians just as sexy and pretty and not watered down for $.4 > 45 min.
So why we pay double ?
Maybe times for white girls to compete instead of accusing of watered down drinks.

I think you missed her point spic.
Sandi & her crew provide a service that few others in this biz can compare with.

So if it is product from China you wanna buy, go to Wal-Mart.

If you want something more erotic, upscale & professional call Sandi & her hedonistic harem.

 

[SFMIKE]

I think Spicdick has a valid point.

Though SL did not come right out and say it, I got the feeling she was attempting to diss the lower priced Asian SP's. Unless she has enjoyed a few sessions with some of these little ladies, she is in no position to call their services "watered down".

There are all types of pooners with different tastes. There are those who value shop, those who seek only Asian providers, and those who seek the higher priced providers either because they prefer them or they believe the the higher price guarantees them a better experience. A recent review was from a guy who went to see a lady (an agency, I believe) for $320. No DATY, no kissing and no BBBJ; poor guy came away from that mumbling "Where's the beef". Can't blame him.

What SL either fails to realize or will not admit, these Asian SP's are not competing in price against her, but against other Asian SP's. But, to call their service "watered down" is hardly fact. Almost all my pooning experiences have been with Asian ladies because my sessions with Caucasiaqn providers left me feeling like something was missing. Too superficial.

I am at the point if I were offered a session with one of these ladies at the price competitive with Asian SP's I would turn it down. I know what I like and I ain't going to change.

In fact, she and her "crew" (Krustee's word, not mine) should consider themselves lucky that in Vancouver the only real Asian competition is either Chinese or Korean. There is an occasional Japanese or other, but often they are not as advertised. If the pooning gods were to suddenly wave their magic wand and there were as many Vietnamese providers as Chinese and Korean, then things would get really interesting. Then SL and crew would really feel the heat.

Unfortunately, Vietnamese SP's do not exist in Vancouver, but if it were to happen, what a treat the guys wouly be in for and maybe it would encourage some of the ladies on here to think about becoming more competitive, both in price and services. And, I intentionally said services, because there is nothing "watered down" about the Asian SP's I am familiar with.

Sure, there are some very good Asian SP's and some not so good ones, but we have a system for weeding out the bads ones. It is called PERB, eh?

 

[FortunateOne]

I agree that SL and other white sps do not compete in any way with Asian sps. They have completely different markets, and for the clients who prefer to see an SL, etc they are the sort who simply prefer to see the lady in the ad, alone (not seeing a few pair of shoes at the front door), and are willing to pay an extra 100 for that. For many clients, a list of abbreviations is not what they are looking for, and conversation is far more important (impossible with english non-existent).

I think what SL is saying is that for those who think that this is a special treat for themselves, and just any available female is not enough, why defend the use of fake pics, bait&switch, etc unless you are defending it for everyone (white and asian). It is either an acceptable for the bonus of lower rates or it isn't. For some clients and sps, it simply is not acceptable. Whether you get a bbbj from an sp who is not the one you booked with or a cbj from someone who uses real pics, why is one acceptable and the other denotes "bad" service?

 

[Small pleasures]

I think Spicdick has a valid point.

Though SL did not come right out and say it, I got the feeling she was attempting to diss the lower priced Asian SP's.

Nope. I don't think that was what she meant at all. The white vs. asian argument has been beaten to death on Perb and I implore everyone to not beat that dead horse in this thread.

I suspect what SL meant (and she may well clarify anyway) is that she and her posse offer services that go above and beyond on many levels. I have seen Sandi, Kristy, VV, Dr. V, Adriana, Sexy Nina Leone and JessikaXXX in action...plus they are all super-well reviewed. There is no doubt that they are sexually talented and provide an incredible service. They make damn sure the client is satisfied, blown away usually, on every level.

There are ladies out there who give the minimum amount of effort or in one way or another don't give you good value for your money...B&S, fake pics, clock watchers, hate sex and are just doing it for the money, lie there like a starfish, etc. etc. YOU FIND THESE LADIES IN ANY GENDER OR PRICE RANGE.

Sandi was maybe feeling frustrated that these ladies give ALL escorts a bad name and/or take clients who could have otherwise spent their money on a better escort.

 

[hawkervac]

sandi's pic

nice nails sandi

 

[visiting]

I think Spicdick has a valid point.

Though SL did not come right out and say it, I got the feeling she was attempting to diss the lower priced Asian SP's

SFMike, you need to open your house windows a little, let fresh air in, and breathe some of that fresh air, just a little.... Sandi in no way whatsoever said anything about Asian's.

Her rant was not about 1 girl, it was about all those ladies that use fake pictures, or gimmicks, and don't provide the service they advertise, as simple as that. Sandi does go on to say how happy she is that Perb can help out the guys find the gem's.....

Sandi even goes on to mention she knows she is not everyone's type, and that she is....."happy to make recommendations" when she can....

Dam she does have a great "Pussy Possi"

 

[smackyo]

the thing i don't get is, and its been repeated here time and again, is if the $300+ group doesn't compete with the CL asians, why do they (not all of them mind you) throw these shots out at them from time to time? they are quick to point any perceived negatives in the asain service, "bunch of shoes at the door, what # were you for her today, sexual exploitation." and other weak arguments, then show their services in a positive light like their shit doesn't stink.

i guess in the end the author of the thread knows exactly what she meant when starting the thread but to be honest, i took it the same way sfmike did. i mean it seems pretty obvious. so again if these ladies don't compete against the asians on CL like they say they don't "different service, different experience" and all that stuff, why do they bother trying to persuade us?

is it because construction is drying up and pretty soon all the migrant workers brought here to work on olympic projects will be gone and a lot of us will have to get back to reality? times are tough, thankfully i'm still working but i've been tightening my belt and i haven't seen an sp for a very long time now. at this point in life i'm not even budgeting to see an sp at $120, let alone $300+.

don't get me wrong here, charge whatever the heck you want, "everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it." i'm also not saying drop your prices to $120, what i am saying is compete. there are some advertisers on this forum that charge a little more then what the korean girls charge and based on their numerous reviews, they offer a great experience, if times were better, i'd consider seeing one of these lovely ladies.

to conclude this long reply, i believe what you offer us guys really is priceless, while ideally sex should be a non monetary exchange of feelings and mutual physical satisfaction between any two people, that option doesn't always exist so to get the monkey off our back its great to have you ladies around. i'm sure that if i and the majority of men on this board had thousands of dollars to throw around, you'd get more then the $300+ you advertise for, unfortunately that is not the reality.

best of luck to everyone out there that is struggling right now.

 

[SFMIKE]

Smackyo: If you had not beaten me to it, I would have said just about the same thing.

Let me just add a footnote; Unless SL has experienced this watered down service she has written about, she is in no position to make that judgement. Only the males customers on PERB can be judge and jury on that issue.

 

[FortunateOne]

Smackyo: If you had not beaten me to it, I would have said just about the same thing.

Let me just add a footnote; Unless SL has experienced this watered down service she has written about, she is in no position to make that judgement. Only the males customers on PERB can be judge and jury on that issue.

And I would add, that until or unless the ones who are so sure the services cannot be obtained from the likes of SL and similar sps, then making sweeping statements about 300+ sps is judgemental without facts. I see a lot of posts about how clients have been burned, so they see the other options. Few if any of the complainers ever use the reviews to book appts with reputable sps at these higher rates, but want to convince everyone else that they "know" what they are talking about. They don't. When I see review after review of VV, SL, SNL, BA, Jxxx, Nikki-Amore, etc etc etc all going over time, all going above and beyond the expectations, all providing exceptional services and exceptional experiences, all in a private and intimate environment, that is when I question the motivations of such "information".

 

[SFMIKE]

And I would add, that until or unless the ones who are so sure the services cannot be obtained from the likes of SL and similar sps, then making sweeping statements about 300+ sps is judgemental without facts. I see a lot of posts about how clients have been burned, so they see the other options. Few if any of the complainers ever use the reviews to book appts with reputable sps at these higher rates, but want to convince everyone else that they "know" what they are talking about. They don't. When I see review after review of VV, SL, SNL, BA, Jxxx, Nikki-Amore, etc etc etc all going over time, all going above and beyond the expectations, all providing exceptional services and exceptional experiences, all in a private and intimate environment, that is when I question the motivations of such "information".

ALL of these "ALL's" that you have stressed, I cannot debate because I have no experience with any of your mentioned ladies. But, the experiences I have had with one particular Asian lady over the last 10 months would necessitate that I include her in your list for you. Now considering that she asks only $150/session, would that make her 2 x ALL?

And, her service being watered down? Impossible, because I always come away intoxicated in a very special sort of way.

So, we will have to agree to disagree on this topic, but in the long run I feel I will come away with a whole lot more cash in my pocket for the same services. I will not dare say better services because that would only serve to stir the nest that much more.

 

[wilde]

Seriously though, what you see is what you get with "OUR", group.

I think some members are having issues with the "OUR" group comment.

1) Who exactly is your group?
2) Your group never have a bad day and give poor service?
3) None of your group use fake pictures?
4) As for recommendations, if someone wanted a referral in the $150 range, can you do that?

Personally, I have no issues with what you said other than the fact that it smells like some sort of union propaganda.

.

 

[smackyo]

you said:
I have had with one particular Asian lady over the last 10 months would necessitate that I include her in your list for you. Now considering that she asks only $150/session,

here we go again. this is the type of comment i was talking about. so instead lets pay $300 or more so that you can keep the whole $300.

believe it or not, there are some asian ladies that do work independently that do charge between $120 and $200. its not all sexual exploitation and slavery, some of these ladies just know how to compete and perhaps don't have a lot of the same decedent tastes as some women in this biz, not you in particular cause i don't know you or your tastes.

so if you don't compete with these ladies like a lot of you ladies say, then why even make that statement?

 

[SFMIKE]

you said:
I have had with one particular Asian lady over the last 10 months would necessitate that I include her in your list for you. Now considering that she asks only $150/session,

Since you are so curiouse (sic) I will tell you. She keeps all of it because she is at her own place (cleaver idea, eh?). She has a roommate whom she will not allow me to meet as she knows a good thing when she sees one. I am that good thing in that she charges $150 but I insist she is worth more. And I give her much more. No doubt this accounts for the level of service I receive from her.

Perhaps I should give her $300 since she deserves to be in the same league which most of you feel she is so unworthy of.

Even at $150 per session, this is big money to her considering where she comes from. How many of this so-called group of ladies is helping out family with their earnings?

She does not spend tons of money on the nonessentials others consider essentials. In fact, she drives a 7 year old economy car and allows herself only a few luxuries. In my opinion she is in this business for all the right reasons, if there is such a thing. And, to put your mind at ease. She has no keeper. Quite an independent little spirit and travels frequently to the US, so forget your theories about how she is being trafficked and forced into some kind of sex slavery.

It isn't so.

 

[FortunateOne]

ALL of these "ALL's" that you have stressed, I cannot debate because I have no experience with any of your mentioned ladies.

I know that, that is exactly my point. And yet you feel that even tho you have no direct experiences with such sps you can complain about their services, rates, and attitude. You also believe that rate is a reflection of other things, implying that the sp who charges more is a spendthrift, a time waster, someone who does not work hard, or save their $ or lives too high scale, spending more than they need to for their accommodations. I have seen enough reviewers comment on the relative class of the apt for the incall (i.e. basement suite in Surrey vs penthouse in Yaletown) so obviously it makes a huge difference when sp's spend more on their incall. It speaks to client's feeling of personal safety if nothing else, and is also a reflection on reputation and professionalism of the sp. When no one mentions their surroundings in a review, then I will change my mind lol.

Again you concur with my assumption that lower rates mean shared space: she has a roommate, and shares her space with someone else. Sps with higher rates can guarantee there is no one else around during your appt. Can your lower rate ATF say the same?

 

[SFMIKE]

I was speaking of only one provider. You have read way, way too much into what I wrote.

While I have not attacked these ladies, you continue to defend them.

Bottom line is, I will never know any of them because they are of no interest to me.

That does not make them good or bad. It also does not make me good or bad.

 

[smackyo]

Again you concur with my assumption that lower rates mean shared space: she has a roommate, and shares her space with someone else. Sps with higher rates can guarantee there is no one else around during your appt. Can your lower rate ATF say the same?

and you don't compete with asian sp's right?

most times i've heard of the place being mentioned is just based on their cleanliness, the location has rarely mattered.