I personally would never consider ever bringing in food from another place to even a coffee house. I would never be that rude. I would buy coffee and find a bench somewhere to eat my chips and drink my coffee at. I guess everyone has a different way of looking at things.
outside food at a waves coffee?
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It is funny. I haven't done it to my recollection, largely because it wouldn't have occurred to me to do it. On the other hand, I've never noticed it either. I'm sure it happens all the time, but for me it's of zero consequence. Doesn't even register on the radar. Before this conversation I wouldn't have given it a thought.
Now I know that it's harsh, cruel, rude and profane. I think I'd enjoy that. I think I've got a new hobby!
I belive that coffee shops, restaurants and cafe's don't accept outside food in their establishments because it's a liabitity issue. What if you take a Wendy's burger into Burger King, order their fries,etc...sit down to eat and found a foriegn object in the Wendy's burger? You choke to death on whatever it is, then who's fault is it that you died eating that burger? Burger King's? Is it Wendy's? Is BK liable for letting you eat and die from consuming an outside product on their premeis? Is Wendy's?
That's the main reason they don't want you eating outside food, other than $$$$
That's the main reason they don't want you eating outside food, other than $$$$
What if I have a knife in my back pocket, walk into BK, buy some food, sit down, and my knife stabs me in the ass? Can I sue BK?
Using the same logic, you couldn't bring in ANY product into the restaurant because somehow the restaurant owner would adopt liability for it. We'd all have to go naked into restaurants, and considering the typical BK customer, I think that would not be a good thing.
Don't be an ass....I was being serious. It's a liability thing that has to do with having control of food safety, quality control, and knowing that what you are serving in your restaurant is safe for your customers to eat. If outside food is being consumed in your restaurant, and there is something wrong with that outside food and someone gets sick, or chokes on a hair or whatever, it's out of the proprietor's control....What if I have a knife in my back pocket, walk into BK, buy some food, sit down, and my knife stabs me in the ass? Can I sue BK?
Using the same logic, you couldn't bring in ANY product into the restaurant because somehow the restaurant owner would adopt liability for it. We'd all have to go naked into restaurants, and considering the typical BK customer, I think that would not be a good thing.
And, what kinda boob would carry a knife that would stab himself in the ass in his back pocket? Is that from personal experience?
Was just trying to add a little humor to trouncing your argument, to soften the blow.
Your argument makes no sense. Why would one store owner become responsible for someone else's product, just because a customer brought it into their establishment? If that were true, you could apply that logic to any product, not just food, and a store owner would be unable to allow you to bring in ANYTHING for fear of being liable.
That's just it...you are liable for whatever comes into your establishment. You're responsible for everything from the food being safe, the employees not hurting themselves while working, the ceiling not caving in....everything.
Anything that enters your place then becomes your responsibility....that's jsut how it works. It might not be logical to you, but that's how it works in the service industry.
Just like if you have people over at your place and you're serving drinks....well, you just served a few cocktails not thinking that just a few drinks, no one's getting wasted...meanwhile, Bob and his buddies just gargled down a 40 ouncer of Jack, and attempt to drive home, killing everyone in the car they hit, as well as a few of Jack's pals in the car. You're responsible because it was your party they were at, it was at your party they got fucking smashed and drove drunk...and killed a few folks. Same thing.
Anyway, like it or not, that's how it works. Shitty deal, but that's how it goes.
So, what's the difference between bringing in outside food or bringing in outside anything (clothes, keys, wallet, etc...)?
If you don't allow outside food then you shouldn't allow anything from outside either. It's the same liability risk.
Bottom line. The owner of the establishment can manage his business which ever way he/she wants whether the client likes it or not.
If the owner was hurting for business he/she would have maybe let it go. It's a discretionary judgement call. I wonder if LAG purchased a sandwich and latte totalling over $10 would she have stilled made a fuss?
Having worked for Dad's retail store during my youth ...I would say "It's not a fucken lunch room or foodcourt". It's starts setting up a trend where people will bring their own pic nic basket of goodies
If the owner was hurting for business he/she would have maybe let it go. It's a discretionary judgement call. I wonder if LAG purchased a sandwich and latte totalling over $10 would she have stilled made a fuss?
Having worked for Dad's retail store during my youth ...I would say "It's not a fucken lunch room or foodcourt". It's starts setting up a trend where people will bring their own pic nic basket of goodies
You're not eating your clothes....and it's not the same liability risk. That's apples and oranges. Your argument is totally off the mark...and if you can't figure out the difference, it's a wonder you can get the right shoes on the right feet.
A product (food or otherwise) made by someone else is exactly the same thing.
We are down to just "yes, it is" and "no, it isn't", and if you are down to just name calling then I will consider you out of ammo.
Game over.
That's the only good argument I've heard. The owner is free to deny service to anyone they please for any reason. (Well, except for race, religion, sex, etc...)Bottom line. The owner of the establishment can manage his business which ever way he/she wants whether the client likes it or not.
If the owner was hurting for business he/she would have maybe let it go. It's a discretionary judgement call. I wonder if LAG purchased a sandwich and latte totalling over $10 would she have stilled made a fuss?
Having worked for Dad's retail store during my youth ...I would say "It's not a fucken lunch room or foodcourt". It's starts setting up a trend where people will bring their own pic nic basket of goodies
I would consider it unwise, as a potential decline in profit, but clearly others would consider the profit risk to be on the other side of the equation. The true long-term financial impact would be very difficult to test with so many outside parameters influencing the outcome.
Maybe she just doesn't like you and it had nothing to do with the chips.
There are plenty of other options by metrotown, just take your business elsewhere if they don't want it.It would be interesting if we got a group of 20 or 30 pooners and all brought in our own snacks and ordered a coffee.
Would she tell us all to leave?Well, guess what...it isn't. When it comes down to food services it's different from just anything. Food safety is paramount to any restaurant owner and if it isn't then they ought to not be in business.
So allow me to ask you...what is it then that makes anything you bring into a restaurant exactly the same thing (realistically) as bringing in foreign foodstuffs to consume that's not being regulated by the staff? Bars don't let you in with your own beer, why should a restaurant? I understand where you're coming from but it's just not based in the real world.
Sure, we all could just order out and avoid this whole situation.
Btw, I haven't called you anything, yet....just commented on your possible tilted logic. And the fact that you're hanging the bait out for me to bite, well I'll bite....but this is not an argument anymore. Not out of ammo...just bored of it now.
We are talking about the difference between permission and legality. A bar won't let you bring in outside drinks because they want to make more money. That doesn't imply anything about legal culpability. I've got other posts here about profit if you want to go around-and-around on that one.
Let me give an example: I get a Wendy's hamburger, walk over to DQ, sit down and start eating. The nail concealed within the burger drives through the roof of my mouth, into my brain, and kills me. (I bite down hard) What judge in their right mind is going to hold DQ responsible, and let Wendy's go scott-free, for killing me?
If simple presence within an establishment indicates responsibility, then any business could make itself invulnerable to responsibility simply by providing nowhere for customers to sit down. (Like a coffee stand or hot-dog vendor)
If you can come up with a local statute or precedent from an official source, or I'd even settle for a news article from a reliable source where a business was held legally responsible for a problem with outside food in a court of law, then I will say "Okay, I was wrong" and happily let it drop. It's not possible for me to prove the absence of a law. Until then, we could just go around and around with "Yup" and "Nope" and, as you said, it's getting rather boring.
And so far you have called me an ass, and implied stupidity with your shoe comment. Don't try to escape responsibility for your insults. You aren't a restaurant.
Never called you an ass... just suggested not to be one, and whatever message you took away from my shoe comment may be a reflection of something unresolved....truly, I don't care much anymore, either way. G'night...We are talking about the difference between permission and legality. A bar won't let you bring in outside drinks because they want to make more money. That doesn't imply anything about legal culpability. I've got other posts here about profit if you want to go around-and-around on that one.
Let me give an example: I get a Wendy's hamburger, walk over to DQ, sit down and start eating. The nail concealed within the burger drives through the roof of my mouth, into my brain, and kills me. (I bite down hard) What judge in their right mind is going to hold DQ responsible, and let Wendy's go scott-free, for killing me?
If simple presence within an establishment indicates responsibility, then any business could make itself invulnerable to responsibility simply by providing nowhere for customers to sit down. (Like a coffee stand or hot-dog vendor)
If you can come up with a local statute or precedent from an official source, or I'd even settle for a news article from a reliable source where a business was held legally responsible for a problem with outside food in a court of law, then I will say "Okay, I was wrong" and happily let it drop. It's not possible for me to prove the absence of a law. Until then, we could just go around and around with "Yup" and "Nope" and, as you said, it's getting rather boring.
And so far you have called me an ass, and implied stupidity with your shoe comment. Don't try to escape responsibility for your insults. You aren't a restaurant.
Glad you recognize when you've been beat. Keep working on those passive-aggressive jokes/insults. You'll be funny someday!
Later!
