Is posting reviews a bad idea?
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i have mixed feelings about reviews actually.
i think there just bragging rights, and well advertizing for the lady.
which is fine, but im pretty much beyond bragging rights. and as well as useful information, not much so. especially on a board such as this,
my opinion you pretty much have to put your money down, to find out about a lady.
i believe i can have pretty much have a nice session with any lady, its not the issue. its just i don't have unlimited time and resources and since im paying, and the ladies put a dollar value on there worth, i might as well i maxmize my return.
and i honestly don't know what i want from a lady until i meet her, and i get comfortable. so a review is useless to me.
i mean i was seeing this lady, and we fell into a supper date routine it was a very nice time, it was just the way it developed and what i wanted from her.
another lady the last thing i wanted from her was supper, i fell into the routine of pillow talk and massaging her back looking deep into her eyes, and untill she told me she was horny and enough of this,
another lady it was whip cream and jiggles.
the point im trying to make is every lady affects me in a different way, her style her personality, and i want sometihing different from each lady i see.
so some one elses review is useless to me. except to confirm she is legit.
in a sense i have sympathy for protecting a hidden gem, and keeping her to myself,
but for the ladies its a busnissness. i once shook my head at a lady the way she conducted her busnisseess, but its a busnissess that takes its toll.
and i think every lady approaches it with a different goal and emtional make up,
and i think as a guy in this hobby, we should enjoy what a lady has to offer, respect her for it, but at the same time realize its only a temporay thing, and things change. and what a lady wants to take away from this hobby, is quite different then what we want
at the end of the day, we pretty much have to play by the ladies rules
even i think if its not in our own best interest, or evn if it makes no sense to us.
i think there just bragging rights, and well advertizing for the lady.
which is fine, but im pretty much beyond bragging rights. and as well as useful information, not much so. especially on a board such as this,
my opinion you pretty much have to put your money down, to find out about a lady.
i believe i can have pretty much have a nice session with any lady, its not the issue. its just i don't have unlimited time and resources and since im paying, and the ladies put a dollar value on there worth, i might as well i maxmize my return.
and i honestly don't know what i want from a lady until i meet her, and i get comfortable. so a review is useless to me.
i mean i was seeing this lady, and we fell into a supper date routine it was a very nice time, it was just the way it developed and what i wanted from her.
another lady the last thing i wanted from her was supper, i fell into the routine of pillow talk and massaging her back looking deep into her eyes, and untill she told me she was horny and enough of this,
another lady it was whip cream and jiggles.
the point im trying to make is every lady affects me in a different way, her style her personality, and i want sometihing different from each lady i see.
so some one elses review is useless to me. except to confirm she is legit.
in a sense i have sympathy for protecting a hidden gem, and keeping her to myself,
but for the ladies its a busnissness. i once shook my head at a lady the way she conducted her busnisseess, but its a busnissess that takes its toll.
and i think every lady approaches it with a different goal and emtional make up,
and i think as a guy in this hobby, we should enjoy what a lady has to offer, respect her for it, but at the same time realize its only a temporay thing, and things change. and what a lady wants to take away from this hobby, is quite different then what we want
at the end of the day, we pretty much have to play by the ladies rules
even i think if its not in our own best interest, or evn if it makes no sense to us.
I think we should resist the urge to cock-block (or hiding gems). You can't see a gem enough number of times in a month to make her living comfortable (as in, compensate for income she'd get if she saw other clients as well). If you hide her, she might just find another job and leave this profession altogether. There, you blocked your own cock.
Besides, I don't think it's ultra-hard to book with any SP (even if she is very very well reviewed). I suspect gems get a lot of business when they are initially revealed. Everyone's excited and wants to try her out. But then, not everyone connects or likes her (ymmv thing) and after the initial spike, demand goes down and stabilizes, and she sees similar number of clients a day as anyone else. She is now as easy (or hard) to book as any other SP. Some will be (slightly) busier than others but, in my opinion, all will have time to see you. Nobody is going to have an advanced booking that long that you will end up aging and dying before getting to see her.
Besides, I don't think it's ultra-hard to book with any SP (even if she is very very well reviewed). I suspect gems get a lot of business when they are initially revealed. Everyone's excited and wants to try her out. But then, not everyone connects or likes her (ymmv thing) and after the initial spike, demand goes down and stabilizes, and she sees similar number of clients a day as anyone else. She is now as easy (or hard) to book as any other SP. Some will be (slightly) busier than others but, in my opinion, all will have time to see you. Nobody is going to have an advanced booking that long that you will end up aging and dying before getting to see her.
It's a valid point, perhaps, though i'd say only in rare cases, because gems
are generally much sought after. And after men find them they want to
keep them rather than toss them out onto the busy street {as in posting
reviews about them}. But if she is not mentally challenged and able to place
some ads, she should have plenty of business. OTOH if you know she is
struggling, which you should if you care about her at all, by all means go
ahead and PM some PERB members or tell your buddies.
Maybe not, just very hard a lot of the time ; Damn lurkers.
Since 2 people have now come on and told you it is not difficult if you plan ahead, yet you still claim you cannot get an appt with particular sps when you want to see them. What exactly is it you do to book appointments that makes it so damn hard?
And keep in mind that you might be on a universal black list, or her personal bad date list, which will make it impossible.
Shocking but true: 100% of caucasian SPs are bitchy princesses who think they are God's gift to men.
See you can make up any statistics you want when you just pull them out of your ass. Or do you have facts to back up your claim of truth?
In my opinion many clients do know about and use review boards. I would guess at least 40% for independent SP clients and 50%-70% for micro clients. As i said this is my best guess since there is no way to accurately measure the percentage of clients who use review boards.
Obviously you have never tried to make an appointment with a very well reviewed SP.
Planning ahead works sometimes but many independent SPs cannot manage their schedule to save their lives and with micros advance appointments usually mean nothing as their mentality is first payed, first served.Consider that the pooner to SP ratio is 10:1 (a very conservative estimate in my opinion). Now we know there are hundreds of lurkers on this one review board, if you doubt me look at the number of views vs the number of posts on most threads. In the case of the more popular SPs the number of views gets into the 10,000s!
Factoring in all this info means you could be competing with 10 to 100 guys to get that appointment you claim is so easy. Just one single point here. To give an example, one number i called
multiple times was always busy. So i was never able to get to step
{A} being able to talk to someone, let alone step {B} attempting to
set up an appointment.
Yesterday i read in the review section of a guy who had the same
problem with the same SP. BTW he ended up taking a chance on
someone not reviewed because his entire list of reviewed SP's that
he had spent time researching and called were all not answering
the phone. The end result was he wasted time {= $} trying to
contact all those SP's and money on the WOT SP that he did see.
Nothing you say here indicates to me that these 2 sps were unable to answer your call due to their extreme busyness as a result of a review.
You got a busy signal type of busy? With voice mail, etc, that sounds like there was something wrong with the phone, as most phones these days go to voice mail, not give a busy signal.
With the other one, did you at any time leave a message? Call from an unblocked number? Did it ring continuously with no voice mail whatsoever? If so, that also sounds like a phone problem. Did you email either one, in the case where these were CL ads, or ads with addresses?
Do you expect that she will answer her phone while in an appt, or that she is incapable of returning a message? Do you know for sure that your number shows up on call display, because if it does not, then that would be the number one reason you don't get thru. Also, just because you are ready for the sp, doesn't mean she is available that day for a variety of reasons.
As a new caller, you might get lumped in with the very many possible waste of time callers that she receives in any given day, so be prepared to work a little harder to get a piece of her time. Any business person is going to believe in a regular customer over a newcomer if they have been burned before by no shows, etc.
You were able to book an appt with Missy, so clearly there is a method that she uses that also worked for you.
Also a bit confused as to how spending time making phone calls actually results in a loss of $$ for your friend. Did he honestly think it is as simple as making a call and book a time? There are some indy sps who book only by email, with a minimum of one weeks notice. I'm just a bit tired of hearing complaints when the person complaining doesn't do anything to change how they approach the problem. (and I don't mean "stop reviewing so she's not so busy" lol" Solutions: Call early, unblock your #, use a little common sense, leave a fricking message)
I have pretty much always been fairly busy. After my few good reviews, I had a flurry where too many people wanted to see me all on the same day. I was turning people down all over the place, lol. However, phoning me has always been a hit or miss. (I don't answer my phone when I don't feel like working, when I'm in session, out for dinner, etc) Email is so much more effective for prebooking. I don't know how other girls or micros handle their business, but before my website, I wrote everything down. Now I schedule it in my calendar on my website. I have an out of town regular that books 3 weeks in advance. He doesn't have to, he just does. He always has from the very first appointment. He always gets to see me when he wants. I have another regular that phones from 15 min away and says "can I come over?" I don't know what he does when I don't answer, which is quite often. (heaven forbid he goes somewhere else )
I have another regular that phones from 15 min away and says "can I come over?" I don't know what he does when I don't answer, which is quite often. (heaven forbid he goes somewhere else )
As for returning messages, I never do that.
Ok funny story here, lol.
I had this client once, we had fun. He called me the next day, left a message, saying to call him back, if he didn't answer, it was ok to leave a message. I did, I left a very pleasant, non sexual message. Later that day, my phone rings, some woman is crying, screaming, demanding, where I know her husband from. She stalked me for weeks, with me saying, I'm terribly sorry, I never even met your husband. Anyhooo, I don't return messages unless you are a regular and I know no hurt wife is going to phone me.
Ok funny story here, lol.
I had this client once, we had fun. He called me the next day, left a message, saying to call him back, if he didn't answer, it was ok to leave a message. I did, I left a very pleasant, non sexual message. Later that day, my phone rings, some woman is crying, screaming, demanding, where I know her husband from. She stalked me for weeks, with me saying, I'm terribly sorry, I never even met your husband. Anyhooo, I don't return messages unless you are a regular and I know no hurt wife is going to phone me.
You could simply ask the sps you see. Someone who advertises primarily on review boards is going to see members. Someone who advertises only in the Buy & Sell or GS will no doubt see the majority of clients who do not own a computer. It isn't really that difficult to "estimate". There are a few who only advertise in the BS & GS for example, do not use CL, do not get reviewed at all, yet obviously see enough people to continue paying for their ads.Shocking but true: 100% of caucasian SPs are bitchy princesses who think they are God's gift to men.
See you can make up any statistics you want when you just pull them out of your ass. Or do you have facts to back up your claim of truth?
In my opinion many clients do know about and use review boards. I would guess at least 40% for independent SP clients and 50%-70% for micro clients. As i said this is my best guess since there is no way to accurately measure the percentage of clients who use review boards.
Obviously you have never tried to make an appointment with a very well reviewed SP.
Consider that the pooner to SP ratio is 10:1 (a very conservative estimate in my opinion). Now we know there are hundreds of lurkers on this one review board, if you doubt me look at the number of views vs the number of posts on most threads. In the case of the more popular SPs the number of views gets into the 10,000s!
If you frequently see micro girls, the majority of their clients come from a variety of places: CL yes, but also chinese papers, Buy&Sell, etc. If you book with indys, or try to, they don't see ten guys a day. You have to book ahead, or take your chances. Someone who sees 2 guys a day, travels a lot, has a limited schedule of only a couple of days a week, well I guess all the "perb princes" out there have to get over themselves, and stop thinking that she is patiently waiting at the phone just for your call. Plan ahead. Or consider the idea that it's not her, it's you: if you are not a good client, she will never be "available" for you. Frankly the way some of you behave I can imagine there is an extremely long list of perb handles on many sp's "do not see" lists.
Most posts view counts are elevated by the same people coming on over and over again to view the new posts. I would bet most posters in this thread and many readers have "viewed" it at least a dozen times each.
GS and Chinese Buy&Sell are also online. Your point is valid, some SPs advertise in print only, however that does not mean their clients are not members of a review board. I have seen girls that do not advertise online and i'm sure many other perb members have also. If i choose to post a glowing review of a SP who does not advertise online guess what will happen? She will be overwhelmed with perb members.
The SPs do not even know how many of their clients are members of a review board because many pooners would not admit to it even if asked.
That is the point of this thread. If you post a positive review of a SP who only takes a few appointments per day clearly you are limiting your chances to see her again. You seem to think it's easy to get an appointment with any SP but if you had actually tried to make an appointment with a very well reviewed SP you would know that it can be futile. Even if you do get an appointment she may be so worn out that the session leads to disappointment. Keep in mind that the majority of guys do not want to see just any SP but usually a specific one and we do not want to book weeks in advance or keep calling her for weeks just to get an appointment. I give them 2 or 3 chances then move on. If they don't want my business they won't get it.
For me it's simple, if i find a great SP who i want to see again i won't post a review here. Why would I? There is no benefit for me to do so and it only hurts my chances to repeat with her.
Nothing you say proves otherwise. Furthermore, in this case, we are
not talking about a single review, but several reviews only recently,
at the very least. And who knows how many reviews at other similar
review sites! And, again, it takes only one vulturing lurker to screw
up an attempt at an appointment. And there are 100's of them out
there, on PERB alone, swarming around, observing what is posted as
a review here.
No.
No. BTW CL ads often ask you to call them. Others say not to use email.
Seldom is there an ad w/o a phone number.
No. There was no message option.
Yes.
No doubt. For example, vultures who contribute no reviews, but prey
upon those who are foolish enough to expose their gems to leeches,
i.e. lurking vultures.
Riiiiight? She automaticly assumes a "new caller" might be a WOT? LOL.
Smart business practice. NOT.
And some of these "regular customers" may be vultures, i.e. those
who contributed no reviews on PERB while lurking and jumping on
top of a gem who was reviewed. Thereby possibly hindering the
contributers of reviews from seeing her.
Clearly. She offers an email type of booking system on her website.
No phone number & no phone reservations.
What i actually said was:
Yesterday i read in the review section of a guy who had the same
problem with the same SP. BTW he ended up taking a chance on
someone not reviewed because his entire list of reviewed SP's that
he had spent time researching and called were all not answering
the phone. The end result was he wasted time {= $} trying to
contact all those SP's and money on the WOT SP that he did see.
These are CL ads. Isn't you who said you can call at 6 p.m. for a 915 p.m.
appointment and you will probably book it? Probably, as in 50.00000001%
or greater chance? If that were true, then there might be almost a 50%
chance of not being able to book. Thank to the vultures, the lurkers.
Then have a nap & cum back when you are a bit less tired ;
I think one of the reasons why some people don't leave reviews (besides obvious urge to cock-block and hide gems etc.) is that they are scared of being caught or leaving online trace/history. What if their wife/or someone they knew, saw there posts? Sure, you keep a handle/nickname but the fear doesn't completely go away.
The other reason why people don't post reviews: well, they should!
The other reason why people don't post reviews: well, they should!
I can't speak for everyone but for me this was basically true.
When I used to list my phone number on Craigslist and/or the Georgia Straight my phone rang off the hook, at all hours and 9 out of 10 calls were a waste of time (WOT). The 1 out of 10 who actually looked at my website to find out some info on me might be a serious booker.
It got really hard to treat every caller like he was a serious potential client when so many were time-wasting tire kickers and I'm sure I made a few mistakes being 'short' with the wrong guys.
Until you walk a mile...
It seems many of these CL ladies have some help to answer the phone
for them & take care of the "garbage disposal". Someone who may also
provide a number of other things for these girls, like security, driver,
cash handler, order/pickup sushi & condoms, etc
With the number i was trying to reach, though, this person may have
already had her booked for the night, so why bother to pick up. After
one or two rings it immediately cut into a message, like this customer
is busy, or something.
I would never have started do this if it had not been for the reviewing communities back on the old asp usenet groups. and I followed the community onto forums once the WWW established itself. I think everyone should review and review openly (good, bad, and indifferent). Without the information from reviews, one is just playing russian roulette.
I used to post all of my reviews here and in my first two to three years in Vancouver posted many reviews on PERB. I still post Vancouver reviews. I just do not post them here.
As I have stated before, PERB is an advertising site not a review site.
JC
I used to post all of my reviews here and in my first two to three years in Vancouver posted many reviews on PERB. I still post Vancouver reviews. I just do not post them here.
As I have stated before, PERB is an advertising site not a review site.
JC
