HK police are better with 'soft' skills from what I've seen, but this isn't to say I haven't seen immigrant cops being the worst perpetrators of this here. Take a walk down Granville on a Fri or Sat night and see what I mean. I would guess it's a culture difference thing.
Police officers training
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Unflinching!?!? I don`t think so. Did you read what I wrote in this post on the King County Sheriff`s Officers who beat up the 15 year old girl. I`m not supporting them.
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=859752&postcount=16
As quickly as possible to secure the suspect thereby suppressing any threats. As safely as possible is a close second consideration. You`re talking about an ideal world that doesn`t exist when confronting some idiot you know nothing about or what weapons he may be carrying and who now decides he`s going to be a tough guy. Do you think they`re going to just pat him on the back and ask him nicely to lay down any weapons he may have, and that he will then comply? Not very likely!
Must`ve been a long time ago. They assess them on various intellectual tests, including a written exam (basic high school grade 12) and a role-playing exam in which they assess emotional, problem solving and practical intelligence in situations that police find themselves every day. The higher they score against the other recruits the better chance they have of advancing to the next level of the recruitment. No I.Q. test is ever given.
I`ve said it before, your infowars source is suspect at best. In the vast majority of cases that tasers have been used all over the world, they have proven to be effective in avoiding an escalating situation. It`s just that most people choose to focus entirely on the .00000008% of cases which resulted in death or paralysis. Anything can happen in any situation and that`s as good as it`s going to get.
How in the world do you know what I do, or have done?Kind of like you.
You see, that`s the kind of statement I`m talking about that people outside the police community presume. Most suspects are assumed to be armed until the police know they are unarmed.
In the vast majority of cases, the suspect is wearing clothes, sometimes heavy clothes with lots of pockets to hide weapons or objects that can be used as weapons. If they were wearing light clothes like jeans and a T-shirt or no clothes at all you`d easily be able to visually and remotely check them. But with more clothes you cannot know what if any weapons they are carrying on their waistband or in their pockets. So you first ask them to keep their hands out of their pockets, show you their hands, search for any weapons (ask first for consent if they haven`t done anything stupid or violent that you know of) etc. But sometimes they refuse to be compliant, or are combatant upon arrival due to heavy cocaine or PCP use, you can`t be sure what they are capable of so you give them a command to stop, get on the ground, spread out their arms and legs, and then they are cuffed and everything can be discussed calmly. If they choose to disobey an order, or pose a threat it means they most likely want to fight with you, or flee the scene thereby posing a further threat to the public. Trying to physically restrain them at this point is NOT something they teach them to do at the academy unless all else fails. It wouldn`t make sense to do so because they already have proven themselves to be non-compliant for the purposes outlined above and most likely will try to hurt you with a weapon they may be hiding, or worse try to disarm you and use it against you.
Now if they were naked and non-compliant that would be a different story.
But the point I`m trying to make is that the officer doesn`t know what he`s carrying so it`s best to err on the side of caution and warn the suspect of the possible use of capsicum spray, baton or taser if he proves to be resistant, and just use it he refuses to listen or is combatant and resistant to begin with. It may be the very slight chance they don`t hear or see you, or don`t understand you, but how often do all three perceptive tools fail them? My guess is never. Yup, they know the officer means business when they get there.I understand what you`re saying, but the difference between the two is that the career criminal has already perpetrated enough damage to society that it`s as if he`s saying, "I don`t care what the consequences are, I`m going to continue doing it." He has set himself on a path to do nothing but damage to society. But a first time offence by a cop, sometimes on the job in stressful situations after a life spent trying to do and promote good? Kind of harsh and scewed your statement, no?
But, maybe you`re right that we place so much trust on these cops as upstanding members of society and when they are caught in a criminal act, you have to question, what other criminal activities has he been involved in that we don`t know about, that he`s covered up or that he simply hasn`t been caught for?
Panther
Something everyone should remember, is that Cops have one of the hardest jobs... and often risk their lives, for their paychecks. They have to protect their own lives, before that of the suspect.
Just like all of you, they have families to go home to... and at the end of the day, they want to go home unharmed. They have to make split second descisions, that looking back may not always be the right ones. Cops are human and will make mistakes.
Using pepper spray to subdue someone isn't always the best idea.. as pepper spray goes everywhere, and will hurt the officer too.
Hey... if you are not breaking the law, then you will not have to worry (and i'm talking about matters more serious than pooning/escorting)
(hehe couldn't resist!)
Just like all of you, they have families to go home to... and at the end of the day, they want to go home unharmed. They have to make split second descisions, that looking back may not always be the right ones. Cops are human and will make mistakes.
Using pepper spray to subdue someone isn't always the best idea.. as pepper spray goes everywhere, and will hurt the officer too.
Hey... if you are not breaking the law, then you will not have to worry
(and i'm talking about matters more serious than pooning/escorting)
(hehe couldn't resist!)
You know Pantherdash, I don't always agree with everything you say, but this post is right on the money. Of course, because cops are in a position of public trust, we expect them to be held to a higher standard of behavior and accountability than the average citizen. The cases of abuse of power, drunk driving, and everything that might fall into the category of "conduct unbecoming" are certainly the exception rather than the rule, but the damage that they do to the public trust is usually out of proportion to the actual incident, simply because cops have to be held to a higher standard.Same response for both posts in most of these cases. These are a few in a million cases where mistakes were made, cop was experiencing burnout, fatigue, stress, etc. How many mistakes go unnoticed in your workplace? A police workplace has very little room for errors and their mistakes are closely monitored and scrutinized to the point that just one error makes them all look bad. Granted there should be a monitoring system in place and a yearly assessment of their mental health is an excellent idea Smackyo. They have to qualify their shooting once a year why not their mental health? But so much is distorted especially by the media and the public when things like this come up that it sickens me.
Those 3 constables who beat up that brown dude outside of the Hyatt however, deserve all the attention they got since they knew better and acted like complete imbeciles while they were drunk. Same as all the officers who have been caught drunk driving one of which killed a 21 year old and tried to leave the scene with his two young kids in tow...he was also one of the YVR 4!
Panther
As a bit of an addendum to your statement about why cops who break the law in Canada tend to get light sentences (ie. because everyone gets ridiculously light sentences in Canada), I actually think those slaps on the wrist directly contribute to cases of cops engaging in unacceptable conduct. By that I don't mean that cops think "oh, I can get away without any real punishment," I mean that cops are frustrated by the fact that the bad guys that they work hard to get off the streets end up right back there thanks to our revolving door justice system. A frustrated person is more likely to make stupid mistakes and overreact to situations than somebody who's satisfied with the way things work. I don't consider it to be any sort of excuse for bad behavior by cops, but it's certainly a factor encouraging it.
Yeah no kidding. It doesn't matter what race a racist remark is aimed at. It's always unacceptable. Racism is the sanctuary of the small-minded.
My infowars source is a UBC cardiologist, if you read the article. Infowars is credible, documented for days.
OMG who cares if pepper spray gets in the air, he'd still be alive. Could have just srpayed him in the face and clubbed him in the leg. Non lethal, a little harsh but everyone is alive. But hey if your "threatened" by a stapler then maybe you shouldnt be a police officer since most bad guys are armed with worse than staplers. I hear staples go through vests!?!?
Clearly you missed my point. If an officer gets pepper spray in THEIR (themselves) eyes... then they will be no good to anyone. The suspect will then run amok, and possibly get away.
My point was THIS: Just like with First Aid.. the number one priority is to protect yourself.
It's not the staples they were worried about, but the device itself. Do you know how much damage a stapler can do when hit hard against the temple? It can cause death. Think before you post, K?
Panther
